Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

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Tkatchuk plays a heavy forecheck and grind game. Stutzle plays the speed and slick play game but we less puck possession. They don't really mix well.

Stutzle doesn’t want to pass the puck and Brady is a player that needs his C to carry the puck for him. Which is weird because last year I remember they played well together
 
He just isnt a good fit with Stutzle their styles dont work well together.
Yeah, they definitely haven't found chemistry, but I think they could compliment each other in the right circumstances. Stu is looking for skill plays while Brady is more of a cause chaos type, I think if you add another skilled play guy on the line Brady would create a lot of space and clean up the garbage, but if you're putting guys like Brown with them it's not going to work.
 
No fan doesn't appreciate the physical side Brady brings but that doesn't mean it excuses his lack of play in other areas.

Last I checked offensive and defensive play is substance.

Brady can go full games without generating a scoring chance for. That is something you can justifiably be concerned about from your highest cap hit.
The exact same thing can be said about Stutzle & most players for that matter. But I never read you mentioning Stutzle's give aways & poor play sometimes resulting in chances against when he hangs on to the puck to long & loses it resulting in breakaways.

Stutzle can also go long stretches without generating scoring chances & he is much more relyed on for that because he is the guy who is suppose to be the future 70 pt player. Just say it, you don't like the style of play Brady plays.
 
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The exact same thing can be said about Stutzle & most players for that matter. But I never read you mentioning Stutzle's give aways & poor play sometimes resulting in chances against when he hangs on to the puck to long & loses it resulting in breakaways.

Stutzle can also go long stretches without generating scoring chances & he is much more relyed on for that because he is the guy who is suppose to be the future 70 pt player. Just say it, you don't like the style of play Brady plays.
Both you guys have a distorted view of each player. He thinks Brady is worse than he is and you think Stutzle isnt as good as he is. Its really weird. On top of that neither is close to done developing, they are going to improve. And in all likelyhood could make you both look a little silly in how you define them.
 
Both you guys have a distorted view of each player. He thinks Brady is worse than he is and you think Stutzle isnt as good as he is. Its really weird. On top of that neither is close to done developing, they are going to improve. And in all likelyhood could make you both look a little silly in how you define them.

I think Stutzle is going to be a great player & is going through growing & learning pains as do so many young players. I just don't like the constant Tkachuk bashing.
 
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I think Stutzle is going to be a great player & is going through growing & learning pains as do so many young players. I just don't like the constant Tkachuk bashing.

I'm not bashing Tkachuk just commentating on his play. When he is doing good things I mention it. If he is doing bad things I mention it. What is the problem with that?

You simply don't enjoy any discussion of Brady unless it's singing his praises.
 
I'm not bashing Tkachuk just commentating on his play. When he is doing good things I mention it. If he is doing bad things I mention it. What is the problem with that?

You simply don't enjoy any discussion of Brady unless it's singing his praises.
You bash him all the time, that's why we have had so many discussions about it. But you don't do the same with the players you like in Brannstrom & Stutzle when they have bad games. And you do it when half the team is out injured/Covid/flu without mentioning how he is basically the last man standing. The guy is increadibly resilient & hardly misses any time while so many keep dropping with very little help & continues to lead this team in scoring. He does more than most & continues to play hard all the time & should be recognized for it.
 
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He's mostly played with Stützle with Norris an Batherson out, who imo is a first line quality player, but none the less I agree with your sentiment, and even if he's still playing with first liners (which is admittedly debatable at best despite my feelings on Stü) the loss of depth makes it easier for opposition to focus on shutting his line down.

As an aside, the debate at the time of his signing was between Tkachuk and Svechnikov, both players are doing really well, so no closure on that one yet.

Tkachuk and Stuetzle I don't think will ever mesh well. They play the game quite differently
 
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I'm not bashing Tkachuk just commentating on his play. When he is doing good things I mention it. If he is doing bad things I mention it. What is the problem with that?

You simply don't enjoy any discussion of Brady unless it's singing his praises.

I wonder if we could get your thoughts on Zub's recent drop in play? He seems to be struggling moving the puck.
 
Yeah i thought a 60-70 point Tkachuk was pretty much what we were all hoping for.

If that's the area he ends up consistently putting up points, while doing everything else he does I'll be a happy guy.

Agree, someone who projects to score 60-70 points and who will certainly have a few multi-point nights will necessarily have other days where he isn’t scoring. It shouldn’t be a surprise unless someone was projecting 100++ points.
 
I wonder if we could get your thoughts on Zub's recent drop in play? He seems to be struggling moving the puck.

You can discuss Zub's recent drop in play on Zub's thread, and even give you own thoughts rather asking for his.

His interests lies in discussing Tkachuk's play, which I assume you're not okay with, for some odd reason?
 
I don't remember many but to be fair I didn't watch a young Alfie.

One of the best indicators I have found for great players is that even when they have bad games they are still creating or trying to create. Karlsson, Alfredsson, Stone, Spezza all would make dynamic plays even if they were struggling because they were simply on higher intelligence and skill level than most players on the ice. It was second nature for them to make high end plays.

Brady doesn't struggle like that, he straight up vanishes so that the only time you notice him is when he makes a big hit, dumps the puck in to go on a change, or turns turns the puck over.

And its not even that its singular isolated dud games. Since Batherson went down, it's been many, sometimes consecutive games where nothing happens with the puck on his stick.

I think every great player has dud games. What separates the greats from the pretty goods is that they don't have stretches of bad games, and they're few and far between.

I remember watching mario lemeiux look invisible some nights. Crosby, Ovechkin, Yzerman. All of them.
 
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I think every great player has dud games. What separates the greats from the pretty goods is that they don't have stretches of bad games, and they're few and far between.

I remember watching mario lemeiux look invisible some nights. Crosby, Ovechkin, Yzerman. All of them.

See, now that is a good counter point.

Rather some posters just getting their feeling hurts and go "how dare you criticize my favorite player, you're a hater!!!!" its hilarious :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 


Most of these guys are ppg players. Brady and Drouin seem to be the outcasts.

Can you find the numbers for this year as opposed to a 3 year weighted average. I’m curious to see the change considering age and progression of Brady
 
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Back when Brady signed his contract, I think the general concensus was that if he could score in the range of 65-70 points, and bring his unique brand of intangibles to the team, then the contract would be pretty good value.


He's currently rolling at a 0.77 ppg pace, which has him finishing with 64 points. Pretty on the money for his required point requirement, and I think is impressive considering the injuries and covid issues the Sens have dealt with this year. Plus, he hasn't had Norris and Batherson for a while.



For reference, he scored at a 0.64 ppg pace last season. Jumping to 0.77 is pretty huge.
 
Back when Brady signed his contract, I think the general concensus was that if he could score in the range of 65-70 points, and bring his unique brand of intangibles to the team, then the contract would be pretty good value.


He's currently rolling at a 0.77 ppg pace, which has him finishing with 64 points. Pretty on the money for his required point requirement, and I think is impressive considering the injuries and covid issues the Sens have dealt with this year. Plus, he hasn't had Norris and Batherson for a while.



For reference, he scored at a 0.64 ppg pace last season. Jumping to 0.77 is pretty huge.

Yeah I think he's producing just fine. Getting Norris, and ultimately Batherson, back should help too.

We hear how his offense isn't progressing or whatever, but I'm not agreeing with that take. Brady is very effective in the offensive zone. What he needs to do is figure out, as @JungleBeat pointed out, how to be a two-way player. If that means going for less hits down low and staying on the right side of the puck more, then so be it. Right now he is a one zone player. I'd like to see him improve in that area.
 
When Brady isn’t scoring he is still impacting the game. Whether it be through hits, fights, firing up the boys or just knowing there’s someone that will run through a wall for you on your team.

Does the puck seem bouncier some days on his stick, or does the ice seem a little more slippery during the odd game? Yeah, sure. But the guy is always engaged and always having an impact on the game in some facet.

On Brady’s worse night this team is better with him on it than with him off it. He needs to refine some parts of his game, as does every other player in the national hockey league. It will come, he’s far from a finished product.
 
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Tkachuk won't mesh with Stutzle because he plays a bang bang physical style of hockey where puck protection(especially along boards) and simple quick passes reign supreme. That's why he meshes well with Norris and Batherson.

Stutzle is a wizard and needs guys who either play a simple game and utilize gamebreaking ability or have really high IQs. That's with with Forms and Brown. Notice how I didnt say well though, because he hasn't really gotten consistency with either for long, or because neither are on his IQ level. Probably the former as very few might be across the league.

Tkachuk and Stutzle may mesh better when both are physically capable and can focus on improving the chemistry part of their skill game instead of allocating some of their efforts in the puck protection style game, which their bodies are not fully capable of(Tkachuk's is, but he tries to play like he's Byfugelin or Drai with too much puck protection--less is more with Brady--for now).
 
Can you find the numbers for this year as opposed to a 3 year weighted average. I’m curious to see the change considering age and progression of Brady

-0.76 EVD WAR right now. Aging curves I have seen suggest defensive impact pretty much stays the same from 22-30.
 
-0.76 EVD WAR right now. Aging curves I have seen suggest defensive impact pretty much stays the same from 22-30.
hey analytics.

So many stats rely on Replacement level player.

How is that defined, or determined? does it not open up to the argument of a floating reference point.

I read things like: an NHL/AHL tweener, back and forth guy. is that not broad. Who chooses which ones?
 

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