Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[darude]

You're right that it's not going to turn around in 1 season, it's going to take patience and hardwork from Andlauer and Staios to repair this mess.

Patience that, after 7 years regardless of ownership, I'm willing to bet the Tkachuks don't have.

I'm not saying this season, or soon, but like I said-- I don't think Brady is going to play out the remainder of his contract with us. Bookmark this and I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.

I think you're both right. Tkachuks probably want Brady to get his now and don't see that happening in Ottawa.

If he's gonna be traded though, IMO Staios is smart enough that there's only like a 0.5% chance it's to a team in the East. It'd have to be a once in a lifetime type offer and I just don't see that happening.

St. Louis is a natural destination but I have no idea what you'd get in return from them that would be worth it.

We'd probably be looking at the Karlsson type trade of prospect + decent pick + serviceable NHLer, but I dunno if we'd actually get that.

 

[Relapsing]

Well everyone’s #1 priority is themselves. But I don’t think Matthew and Brady are identical people.

Matthew said himself that he wanted to sign long-term in Calgary and it was the team that bridged him because they wanted to fit other things under the cap. I believe he also wanted to be captain and they didn’t give it to him.

I’ve said numerous times I think eventually Brady could run out of patience and want out, but I don’t know why people repeatedly compare him to Matthew. They’re brothers, not clones of each other. And they have different situations and experiences.

I think Matthew and Keith are probably the two most alike, but let's not kid ourselves that both are in Brady ear.

I'm all for people doing what's best for them. I just wish Keith and Matthew would stop making public indications about what they want for Brady. It's unprofessional.

 

[PlayOn]

Lol c'mon, obviously. Winning makes anyone happy. We're going on 8 years of doing the opposite of that though, and it's still probably gonna be a bit longer before the mess is fully cleaned up.

The clock has been ticking for the Tkachuks and is gonna run out sooner than people clearly care to admit is what I'm saying.

I’ve said numerous times I think he’ll want to leave if we miss the playoffs again. With all the denials from the org, hopefully he is more committed than I give him credit for, but who knows.

My point was really just that Keith’s comments or how Brady felt being drafted here aren’t really relevant today. His feelings obviously changed and they can change again in wanting to leave — holding him to a feeling he had in 2018 is just besides the point imo.

 

[milkbag]

I wasn't really meaning the hockey side of it. That's still a battle. Same crest, and the hockey side is a slow climb, but the organization was a train wreck under Melnyk on and off the ice and it was well known publicly. Can't imagine it was at all an appealing situation to be drafted onto a team that was a mess of drama every other week and wasn't a serious, professional operation.

Andlauer has spent to the cap this year and last which is a huge change for the team. Can't expect to compete in this league without at least that. Also haven't seen them selling draft picks for financial considerations either, which is a big change. Heatley, Leeder & Alfie welcomed back. Arena back on track. Investment and renos on the medical side among others. Various hires.

Im absolutely chuffed with the direction we're headed in and have come to terms with the fact that it's still going to take some time to sort this all out. Regardless, this is the happiest I've been as a Senators fan in a long time. I totally agree with what you're saying when it comes to that.

... But I'm a guy that likes to debate with multiple people at once on hf while on the shitter, shitpost in GDTs, and have all the time in the world to wait this out until we finally get out the basement.

What I'm not is a young professional athlete from a different country who is in his prime, with a very financially and success driven support circle around me. Very different situations clearly, which is why I think the clock is ticking much much faster for one of us in this scenario.

 

[PlayOn]

I think Matthew and Keith are probably the two most alike, but let's not kid ourselves that both are in Brady ear.

I'm all for people doing what's best for them. I just wish Keith and Matthew would stop making public indications about what they want for Brady. It's unprofessional.

Well this is what Brady said just a month ago:

Given how close the Tkachuk family is, it is not surprising to hear or read people draw conclusions regarding the Tkachuks' aspirations and goals. This past offseason, the situation reared its head when American analysts repeatedly suggested that another lost season could lead to Brady's request for a trade.

"It's outside noise," Brady explained when talking about these outside opinions. "The people that bring that up don't really know the ins and outs of knowing us as people or the decisions and thought processes of what we want.

"We're two completely different people. We've had two different paths to where we're at. We're on the right path for ourselves. Everything happens for a reason. Matthew's path happened because it was meant to be. I'm on my path right now. It is meant to be. It's a little bit of both where not many people are in my brain and know (my aspirations) and Matthew's brain as well (to understand) why they've happened."

So crazy thought but maybe Brady can think for himself.

And if he does want to leave, maybe it’s not because his brother told him to.

 

[milkbag]

I’ve said numerous times I think he’ll want to leave if we miss the playoffs again. With all the denials from the org, hopefully he is more committed than I give him credit for, but who knows.

My point was really just that Keith’s comments or how Brady felt being drafted here aren’t really relevant today. His feelings obviously changed and they can change again in wanting to leave — holding him to a feeling he had in 2018 is just besides the point imo.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one as I think it's still relevant when you stand back and look at the bigger picture.

We pretty much share the same thoughts on this other than that though.

 

[Relapsing]

Well this is what Brady said just a month ago:

So crazy thought but maybe Brady can think for himself.

And if he does want to leave, maybe it’s not because his brother told him to.

Im not seeing how anything I've said, and that quote from Brady, are mutually exclusive.

My brother and I talk about stuff all the time, and he has opinions about what I should and shouldn't do, just the same as I have of him. We each choose our own direction, but we still talk about it. I can say the same of my dad too. We're family ffs.

But none of us talk to or make public our feelings about it. All I'm saying is, keep in in the family. Neither Matthew nor Keith have always done that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes he did. He still wasn't thrilled about being drafted by us though, as I pointed out to you in a previous post with concrete proof.



Maybe slip was the wrong word then. He said what he said though. Keep in mind this interview was done after being awarded the captaincy and 8 mil per was given out, to him and his best friend who also got 8 mil which is looking like a pretty dumb contract now.

Of course things are gonna look up after that. I'd love my employer rolling out the red carpet for me too

Ya, I probably wouldn’t like it either if you knew anything about owner.

So Keith said,
Ya I was a little wishy washy when he first got drafted there, but at the end of the day, it ended being the best thing for him.

For a full listen


But I also remember him going out of his way, saying on every podcast he’s been on, how much Brady absolutely loves it there,……
Keith also mentioning new ownership being a huge positive for the team.

 

[milkbag]

Delete, I'm legit just repeating myself at this point

 

[Golden_Jet]

My point has always been that the Tkachuk family was not initially pleased about being selected by us.

Okay, so his tune changed because we backed up the Brinks truck and rolled out the red carpet for him. Keith was still not pleased to be drafted by us, which is what I initially said. Duno how you can all argue against that, it came straight from his mouth.

Your getting a little defensive about the 5-6 words he said, without the proper context of the interview.

Never mentioned what he said in the next 10 words , or the rest thereafter.

The rest of us just looked at it, on the whole of the interview and everything in proper context, nothing more.

 

[milkbag]

Ya, I probably wouldn’t like it either if you knew anything about owner.

So Keith said,
Ya I was a little wishy washy when he first got drafted there, but at the end of the day, it ended being the best thing for him.

For a full listen


But I also remember him going out of his way, saying on every podcast he’s been on, how much Brady absolutely loves it there,……
Keith also mentioning new ownership being a huge positive for the team.

He said pretty wishy washy, not little, if you really wanna split hairs about this.

Very unsurprising that his tune changed. We rolled out the red carpet for him and backed up the Brinks truck for him and his best friend. He was made the youngest captain in franchise history and can absolutely pad his stats by not being held accountable defensively. Of course it's the best thing for him, and for future contracts.

That initial feeling of not being pleased to be drafted by us, which is my original point, will always stand though.

You are so desperate for a gotcha moment, your whole schtick on these boards, that you're arguing against something that we can both hear and see come out of Keith's mouth. Who cares if his tune changed? Doesn't change the fact they weren't happy about where Brady landed at first

New ownership is great for everyone but, as I've said, I don't believe the Tkachuks have the same amount of patience.

 

[PlayOn]

Im not seeing how anything I've said, and that quote from Brady, are mutually exclusive.

My brother and I talk about stuff all the time, and he has opinions about what I should and shouldn't do, just the same as I have of him. We each choose our own direction, but we still talk about it. I can say the same of my dad too. We're family ffs.

But none of us talk to or make public our feelings about it. All I'm saying is, keep in in the family. Neither Matthew nor Keith have always done that.

The quote is Brady saying that people don’t know what he’s thinking now or what Matthew was thinking then, all while people in this thread claim to know that Keith and Matthew are in Brady’s ear or what Brady wants. The reason this discussion keeps happening is because people can’t separate the Tkachuks from one another.

Keith and Matthew have never said anything on Brady’s behalf. Keith said HE wasn’t sure about Ottawa when Brady was drafted here, and he also said it was a blessing in disguise. Matthew liked a social media post. Maybe he just wanted to give Brady more attention.

I don’t pretend to know how anyone feels about Brady being in Ottawa. I just think a lot of the “he’s a Tkachuk” analysis is lazy.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He said pretty wishy washy, not little, if you really wanna split hairs about this.

Very unsurprising that his tune changed. We backed up the Brinks truck and rolled out the red carpet for him. He was made the youngest captain in franchise history and can absolutely pad his stats by not being held accountable defensively. Of course it's the best thing for him, and for future contracts.

That initial feeling of not being pleased to be drafted by us, which is my original point, will always stand though.

New ownership is great for everyone but, as I've said, I don't believe the Tkachuks have the same amount of patience.

Brink’s truck lol

Do you think he is overpaid? I don’t,
lots of teams would pay him more if they could.

Obvious your mind is made up, with the Brink’s truck hyperbole.

Agree to disagree then.

 

[milkbag]

Brink’s truck lol

Do you think he is overpaid? I don’t,
lots of teams would pay him more if they could.

Obvious your mind is made up, with the Brink’s truck hyperbole.

Agree to disagree then.

Never said he's overpaid, nor do I dislike Brady as a player just to be perfectly clear. I'm very happy to have him and will be bummed when he leaves.

 

[Relapsing]

The quote is Brady saying that people don’t know what he’s thinking now or what Matthew was thinking then, all while people in this thread claim to know that Keith and Matthew are in Brady’s ear or what Brady wants. The reason this discussion keeps happening is because people can’t separate the Tkachuks from one another.

Keith and Matthew have never said anything on Brady’s behalf. Keith said HE wasn’t sure about Ottawa when Brady was drafted here, and he also said it was a blessing in disguise. Matthew liked a social media post. Maybe he just wanted to give Brady more attention.

I don’t pretend to know how anyone feels about Brady being in Ottawa. I just think a lot of the “he’s a Tkachuk” analysis is lazy.

Matthew Tkachuk on brother Brady's contract talks: 'They're not too close'

In an interview for 31 Thoughts: The Podcast, Matthew Tkachuk says a contract extension for his brother Brady isn’t close to being announced.

www.sportsnet.ca

And just in case you don't want to click the link, because you apparently know better and stuff, here's the quote:

In Ottawa, Brady Tkachuk is the last remaining RFA and, according to his brother Matthew, perhaps a contract extension isn’t about to be announced.

“I’m in the mix. I’m always there,” Matthew told Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman in an interview for 31 Thoughts: The Podcast. “It’s a family business. Nobody wants to deal with the Tkachuks in this. But we do it by committee.

“Brady might be…he’s doing great,” Matthew teased, before giving his opinion on the progress of negotiations between Brady and the Senators.

“He might be pulling a classic Tkachuk right now. Dad held out, Matthew held out, and Brady looks like he’s on his way right now. So hopefully it can get figured out here. But it’s just a lot of fake stuff out there regarding this. They’re not too close. So hopefully it gets figured out, but who knows? My dad and I are definitely involved. Brady needs us to help him out with that stuff. He wasn’t as cutthroat as we were during it, but he’s starting to become more of a Tkachuk the later this goes.”
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How's that for lazy analysis, buttercup?

Hold my beer? I'm gonna go take a nap in a sunny hammock. All this quoting people is hard work yo.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Matthew Tkachuk on brother Brady's contract talks: 'They're not too close'

In an interview for 31 Thoughts: The Podcast, Matthew Tkachuk says a contract extension for his brother Brady isn’t close to being announced.

www.sportsnet.ca

And just in case you don't want to click the link, because you apparently know better and stuff, here's the quote:

In Ottawa, Brady Tkachuk is the last remaining RFA and, according to his brother Matthew, perhaps a contract extension isn’t about to be announced.

“I’m in the mix. I’m always there,” Matthew told Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman in an interview for 31 Thoughts: The Podcast. “It’s a family business. Nobody wants to deal with the Tkachuks in this. But we do it by committee.

“Brady might be…he’s doing great,” Matthew teased, before giving his opinion on the progress of negotiations between Brady and the Senators.

“He might be pulling a classic Tkachuk right now. Dad held out, Matthew held out, and Brady looks like he’s on his way right now. So hopefully it can get figured out here. But it’s just a lot of fake stuff out there regarding this. They’re not too close. So hopefully it gets figured out, but who knows? My dad and I are definitely involved. Brady needs us to help him out with that stuff. He wasn’t as cutthroat as we were during it, but he’s starting to become more of a Tkachuk the later this goes.”
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How's that for lazy analysis, buttercup?

Hold my beer? I'm gonna go take a nap in a sunny hammock. All this quoting people is hard work yo.

Before your nap, could you also give the full quote what Brady said about his brother, and being two different people.
So we can have the full context.

 

[Relapsing]

Before your nap, could you also give the full quote what Brady said about his brother, and being two different people.
So we can have the full context.

You mean the one a few posts up that you already liked?

Anyways, the statement was that Matthew has never said anything on Brady behalf, which simply isn't true.

 

[PlayOn]

Matthew Tkachuk on brother Brady's contract talks: 'They're not too close'

In an interview for 31 Thoughts: The Podcast, Matthew Tkachuk says a contract extension for his brother Brady isn’t close to being announced.

www.sportsnet.ca

And just in case you don't want to click the link, because you apparently know better and stuff, here's the quote:

In Ottawa, Brady Tkachuk is the last remaining RFA and, according to his brother Matthew, perhaps a contract extension isn’t about to be announced.

“I’m in the mix. I’m always there,” Matthew told Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman in an interview for 31 Thoughts: The Podcast. “It’s a family business. Nobody wants to deal with the Tkachuks in this. But we do it by committee.

“Brady might be…he’s doing great,” Matthew teased, before giving his opinion on the progress of negotiations between Brady and the Senators.

“He might be pulling a classic Tkachuk right now. Dad held out, Matthew held out, and Brady looks like he’s on his way right now. So hopefully it can get figured out here. But it’s just a lot of fake stuff out there regarding this. They’re not too close. So hopefully it gets figured out, but who knows? My dad and I are definitely involved. Brady needs us to help him out with that stuff. He wasn’t as cutthroat as we were during it, but he’s starting to become more of a Tkachuk the later this goes.”
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How's that for lazy analysis, buttercup?

Hold my beer? I'm gonna go take a nap in a sunny hammock. All this quoting people is hard work yo.

Let me rephrase: I don’t think at any point in time Keith nor Matthew has expressed anything that indicates that Brady did not or does not want to be in Ottawa. They have actually done the opposite. Matthew trying to move contract negotiations along doesn’t change my point, which is:

A) Neither have indicated they want Brady out of here. They might, but publicly neither has said that. And neither have ever said Brady wants that either.

B) Even if they do, Brady is not them. Assuming he will make a choice because Matthew made it IS lazy analysis imo.

In regards to the contract negotiations comments, even Keith said he didn’t agree and I quote “it’s Brady’s life”.

So this started with you saying:

For real though, is anyone under the illusion that the Tkachuks #1 priority isn't themselves? It's fine, I totally get it.

This conversation has gone in too many circles when all I was really saying is the Tkachuks are different people, Matthew’s priorities may not be Brady’s and vice versa.

 

[Relapsing]

Let me rephrase: I don’t think at any point in time Keith nor Matthew has expressed anything that indicates that Brady did not or does not want to be in Ottawa.

Ah, gotcha. So when you said this

Keith and Matthew have never said anything on Brady’s behalf

You really didn't actually mean it.

Assuming he will make a choice because Matthew made it IS lazy analysis imo.

If that's your takeaway, all the power to ya man. I think 95% of NHL players primarily look out for themselves, otherwise we'd see a lot more discount contracts to keep contention windows open.

 

[PlayOn]

Ah, gotcha. So when you said this

You really didn't actually mean it.

This is a childish conversation if I’m being honest. I told you what I meant, because I was having the conversation in the context of how Brady feels about playing in Ottawa. I expanded in the next two sentences. I can see how it could’ve been taken generally, so I clarified.

But have fun with your nap!

 

[Relapsing]

This is a childish conversation if I’m being honest. I told you what I meant, because I was having the conversation in the context of how Brady feels about playing in Ottawa. I expanded in the next two sentences. I can see how it could’ve been taken generally, so I clarified.

But have fun with your nap!

Buddy, we're talking on a forum about divining the intentions of a millionaire that gets paid to play a game on ice for our amusement.

What about any of this isn't childish? It's all meant to not be taken that seriously. It's utterly absurd, and that's why I love it.

Peace from the couch!

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Brady isn't leaving Ottawa. The one thing the Tkachuk clan loves is control, and Brady gets more of it here than anywhere else in the league. Brady is king here, and that's something he won't get in any other organization.

 

[Senscore]

I don't know if I can trust a guy who won't punch his brother in the face

 

[OD99]

Bookmark this and I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.

Not my thing.

I like the discussion and know I will be wrong plenty, and right enough to keep letting me believe I know more than I do.

No point going back in time to revisit opinions on this stuff.

I say he STAYS at least until the end of his contract. If we make the playoffs this year or next, with big strides to being a consistent playoff team, then he re-signs.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Well everyone’s #1 priority is themselves. But I don’t think Matthew and Brady are identical people.

Matthew said himself that he wanted to sign long-term in Calgary and it was the team that bridged him because they wanted to fit other things under the cap. I believe he also wanted to be captain and they didn’t give it to him.

I’ve said numerous times I think eventually Brady could run out of patience and want out, but I don’t know why people repeatedly compare him to Matthew. They’re brothers, not clones of each other. And they have different situations and experiences.

It’s funny because Matthew already said that it was he and his dad that were more cut throat, and that Brady was more like their mom.

He’s done nothing to give the impression that he is somehow a threat to force his way off the team. That’s more fan myth based of the behaviour of other people he’s related too. It’s strange, it’s like some fans don’t have any siblings or family that they differ from in key ways.

I guess the idea of Brady being traded to me is basically giving up on this core, and I’m not prepared to do that yet.