Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to New York Rangers

[bernmeister]

@HuGort Maybe you mean Barkov, not Tkachuk?

@bernmeister I'm glad you have a harmless hobby, but man you must have a lot of time on your hands!

Or, I have the kind of mind that can usually handle multiple level shit?

Remember
people want simple solutions to complex problems
issue there is that does not usually work

reality is usually complex solutions to complex problems
THEN once you have something functional, you can revise parts/tinker around the edges and smooth the results

but choosing a simple 'solution' for the sake of simplicity, not effectiveness, is NOT a solution

 

[Wondercarrot]

Or, I have the kind of mind that can usually handle multiple level shit?

Remember
people want simple solutions to complex problems
issue there is that does not usually work

reality is usually complex solutions to complex problems
THEN once you have something functional, you can revise parts/tinker around the edges and smooth the results

but choosing a simple 'solution' for the sake of simplicity, not effectiveness, is NOT a solution

Has there been one single trade in the history of hockey that moved 15+ players and picks between several teams?
Have you considered that perhaps you are trying to solve a problem that is neither complex, nor requires a complex solution?

 

[zenator]

Interesting that the Rangers went in to a nose dive after tampering with Brady through Brooks, and the Sens are now 1 point ahead in the standings. Thats karma.

I hear Adam Fox wants out, and would like to play on the west coast, or in the south. Start the bidding!

 

[Golden_Jet]

Interesting that the Rangers went in to a nose dive after tampering with Brady through Brooks, and the Sens are now 1 point ahead in the standings. Thats karma.

I hear Adam Fox wants out, and would like to play on the west coast, or in the south. Start the bidding!

Fox for Will Smith+, if he want to go west.

 

[Ciao]

. . . Remember
people want simple solutions to complex problems
issue there is that does not usually work

reality is usually complex solutions to complex problems
THEN once you have something functional, you can revise parts/tinker around the edges and smooth the results

but choosing a simple 'solution' for the sake of simplicity, not effectiveness, is NOT a solution

You know, I think the opposite is true: usually it's the simple solution that would work best, if only one could see it.

Complex answers are a poor substitute for a simple and straightforward approach.

 

[bernmeister]

You know, I think the opposite is true: usually it's the simple solution that would work best, if only one could see it.

Complex answers are a poor substitute for a simple and straightforward approach.

disagree
the bold assumes as fact a simple solution is actually possible

sometimes nothing works, but usually a complicated approach, seeking to address everything, while cumbersome, technically does check off the boxes so = works

simple solutions by nature bordering definition are not comprehensive enough to always be effective

 

[Ciao]

@bernmeister That is a word salad.

What does "by nature bordering definition" actually mean?

In my line of work, simplicity is paramount.

 

[MVP Zacha]

@bernmeister That is a word salad.

What does "by nature bordering definition" actually mean?

In my line of work, simplicity is paramount.

I don't think Bern knows what he is saying half of the time.

 

[zenator]

Why would Brady want to be traded to a team that is currently behind the Sens in the standings, outside of the playoffs, and is old and in decline? It makes no sense.
Call me crazy, but I think he would prefer being on a team that is better than the Rangers, and improving, where he is already captain.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Fox is untouchable

 

[Machinehead]

Interesting that the Rangers went in to a nose dive after tampering with Brady through Brooks, and the Sens are now 1 point ahead in the standings. Thats karma.

I hear Adam Fox wants out, and would like to play on the west coast, or in the south. Start the bidding!

You're completely making this up.

 

[bernmeister]

Fox is untouchable

nope

 

[Golden_Jet]

You're completely making this up.

Like most of this thread lol.
He could want out, the way it’s going over there.

 

[bernmeister]

disagree
the bold assumes as fact a simple solution is actually possible

sometimes nothing works, but usually a complicated approach, seeking to address everything, while cumbersome, technically does check off the boxes so = works

simple solutions by nature bordering definition are not comprehensive enough to always be effective

@bernmeister That is a word salad.

What does "by nature bordering definition" actually mean?

In my line of work, simplicity is paramount.

your particular line of work maybe but that is not applicable to across the board

What I said was not word salad. It was cogent and apt.
You simply refused to look at what I said carefully.

What does "by nature bordering definition" actually mean?
"simple solutions by nature bordering definition are not comprehensive enough to always be effective"

The postulate is most things in life ARE complicated, not simple
That is the rule, exceptions notwithstanding.
To properly understand/fully solve/resolve issues, and awareness of as many components to those issues as possible is desirable/useful.

If a car doesn't work, it could be any of a dozen things, right?

Knowing fully how a car works facilitates a proper diagnosis and correct cure.

Someone oversimplifying that which does not happen to be an exception to the rule simple to begin with compromises understanding the actual, fuller picture with many variables

Now I have much to do til end of the yr
peace out

I don't think Bern knows what he is saying half of the time.

This sounds like someone who lashes out at what THEY do not understand

I do not tutor and if I did you could not afford me

 

[Xspyrit]

lListen, I like Trocheck but dude has never had a PPG season and has only topped 30 goals once. He's just a good player.

Trocheck has been inconsistent in terms of production in his career but he's an excellent 2-way forward who had 97 pts in 98 games last season including the playoffs. He was a very high end 2-way center last season, he looked like he was hitting his peak since he joined the Rangers.

Pretty hard to win a cup without that stud center. MacKinnon, Crosby, Tkachuk, Toews, Eichel, Kopitar types

Ok but it is not the same... I quoted you for saying : "They didn't go low enough to get a star"

What you meant is they didn't choose the superstar Center when they had the chance. They still had 7th, 9th, 2nd and 1st OA picks in 4 consecutives drafts, that was their best chance to get that Stud Center. There's a vast difference between "star" and "superstar Center" lol

They picked Lafreniere and maybe should have picked Stutzle in 2020. In 2019, doesn't look like there's going to be another elite Center after Hughes, who went 1st OA. Same thing for 2018, another Wing/D-men draft. In 2017, maybe they should have picked Suzuki or Thomas but they weren't expected around 7th OA where they picked. And just Thomas is a real stud #1 C IMO

Not sure I'd call Zibanejad, Trochek and Kreider stars. Probably not Laf either.

Generational players and superstars also exist. What does it take to be a star? In the end it's only semantics but a lot of people probably never put a lot of thought into it. I already talked about Trocheck above so here's for the 2 others :

Zibanejad : from 2018-19 to 2023-24 (6 NHL seasons), he was 20th in NHL scoring (and 14th if you only look at 2019-20 to 2022-23). If that's not "star" level, that what is?

Kreider : 2021-22 to 2023-24, 7th most goals in the NHL... He hasn't been a star most of his career I'd say but those 3 peak years, it was elite goal scoring.

I usually don't say anything out of the blue without any empirical evidence to support it.

 

[Xspyrit]

Fox for Will Smith+, if he want to go west.

Done deal. Jamie always wanted to go west like Will did in 1999

 

[Ciao]

. . . This sounds like someone who lashes out at what THEY do not understand

I do not tutor and if I did you could not afford me

Certainly not, if you charge by the word.