Confirmed with Link: Brady Tkachuk - The decider: signs 3 year ELC

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My guess is you’ve never even watched full hockey game Brady has played in and that you equally haven't watched a full game with Hughes or Dahlin or any prospect you are talking about.

No I have.

Instead of saying this why not tell me where I'm wrong?
 

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Depends who you ask.

Like a sens fan that didnt watch both of them? Its incredibly obvious that Matthew was further long in his development, doesnt mean Brady wont be the better player but he is quite clearly not NHL ready not even close. Matthew was and he proved it, he isnt as big as Brady and has a different skillset Brady has alot more filling out to do.
 
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Like a sens fan that didnt watch both of them? Its incredibly obvious that Matthew was further long in his development, doesnt mean Brady wont be the better player but he is quite clearly not NHL ready not even close. Matthew was and he proved it, he isnt as big as Brady and has a different skillset Brady has alot more filling out to do.

I wasn't referring to myself or any Sens fan for that matter rather people who have jobs that require them to provide information on prospects year round and year after year. I've seen it mentioned by a number of people who would know more than you or I that Brady is NHL ready and I've even seen it mentioned that Brady is more advanced than Matthew was.
 
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I wasn't referring to myself or any Sens fan for that matter rather people who have jobs that require them to provide information on prospects year round and year after year. I've seen it mentioned by a number of people who would know more than you or I that Brady is NHL ready and I've even seen it mentioned that Brady is more advanced than Matthew was.

I've heard people say he is better than Matthew many times (not sure I believe it yet) but I haven't heard that he is more advanced/further along. It could be that is better than Matthew but hasn't developed as much.

That would basically be a best case scenario for the Sens. Let's hope that's the case. Another year in college won't do the kid any harm.
 

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I've heard people say he is better than Matthew many times (not sure I believe it yet) but I haven't heard that he is more advanced/further along. It could be that is better than Matthew but hasn't developed as much.

That would basically be a best case scenario for the Sens. Let's hope that's the case. Another year in college won't do the kid any harm.

More advanced is the exact phrase I've seen used. Not that I necessarily agree but like I said, it depends who you ask.
 

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I wasn't referring to myself or any Sens fan for that matter rather people who have jobs that require them to provide information on prospects year round and year after year. I've seen it mentioned by a number of people who would know more than you or I that Brady is NHL ready and I've even seen it mentioned that Brady is more advanced than Matthew was.

so have i
 

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I wasn't referring to myself or any Sens fan for that matter rather people who have jobs that require them to provide information on prospects year round and year after year. I've seen it mentioned by a number of people who would know more than you or I that Brady is NHL ready and I've even seen it mentioned that Brady is more advanced than Matthew was.

I watched them both quite a bit, Matthew was far more dominant at his age but I do believe Brady has more room to grow because he has a bigger frame and he is a much better skater. Matthew is more polished and it showed in his game. Much more poise around the net and a harder shot but I believe if developed properly Brady's end game will be better. However rushing him will surely result in a worse player in my opinion. The Sens need to take their time with him or this will really blow up in their face.
 
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Brady is a better skater and is bigger than Mathew but that’s probably it. A good argument can be made on who is the better playmaker though. Shot and hands go to Mathew.
 
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I watched them both quite a bit, Matthew was far more dominant at his age but I do believe Brady has more room to grow because he has a bigger frame and he is a much better skater. Matthew is more polished and it showed in his game. Much more poise around the net and a harder shot but I believe if developed properly Brady's end game will be better. However rushing him will surely result in a worse player in my opinion. The Sens need to take their time with him or this will really blow up in their face.

Tbh, I've really only watched them at the same age at the world juniors, and clips here and there, plus the odd game of London for Mathew. I find it tricky to compare dominance when one player is playing in a league of 16, 17 and 18 year olds, while the other is playing against 18 to 23 year olds. That said, both performed pretty similarly in the world juniors. I might give Mathew the edge in my viewings, but I wouldn't begrudge someone for disagreeing
 

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True, but he’s lived his whole life in a family with millions in the bank.

Surely there’s a difference between daddy paying for everything and receiving a fat paycheck under ur name.

We’ll see how he does in training camp...
 

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Hope he picks BU this year, and is ready to come into camp next year and really open some eyes.

Last thing I want is for Tkachuk to spend 75 games in the NHL as an 18 year old playing 9 minutes a night on the 4th line between plugs who are only there to give the Mark Stone types an extra few minutes rest, and depriving him of a crucial development year where he should be playing 18-20 mins a night.
 

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Hope he picks BU this year, and is ready to come into camp next year and really open some eyes.

Last thing I want is for Tkachuk to spend 75 games in the NHL as an 18 year old playing 9 minutes a night on the 4th line between plugs who are only there to give the Mark Stone types an extra few minutes rest, and depriving him of a crucial development year where he should be playing 18-20 mins a night.

I wouldn't mind if he played in the OHL or even the AHL. I want him to play a lot of hockey this year, in college they usually only play 40 games or so.
 

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I wouldn't mind if he played in the OHL or even the AHL. I want him to play a lot of hockey this year, in college they usually only play 40 games or so.

I would love that as well, and those are my first options for sure, but I don't trust this organization to be patient with Tkachuk at all, and I expect that if he decides to leave BU, that the team won't be able to help themselves and Tkachuk will be in the opening day NHL lineup to help drive ticket sales by promoting the shiny new toy in ticket drives ("buy a 6-pack ticket package and come see the new 1st round pick!") rather than doing the right thing for his long-term development.

If Tkachuk goes back to BU, he's taking that temptation out of the Sens hands and forcing the issue, which is probably the best realistic scenario for everyone involved.
 

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I dunno, last year all people did was complain about how slow the team was bringing along it's top prospects.

In my opinion, If he makes the NHL he's absolutely going to start with sheltered minutes to ease him into the pro game, be that next year or the year after. He'll likely start with an AHL stint, like they all seem to, to acclimatize him to the pro game and see how he does. His performance will be what dictates making the big team, and his confidence and experience will dictate how fast his NHL time will grow. Chabot and White seem to be coming along nicely on our squad.

As far as trying to get some form of boost as the reason to bring him up quick, I doubt it. We haven't done that with any of our other top prospects, in fact we've brought White, Brown, and Chabot along nice and slowly, not to mention the other quality guys that haven't played much or at all in Ottawa. If PD needs to make a fan splash he knows that all he has to do is sign of of our stars to a long term deal.

If anything it looks like PD is stocking up Bellville to be a quality team and learning environment, almost like if he can't have the funds and freedom to sort out the big club, he can at least set up the farm club in good stead so that our kids can develop properly. As for Brady, so much can happen in life, and it would be hard to turn down a guaranteed ELC contract, in favour of waiting another year where potential injury could derail a career. Personally I would prefer him playing in the AHL with his buddy Brown and a bunch of our other promising kids, and coached by Mann, than spend another year in College.

We shall see!
 
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I know Brady still has a ton of time to develop some puck skills while also working on his shot but people saying here that he really needs to fill out isn't really too accurate. Yes, of course he's going to fill out more but at 6'3 and 193 lbs is not a small person.

At the same time I totally get him going back to BU and cooking for another year.
 

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I know Brady still has a ton of time to develop some puck skills while also working on his shot but people saying here that he really needs to fill out isn't really too accurate. Yes, of course he's going to fill out more but at 6'3 and 193 lbs is not a small person.

At the same time I totally get him going back to BU and cooking for another year.

I think, most are saying that he need to fill out because of his gamestyle.

Not every 6'3 player need to be 220 lbs.
But when your playstyle is strongly one of a skilled/physical force, than gaining good weight is a must to be very effective. It will come with age.

At least, that's my opinion.
 
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I think, most are saying that he need to fill out because of his gamestyle.

Not every 6'3 player need to be 220 lbs.
But when your playstyle is strongly one of a skilled/physical force, than gaining good weight is a must to be very effective. It will come with age.

At least, that's my opinion.

Its definitely not a must, his brother is a great example of this as he's only 200 right now and was about Brady's weight when he entered the league. Matthew and Brady play pretty similar physically wise. So it wouldn't be so unheard of for him to play the game he does at the size he's at, of course more weight might help.
 

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We have to start thinking expansion protection. So keep him out this year.

That's a fair point, but I don't think we'll have an issue with protecting forwards.

If expansion comes in two years, and we actually manage to keep Stone+Duchene, we'd be able to Stone, Duchene, Tkachuk, Brown, White, Dzingel, along with an additional forward whether that is one of Batherson or Formenton who might become full time NHLers as soon as 2018-19, or someone else.

I can't see us keeping JG Pageau as a UFA because he is going to be in a position to command 4.5M+ as a 3C (Although he's slated as our 2C right now). Smith's name has been in trade rumours over the last few month, but even so he'd have one year left on his contract and be approaching his mid 30's, meaning not exactly a priority to protect.

Because our team is starting what at best is a re-tool and at worst a rebuild, we'll be one of the teams that ends up in a fortunate position come expansion time where we won't have much to lose in the draft that isn't protected.
 
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