Player Discussion Brandon Carlo III

wintersej

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He only had 59 shifts start in the OZone all season. Corsi is not the right stat to use when evaluating either - that's just percentage of shot attempts. You had a change in philosophy from Cassidy (high shot volume strategy) to Montgomery (lower shot volume, higher quality) so you're mixing metaphors when you include that timeframe.

The whole league is shallow at RD. Bruins with their three are far from shallow (assuming a return to normal quality of play by the entire team of course).

I mean even if we limit it to the Monty era, the stats don't really change in that Bergeron drove Carlo's possession rates massively. I don't know how we can all spend 20 years pumping Bergeron's tires and then pretend it doesn't matter. He covered a lot of weaknesses.

But yeah, as I said, possession isn't really the right way to judge Carlo. That ain't his job. Problem is that it's a team with too many guys whose job isn't to drive possession.
 

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Well this whole thing started about Carlo’s deployment. Carlo gets buried more than any defenseman in the entire league. Kesselring has not shown anything close to being the kind of defenseman who can handle that level
Of deployment. Again, regardless of who his father is.
This is rich coming from the guy who said he wouldn't trade Lohrei for Chychrun straight up and told me Lohrei was in the same area code as Faber.
 

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Nice deflection.

I still wouldn’t trade Lohrei for Chychrun.
I think Lohrei is what he is, offensive flair that's learning how to become a defenseman in the NHL. Its not going to work.

I would honestly move him back to forward, he would be more useful
 

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What do you mean by, back to forward?

When was Lohrei a forward?
Up until 17 I believe

He switched to D when he was 14. He's not going back to forward lol.
Lohrei was still a forward, a position he would play until he was 16 and there were multiple injured defensemen on his team at Culver Military Academy in Culver, Indiana, where had chosen to go as a 15-year-old.
 

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Up until 17 I believe


Lohrei was still a forward, a position he would play until he was 16 and there were multiple injured defensemen on his team at Culver Military Academy in Culver, Indiana, where had chosen to go as a 15-year-old.
It was actually 15. So 8 years ago. 8 years as a forward takes him back to cross ice Mites.

So yeah, he's not going to switch back to a forward.
 
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I know this isn't the actual topic, but what the f*** are "cross ice Mites?" And why would a 15-year-old be in a Mites level?
Half ice? 8 years as a forward brings him back to 7 years old. Where he was playing half ice (cross ice in many places especially the Midwest) Mites.
 

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back to carlo - im not saying id trade him but he is one of the trade-able contracts that boston has. sometimes you gotta crack a couple gregs to make a tomlette
 
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I think you have to be careful here. Yes for the first 15-20 seconds of a shift, zone starts matter. But last year Carlo had over 1000 shifts starts on the fly and only a couple hundred in the D zone. It matters, but it’s also easy to overstate since so little of the game is played like that.

I would throw out there that Carlo doesn’t drive possession positively at all and the Corsi difference between the rest of his career and the last season + 10 games can be totally explained by Bergeron going away. Over Bergeron’s last 3 years, Carlo had a Corsi over 60% when Bergeron was out there and under 50 without Bergeron out there. And now in a Bergeron free world…here we are.

It’s also not really his job to drive Corsi or possession in general, but to be a steady Eddie.

Team has too many of those.

But the team is also painfully shallow on RD.

The post I was responding to referenced corsi, so I was attempting to give some context around that. But yes like everything in hockey no stat in itself gives you the full picture. But the basic point made was that the way a player is used, including their zone starts and time, will impact their numbers and performance in other areas. As Carlo has been used more and more in a largely shutdown role by Monty, this is reflected in the stats. His on ice corsi percentage goes down, whereas his xGA has gone up (which BTW is also true of the Bruins as a whole under Monty, even when Bergy was still playing). This, to some extent at least, is only to be expected.

That's not entirely to excuse negative trends, it's just to provide context. Other factors are of course also relevant, one of which you referenced. If Carlo's basic job is to help keep the puck out of the Bruins' net, then he has regressed in that regard over the last year+, especially when considering xGA, but so has the rest of the team. Essentially he's contributing to that regression, with caveats, but no more so than the average.
 

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Maybe we should plant his ass in front of the net on the power play. He is showing a great ability in tipping pucks into the net
Never understood what people see in this player. Would be an OK 3rd pair guy but not top 4 on any team. He can't hit, can't pass, can't shoot, scared to block shots, can't clear the zone, can't box out, what else is there to being a defenceman?
 
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back to carlo - im not saying id trade him but he is one of the trade-able contracts that boston has. sometimes you gotta crack a couple gregs to make a tomlette

Is that a new expression?

Never understood what people see in this player. Would be an OK 3rd pair guy but not top 4 on any team. He can't hit, can't pass, can't shoot, scared to block shots, can't clear the zone, can't box out, what else is there to being a defenceman?

That says a lot.
 

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Just an awful player at this point. No clue why he regressed but we need a right shot with some offense to help the PP and Peake is better.

He should have enough value to return a middle 6 wing can't believe he's still on the team.
 

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He should show some consistency at this point of his career, he doesn't.
Whiffs on clears, prone to Bambi legs when engaging against the boards.
Apparently a really nice human being. Just can't leave that at the door when it comes time to play, no edge.
His judgement on when to leave the net front to engage and when to stay and attempt to clear it out is inconsistent.
We are fooled by glimpses of really good play, but he always reverts back to what he is a 3rd pair in 2nd pairs clothing.
 
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BigGoalBrad

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He should show some consistency at this point of his career, he doesn't.
Whiffs on clears, prone to Bambi legs when engaging against the boards.
Apparently a really nice human being. Just can't leave that at the door when it comes time to play, no edge.
His judgement on when to leave the net front to engage and when to stay and attempt to clear it out is inconsistent.
We are fooled by glimpses of really good play, but he always reverts back to what he is a 3rd pair in 2nd pairs clothing.
I don't know what the end game is keep him around for 20 years at a sizeable cap hit and rotate the blue line around to make up for his lack of offense or toughness?

We got good mileage from him it's time to get a forward in a trade middle roster guys like this aren't supposed to stay on one team for 10+ years.

You need a PP capable RD it might spur McAvoy to improve on the man up and you can flip them between units. Peeke skates well and has size and is fine as defense first 2D. Even good Carlo isn't a great fit. Zadarov add gives us the big guy with reach wed lose.

Sweeney sucks for letting things get to this point.
 

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