Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Knave]

Matthew Tkachuk disappeared in the second round and in prior years with Calgary there were questions involving Matthew and the playoffs.

It's hard to know what Brady Tkachuk will be in the playoffs but what we've seen from Matthew so far isn't out of the question.

In terms of regular season Matthew Tkachuk is way better. He has two 40 goal seasons and shoots way less than Brady.

This reminds me of the conversation about the Toronto core and our core. Matthews had by far a career worst year and he scored 40+. Brady Tkachuk just had his best season ever and managed 35.

 

[Micklebot]

Brady has played with the absolute best linemates available since he was a rookie, and recently he's been playing with all star level players. Yet still a minus.

Derrick Brassard or Parker Kelly aren't the reasons Brady is a minus, it's his own play. He is near 400 games now, the excuses need to stop.

Matt Murray and Cam Talbot vs Bobrovsky and Markstrom... Hmm, that probably has nothing to do with anything, right?

Brady at 5v5 is actually a plus, at 50.88 gf%, Matt has played on better teams, top to bottom, so that helps, and he's no doubt a very good player, but if their roles were reversed I'm sure his +/- would take a significant hit.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Alfredsson had two minus seasons in his career and Stone has had one.

Total fluke right haha

Plus minus when you're lining up with the teams best centers, wingers, and defenceman matters. And Brady holds all those guys back with his defensive play,

The cherry picking probably benefits their offensive game, but hurts the overall 5 on 5 game, and guess what's our biggest weakness that is keeping us from success?

And what was the team goal differential in those years? Was Alfie in a rebuild?
Lmao with your hate for Brady, seems like you’d make a good leaf fan, nice soft play to cheer for.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

And what was the team goal differential in those years? Was Alfie in a rebuild?
Lmao with your hate for Brady, seems like you’d make a good leaf fan, nice soft play to cheer for.

Both Stone and Alfredsson had played with less than ideal linemates and teams. Yet they still took personal pride in their defensive games especially since they were the leaders. Brady takes little pride in his defensive game even though he is a leader.

I can't believe wanting Brady to play better defensively is such a controversial take on here.

Especially when he plays better defensively and actually gives defensive effort we win more games vs when he is more concerned with cherry picking to pad his offensive stats. If I hate Brady, you hate winning.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Both Stone and Alfredsson had played with less than ideal linemates and teams. Yet they still took personal pride in their defensive games especially since they were the leaders. Brady takes little pride in his defensive game even though he is a leader.

I can't believe wanting Brady to play better defensively is such a controversial take on here.

Especially when he plays better defensively and actually gives defensive effort we win more games vs when he is more concerned with cherry picking to pad his offensive stats. If I hate Brady, you hate winning.

I don't think anyone would argue that Brady has surpassed Alfie and Stone yet.

 

[Micklebot]

Both Stone and Alfredsson had played with less than ideal linemates and teams. Yet they still took personal pride in their defensive games especially since they were the leaders.

I can't believe wanting Brady to play better defensively is such a controversial take on here.

Especially when he plays better defensively and actually gives defensive effort we win more games vs when he is more concerned with cherry picking to pad his offensive stats. If I hate Brady, you hate winning.

The problem isn't with wanting Brady to improve defensively, it's with the terrible arguments you're putting forward, but do please continue using plus minus to argue your case...

 

[Ice-Tray]

Your sarcasm detector must be broken.

Complaining about Tkachuk going to Panthers games is every bit as stupid as thinking that going to Panthers games will make him "hungry" next year.

If you say so….. lol

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The problem isn't with wanting Brady to improve defensively, it's with the terrible arguments you're putting forward, but do please continue using plus minus to argue your case...

Brady's lack of defensive play and effort is reflected in his plus minus. The bad defensive play comes first.

If he improves defensively, his and his line's plus minus will go up.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Listen to the Best Podcasts & Shows Online, Free | iHeart

Listen to the latest episodes from top podcasts. Get news, sports & lifestyle info from your favorite personalities for free!

www.iheartradio.ca

Overdrive interview with Brady following Matt,, not sure about the link ,, bur listening from that link now.

 

[Micklebot]

Brady's lack of defensive play and effort is reflected in his plus minus. The bad defensive play comes first.

If he improves defensively, his and his line's plus minus will go up.

Lol, keep it coming, I'm sure at some point you'll manage a convincing argument based on plus minus.

 

[Masked]

It's hard to know what Brady Tkachuk will be in the playoffs but what we've seen from Matthew so far isn't out of the question.

In terms of regular season Matthew Tkachuk is way better. He has two 40 goal seasons and shoots way less than Brady.

Those two 40 goals seasons were the past two seasons. At the same age as Brady is now, Matthew didn't have a point per game season yet nor a 35 goal season.

And for those comparing Brady with Alfie and Stone, both of those players were just coming off their rookie seasons at the same age that Brady is now. And neither of those rookie seasons were as impressive as Brady's past season.

Assen na yo!

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Lol, keep it coming, I'm sure at some point you'll manage a convincing argument based on plus minus.

So do you think that it's an accident that Alfredsson and Stone have 3 combined minus seasons, and that Brady has been minus every season of his career?

That Alfie, Stone and Brady had no individual impact on their plus minus totals and that it's just all team effects and line mate effects?

And do you think that It's Stutzle and Norris who are keeping backs Brady's plus minus?

 

[Micklebot]

So do you think that it's an accident that Alfredsson and Stone have 3 combined minus seasons, and that Brady has been minus every season?

That Alfie, Stone and Brady had no individual impact on their plus minus totals and that it's just all team effects?

I think it's partially a matter of context. The teams they played on goes a long way to explain their stats. Nobody is saying Brady is as good defensively as Alfredsson or Stone, but you're setting the bar pretty unreasonably high with two wingers that got selke consideration, pretty intellectually dishonest comparison.

Meanwhile Brady has spent most of his career on bottom 5 teams that were intentionally tanking, with subpar goaltending.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Matthew Tkachuk disappeared in the second round and in prior years with Calgary there were questions involving Matthew and the playoffs.

It's hard to know what Brady Tkachuk will be in the playoffs but what we've seen from Matthew so far isn't out of the question.

In terms of regular season Matthew Tkachuk is way better. He has two 40 goal seasons and shoots way less than Brady.

This reminds me of the conversation about the Toronto core and our core. Matthews had by far a career worst year and he scored 40+. Brady Tkachuk just had his best season ever and managed 35.

Ya Brady got to PPG before Matthew. Enjoy both.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I think it's partially a matter of context. The teams they played on goes a long way to explain their stats. Nobody is saying Brady is as good defensively as Alfredsson or Stone, but you're setting the bar pretty unreasonably high with two wingers that got selke consideration, pretty intellectually dishonest comparison.

Meanwhile Brady has spent most of his career on bottom 5 teams that were intentionally tanking, with subpar goaltending.

Like I have said Brady's bad defensive play would not be as egregious if he actually tried.

Like even if his defensive instincts sucked just because of effort and his physical tools he could make a defensive impact. But he flat out doesn't care for the defensive side of the game.

Can you say the same of Stone and Alfredsson?

Last 2-3 years we were trying to be competitive, Brady was still cherry picking and soft on the back check.

It's not a bad thing have pride in your defensive play as a captain, to set a good example for your teammates.

Alfredsson and Stone played on bad teams with bad linemates, they still tried hard defensively.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Like I have said Brady's bad defensive play would not be as egregious if he actually tried.

Like even if his defensive instincts sucked just because of effort and his physical tools he could make a defensive impact. But he flat out doesn't care for the defensive side of the game.

Can you say the same of Stone and Alfredsson?

Last 2-3 years we were trying to be competitive, Brady was still cherry picking and soft on the back check.

It's not a bad thing have pride in your defensive play as a captain, to set a good example for your teammates.

Alfredsson and Stone played on bad teams with bad linemates, they still tried hard defensively.

You keep mentioning cherry picking, the Sens have 1 player cherry picking on purpose to stretch out the D. Surprised you’ve never figured this out yet,

Maybe you’ve noticed the same thing when Brady isn’t on the ice?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You keep mentioning cherry picking, the Sens have 1 player cherry picking on purpose to stretch out the D. Surprised you’ve never figured this out yet,

Maybe you’ve noticed the same thing when Brady isn’t on the ice?

I think that was instituted because Brady would blow the zone either way. DJ let's them play how they want what and what makes them happy instead of playing them as a unit. Contrast the playoff teams and how we play. Night and day.

And Brady is by far the most irresponsible at doing it. Just yolos the f*** out of there even as our goalie is forced to make a save.

Not to mention the wide lazy circles going back, despite wearing the C.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think that was instituted because Brady would blow the zone either way.

Too funny

 

[Micklebot]

I think that was instituted because Brady would blow the zone either way. DJ let's them play how they want what and what makes them happy instead of playing them as a unit. Contrast the playoff teams and how we play. Night and day.

And Brady is by far the most irresponsible at doing it. Just yolos the f*** out of there even as our goalie is forced to make a save.

Not to mention the wide lazy circles going back, despite wearing the C.

Oooh, now it all makes sense, the coach is designing his system around how one player plays rather than getting players to play the system he wants, that's totally logical and not a convoluted rationalization to fit your narrative....

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You keep mentioning cherry picking, the Sens have 1 player cherry picking on purpose to stretch out the D. Surprised you’ve never figured this out yet,

Maybe you’ve noticed the same thing when Brady isn’t on the ice?

This is true.

Because our coach is terrible at his job.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I think anyone expecting Brady to duplicate Matts performance this year and playoffs will be disappointed.

Hell, I don't think Matt will be able to duplicate it in the future.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Oooh, now it all makes sense, the coach is designing his system around how one player plays rather than getting players to play the system he wants, that's totally logical and not a convoluted rationalization to fit your narrative....

Brady blew the zone early way before it became the "system".

And some kind of system lol. Push over coach with a bunch of young stars who play and act like they are still in college.

And why does Brady look the worst and least responsible carrying out this system? Shouldn't it be the opposite.

 

[JD1]

I think anyone expecting Brady to duplicate Matts performance this year and playoffs will be disappointed.

Hell, I don't think Matt will be able to duplicate it in the future.

Ya you might be right but the flip side to that is being a Hart finalist and quite possibly a Conn Smythe winner is pretty difficult to duplicate

We'd all go bonkers if Brady ever does that

 

[Samsquanch]

I think anyone expecting Brady to duplicate Matts performance this year and playoffs will be disappointed.

Hell, I don't think Matt will be able to duplicate it in the future.

No doubt Matt's performance has been the stuff of legends so far.

But if anything my takeaway from this is don't doubt the Tkachuks. Just stop. They all have "it". Yes Keith never had good results in the playoffs, I was watching and remember. But he playe the game The right way is the bottom line.

These boys just simply know how to play hockey. Period. They are greater than the sum of their own parts, and their engines run on that magical fuel mixture of intangibles and competitiveness. And have the IQ and willingness to use their size to its fullest.

Brady doesn't have to carry an entire team on his back offensively for him to still play a staring role as the captain of our cup winning team someday. He can chart his own path, and hes got lots of potential to make a huge contribution to a cup winning team in his own way.

Like a rich mans Dustin Brown.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think anyone expecting Brady to duplicate Matts performance this year and playoffs will be disappointed.

Hell, I don't think Matt will be able to duplicate it in the future.

Luckily for us we have Stutzle. Who is capable of all that. Therefore we don't need Brady to be the one. Moreover, Brady will likely dominate a few playoffs himself which will increase our chances for a cup(or more) if anything.