Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

Agent Zuuuub

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1st paragraph - nonsense, that's how negotiations work, ruthless how? Laywers on one side of the table & lawyers on the other side, he got his market value which he could have gotten from 31 other teams. To say otherwise is nonsense & semantics leading to a particular negative narative.

2nd paragraph - you clearly prefer the finesse playerss who can score pretty goals, just say it. You don't like the rough tough style that Brady brings & you certainly don't appreciate it. You don't appreciate the punishment he takes in front of the net, how he makes so many neat tips while big defencemen are hanging off his back. You don't appreciate the room he makes for his linemates drawing the defenders to him or consider those things he does to be skillful yet very few in the NHL can replicate them which is why he is so valuable.

3rd paragraph - again nonsense he got his market value since both sides agree to it & both sides considered it fair & again there are 31 other teams that would have given it to him & some much more. Tkachuk is once again leading the team in scoring for the 3rd yr in a row, he's not a figure skater he is a banger who can produce & does produce pts & he's tough & rarely misses a game. Just say it, you hate this kind of player, you prefer finesse players like Stutzle. He has performed to their level except for the pts which is what you keep reffering to ignoring the other stuff he does leading this team. You want pretty plays from $8 mil players, not banging pucks into the net from in front, just say it.

4th paragraph - maybe Batherson's contract balances that out either way they have lawyers representing them & they will get fair market value that's how it works. It's up to the player to live up to their contracts & what is expected from the organization's view point. From what management says they love him, the coach loves him, his teammates love him & those things are also why he makes more money on the ice & off. There are UFAs that leave the team every yr freeing up money, their are guys traded every yr freeing up money. Every team in the NHL has to deal with this as their young players get to a point where they deserve more money, that's just the way it is & they will deal with it. Cherry picking Tkachuk's contract to try & blame him for other player's negotiations is just another way to say I don't like this player, just say it.

Yes ruthless. You said it yourself there were lawyers present, they are ruthless. I'm sure they were calm and rational, but also merciless. One side had the upper hand at the table and used it to extract the maximum amount they could not because of the genuine market value but because Dorion and Melnyk had backed themselves in a corner in which not signing Brady would have made the brand an even bigger joke and marred the rebuild at the start. Tkachuks knew this and used it to get a very favorable salary. I do not think they would have been able to strong arm many other franchise like this. Is that market value? maybe. I just call it poor management. Good on Brady to take advantage.

I do not hate the player. Some of my favourite all time senators are Alfredsson, Neil, and Volchenkov. I like them because all of these players innately loved contact and the physical side of hockey, they were true hockey players. Brady is the same mold and so the idea that I don't like the player is false. I love players who thrive under physicality and are natural competitors. But If any of Alfredsson, Neil and Volchenkov were overpaid I would have mentioned it and still liked them as players. Why should it be different about Brady?

I would not say I prefer finesse players, I prefer hockey sense and and compete above all. Hockey is violence but also art, and the players who combine the two are the ones who capture my imagination the most.
 

aragorn

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Sure, players get multiple "hits" a game, but Tkachuk, boy, he gets multiple HITS a game.

He's clearly a very skilled player; controls the boards and plays a more cerebral game. He understands how to control play in response to defensive coverage (eg distance between him and the guy covering him, free ice). Underrated playmaker.

He's kinda lazy coming back on the back check, but he is good in the dzone. I don't recall a play scored against us directly because of a misplay by Tkachuk in the dzone, maybe a clear that was knocked down?

The only thing holding him back from being a God is his skating; fixes both of his deficiencies. It would help him break through coverage with his frame to be more of a self producer, and it would make him an actual option on the back check. As much as it's lazy it's also "well, why bother? Don't wait for me!".

I feel like we get flashes of him where he finds this unworldly speed, and he's a winner baby.

I imagine it must be exhausting constantly fighting with guys in front of the net & in the corners & along the boards, I often see him go to the bench rather than the D-zone. I don't think it's lazy, but exhaustion. If he could improve his skating he would be even more dominating & balance on his skates.

It is wild to think that Tkachuk is only going to get bigger and stronger. He is going to be like Dustin Byfuglien at some point. Tkachuk is only 22 years old at this point and this is what Byfuglien looked like at 25.

Then this is what Byfuglien became:

Tkachuk is already starting to become pretty physically imposing and throwing some massive hits. He is only going to get bigger and stronger. Just wait until he is in his mid twenties.


And wait until Formenton, Pinto & Batherson all get stronger & physically more mature they are going to be dominating & good. And then there is Sokolov, Kleven, Sanderson, Ostapchuk, Kastelic, Boucher, Greig, Jarventie .... they are going to be a big heavy team that is very hard to play against & physically punishing on the forecheck that will wear teams out.
 

aragorn

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Yes ruthless. You said it yourself there were lawyers present, they are ruthless. I'm sure they were calm and rational, but also merciless. One side had the upper hand at the table and used it to extract the maximum amount they could not because of the genuine market value but because Dorion and Melnyk had backed themselves in a corner in which not signing Brady would have made the brand an even bigger joke and marred the rebuild at the start. Tkachuks knew this and used it to get a very favorable salary. I do not think they would have been able to strong arm many other franchise like this. Is that market value? maybe. I just call it poor management. Good on Brady to take advantage.

I do not hate the player. Some of my favourite all time senators are Alfredsson, Neil, and Volchenkov. I like them because all of these players innately loved contact and the physical side of hockey, they were true hockey players. Brady is the same mold and so the idea that I don't like the player is false. I love players who thrive under physicality and are natural competitors. But If any of Alfredsson, Neil and Volchenkov were overpaid I would have mentioned it and still liked them as players. Why should it be different about Brady?

I would not say I prefer finesse players, I prefer hockey sense and and compete above all. Hockey is violence but also art, and the players who combine the two are the ones who capture my imagination the most.
I think you are making things up in your own mind, there are lawyers on both sides doing their job, the Sens have them too, why are they not ruthless too? What team in the NHL looking back now would not give Brady Tkachuk the exact same contract, if not more given how he plays & the success he has had. I think this opinion is generally accepted

He got market value & some could argue the Sens got a great deal. That could be said about every team's best player's when they come up for contract renewal that they have the org by the balls & will get a big pay day. That's just the way it is & if things ever go back to normal the cap should start rising again & some of these guys will be making even more like it or not.

If your arguement is he is overpaid, how? He is leading the team again for the 3rd yr in a row in scoring, he went to the allstar game ahead of Chabot as a replacement for Batherson. He has led this NHL/team in hits or right up there almost since he turned pro & he will drop the gloves if need be with almost anyone it seems.

He scores goals, makes some nice assists & seems to have a very high hockey IQ & vision the way he sees guys & makes some plays look. He block's the goalie's view, takes all that punishment in front of the net, separates guys from the puck, helps out the young guys on & off the ice.

He is the face of the franchise which is what they wanted, the owner, management, the coaches, the players, the trainers, broadcasters & the media at large all love him, why is he not worth that contract? The amount of free advertising & marketing they get from him must be enormous & he came with a brand name already in place in hockey circles.

What would any other team pay for all that? How many people would go to the rink just to see him? How many would go to see Svechnikov or Dahlin or Zadina, how many even know these guys outside of die hard fans? He's not only a great player for this team, he is a marketing miracle & that plays into the negotiations as well.
 
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While some think it's a fair contract, I think most people think he's overpaid based on his current form by around $700K to $1.5M for various reasons.

If we acknowledge that, can we move on? I mean, we gave up on Bobby Ryan ever delivering on his contract and still ended up liking the guy.

What he's being paid does not reflect the fact that he's a power forward in the body of a 22 year old with lots of development ahead of him IMO. Does anyone really think he's a finished product at this stage? That's why I don't understand the consternation.

He was never going to be Mitch Marner or Patrick Kane. Signing him to a long-term contract wasn't suddenly going to change him into a completely different player.

His hands and offensive creativity is a little underrated at this stage, but his true value is how he can play on a top line, not look out of place, while providing an additional physical dimension - an overall package that is increasingly rare in the NHL.

If he was failing to live up to his cap hit in a season where we are actively trying to make the post-season/in the playoffs, I'd be more worried.

In a season where injuries have taken his linemates away for large stretches, along with COVID-19, no training camp, and a lot of support guys out of the line-up for large periods of time, I think you have to cut him a bit of slack - especially if he's still on track to beat his career highs.

The fact that Batherson undervalued his own potential shouldn't mean that we expect everyone else on the roster to take similarly bad advice.
 
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While some think it's a fair contract, I think most people think he's overpaid based on his current form by around $700K to $1.5M for various reasons.

If we acknowledge that, can we move on?
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Absolutely not … he’s a beast and makes less money than Colin White and the same as Tierney. There is nothing wrong with his game and he’s putting up positive value.

Let’s see if he becomes a $10 mill player and judge him then … but for now he’s great value on his contract.
 

NyQuil

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Absolutely not … he’s a beast and makes less money than Colin White and the same as Tierney. There is nothing wrong with his game and he’s putting up positive value.

Let’s see if he becomes a $10 mill player and judge him then … but for now he’s great value on his contract.

We'll see what a $10 million dollar contract looks like by then and where the cap is.
 

Agent Zuuuub

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I think you are making things up in your own mind, there are lawyers on both sides doing their job, the Sens have them too, why are they not ruthless too? What team in the NHL looking back now would not give Brady Tkachuk the exact same contract, if not more given how he plays & the success he has had. I think this opinion is generally accepted

He got market value & some could argue the Sens got a great deal. That could be said about every team's best player's when they come up for contract renewal that they have the org by the balls & will get a big pay day. That's just the way it is & if things ever go back to normal the cap should start rising again & some of these guys will be making even more like it or not.

If your arguement is he is overpaid, how? He is leading the team again for the 3rd yr in a row in scoring, he went to the allstar game ahead of Chabot as a replacement for Batherson. He has led this NHL/team in hits or right up there almost since he turned pro & he will drop the gloves if need be with almost anyone it seems.

He scores goals, makes some nice assists & seems to have a very high hockey IQ & vision the way he sees guys & makes some plays look. He block's the goalie's view, takes all that punishment in front of the net, separates guys from the puck, helps out the young guys on & off the ice.

He is the face of the franchise which is what they wanted, the owner, management, the coaches, the players, the trainers, broadcasters & the media at large all love him, why is he not worth that contract? The amount of free advertising & marketing they get from him must be enormous & he came with a brand name already in place in hockey circles.

What would any other team pay for all that? How many people would go to the rink just to see him? How many would go to see Svechnikov or Dahlin or Zadina, how many even know these guys outside of die hard fans? He's not only a great player for this team, he is a marketing miracle & that plays into the negotiations as well.

I love all those things that Brady does but personally the play is dyeing on his stick a tad too much for a player with an 8.2 mill cap hit. But he is definitely playing at a higher rate than his 4m salary so I will try and judge him on the 4.

Still I don't think it's too much too ask Brady to clean up his game with the puck. I was loving his play earlier on in the season but right now it feels he has taken a step back.
 

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I love all those things that Brady does but personally the play is dyeing on his stick a tad too much for a player with an 8.2 mill cap hit. But he is definitely playing at a higher rate than his 4m salary so I will try and judge him on the 4.

Still I don't think it's too much too ask Brady to clean up his game with the puck. I was loving his play earlier on in the season but right now it feels he has taken a step back.

Different linemates every game that are not playing at a first line level will do that
 
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If he turns out like his brother the Sens are golden

Matthew is the more skilled player of the two. I don't think it's that close either. But Brady has better character, is more of a leader and is just a better teammate.

The Matthew that is playing this year is great but he sulked and caused problems last year. I prefer Brady's courage and the way he brings teammates together.
 
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JD1

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I love to see this. Not necessarily for the physical stuff (which is nice on its own) but it just shows how much stronger on his skates Brady has gotten. I can't see him doing that last year. We're seeing much more Keith Tkachuk and less Bambi this year. Good stuff.

Tkachuk was tripped on that play. Could have been a 2 minute 5 on 3
 

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Different linemates every game that are not playing at a first line level will do that

yea but the mistakes he is making are of his own volition, nothing to do with linemates.

He has good vision and can see plays developing but seems to lack focus with the puck. Lots of half hearted hope passes that miss their mark. And more than that he is missing simple passes when he is being pressured resulting in too many giveaways.
 

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yea but the mistakes he is making are of his own volition, nothing to do with linemates.

He has good vision and can see plays developing but seems to lack focus with the puck. Lots of half hearted hope passes that miss their mark. And more than that he is missing simple passes when he is being pressured resulting in too many giveaways.
Sure but he has really improved his ability to control the puck along the wall and he is flashing some really nice hands in the offensive zone. I think there are still a couple more levels he can hit skill wise and strength wise. My offensive ceiling assessment of Brady has really gone up this season.
 
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I think if this clip went about another 10 seconds longer we'd see a pass attempt giveaway at the tail end of that. Could have the specific play wrong but I thought it was this one. Tkachuk was upset at himself as he changed right after.

Was a great shift up to that point.
From what I remember Gaudette made the change early but that meant he vacated the left point. Tkachuk passed to where Gaudette was but because he left the left point to go change it lead to a turnover and loss of offensive zone pressure. I am not sure why Gaudette changed at that point as he could have found a better moment that would have helped sustain offensive pressure.
 

aragorn

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yea but the mistakes he is making are of his own volition, nothing to do with linemates.

He has good vision and can see plays developing but seems to lack focus with the puck. Lots of half hearted hope passes that miss their mark. And more than that he is missing simple passes when he is being pressured resulting in too many giveaways.

I see Stutzle make all kinds of mistakes too why aren't you pointing those out?
 

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