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Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

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Golden_Jet said:
So a higher than the NHL average,
higher than his career average, ya seems good for a volume shooter from anywhere.
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So when you say higher than NHL average, is that for all forwards or the top 6 forwards? Cause if it's for all forwards, it means nothing as that also includes all of the forwards that play on the 3rd/4th lines and don't get PP time. That's why I compared him to the top 6 of the Sens.

I get that he's a high volume shooter, I guess I just appreciate quality over quantity especially when so many plays die on his stick.

I've noticed he tends to increase that style of play when they get behind so I get it. He's trying to score to get them back in the game. I know he's not being selfish but he's not a pure goal scorer and he takes a lot of low percentage shots so it usually doesn't work out the way he wants it to.
 
PlayOn said:
No disagreement there.

At the end of the day, the Sens existed before Brady Tkachuk and they will exist after him. The situation is what it is. My preference is to move forward with him, I don’t think he’s on board and there’s nothing we can really do about that assuming this season doesn’t turn around. It’s not the end of the world, but I don’t know why people convince themselves the only possible outcome of trading Brady is positive - there’s plenty of opportunity for this to make things even harder.

Hopefully if we do have to move him, we can get a strong return and turn this ship around.
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If the Sens trade Tkachuk they’ll get more then the Oilers did for Wayne
 
Micklebot said:
And this doesn't even account for the game changing impact big hits can have on games, we saw it all the time with Neil, guys play bigger when they have guys that will have their back on the team.
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I m sure Timmy plays a little free-er knowing that Brady is beside him and has his back.
 
DueDiligence said:
34.6 % is not elite it's lucky. He wont sustain that over the season.
And Brady only is intense when the team is???? Complete nonsense.
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I said when the team comes out flat, he does too. There have been a few games where they all came out flat, especially in the 1st periods. Is he more intense than the rest of the roster? Yes.
 
LiseL said:
I said when the team comes out flat, he does too. There have been a few games where they all came out flat, especially in the 1st periods. Is he more intense than the rest of the roster? Yes.
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I don't equate flat or listless with Brady. He may have brainfarts but it's rarely to do with him not being in the game. But some of his teammates? That's the million dollar question.
 
h2 said:
Brady Tkachuk is a hell of a piece to have in a core going forward, I just don't think we have the right pieces to compliment him well at all. Poorly constructed roster by Dorion. I think we'd be in a decent spot had we kept our 1sts from the Duchene/DeBrincat/Chychrun trades. Too much top draft capital spent on literally nothing (with a future 1st still to be surrendered to the NHL).
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And there's no way of surrounding him with those pieces before his NMC kicks in as the players you'd want to trade won't bring back much in value and they have nothing of great value in the prospect pool. IMO, Brady is a good player, but I don't consider him a franchise player you build around. For me, that is Stu. And I'm not Brady bashing, just saying that I don't see a way of improving this team in a significant way during his contract timeframe. But what do I know?
 
LiseL said:
And there's no way of surrounding him with those pieces before his NMC kicks in as the players you'd want to trade won't bring back much in value and they have nothing of great value in the prospect pool. IMO, Brady is a good player, but I don't consider him a franchise player you build around. For me, that is Stu. And I'm not Brady bashing, just saying that I don't see a way of improving this team in a significant way during his contract timeframe. But what do I know?
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I don't 100% disagree with this. I think we've largely squandered the opportunity to build a team that compliments Brady's style. I don't see how we rectify this unless we pull off 3-4 more Ullmark type trades at other positions. That's a tall order for Steve and I don't envy the position Dorion left him.

I think we're going to be stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. We exited this rebuild way too prematurely before it was ready.
 
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coladin said:
This is entirely too funny. There are so many issues on this team, in no particular order:

Ullmark poor start
Pinto terrible
Sanderson terrible
Amadio terrible
Cousins terrible

But let's pick on the guy who contributes every night because he is not perfect
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Some people call me a hater because I wish he'd be just as focused on preventing a goal as he is on scoring a goal. Maybe it'll happen, who knows?

Also, is he as fragile as the rest of the group? I think so as his play when they score 1st is very different from his play when they get scored on. He too reverts back to playing an individual game. Yes, he is intense and works hard, but is he the person that can lead this fragile core out of their funk? For me, that's the question mark.
 
they should never separate the Brady-Norris-Batherson line.

Brady can be bad at D and it won't hurt as much since Norris is a stud defensively.

Feel like it is our only consistently good line too, not sure why its not a default.

Sucks for Stutzle though since he gets no one to play with.
 
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Micklebot said:
Problem here is not all hits are equal, a hit from Tkachuk is not the same as a hit from Chabot. It's a bit like comparing Corsi attempts to HDCF.

Physical teams that hit hard wear down the opposition. We used to get lots of hits, but outside of Brady, you wouldn't call us a heavy hitting team. Not everything can be measured in advance stats, but you hear former NHL dmen like York talk about what it was like to play against teams that had guys like Brady coming down at them and it's quite evident why teams covet players like that.

And this doesn't even account for the game changing impact big hits can have on games, we saw it all the time with Neil, guys play bigger when they have guys that will have their back on the team.
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Not everything can be measured by advanced stats, but tangible stats hold more weight in conversations about examining on-ice success. Former NHL players say a lot of things, but anecdotes can only provide so much nuance, especially when they don't match up with whatever stats we do have available. Teams can covet players like Tkachuk, but right now, neither his hitting nor other teams' hitting is related to his career success. Hitting is important, but it's purely complimentary and a smaller piece of the puzzle.

Hits can also have a game-changing impact, but compared to goals & assists, their influence is subjective and not consistent across the boards for them to be an important factor. Very Neil's hits don't contribute to team success as much as the great scoring, solid D, and above average D we had during his tenure here.

Teams covet smarts players who are good at fundamental hockey (high scoring, defensively responsible, high IQ), and if we get those if we move Tkachuk, we'll be fine.

Agent Zuuuub said:
they should never separate the Brady-Norris-Batherson line.

Brady can be bad at D and it won't hurt as much since Norris is a stud defensively.

Feel like it is our only consistently good line too, not sure why its not a default.

Sucks for Stutzle though since he gets no one to play with.
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Brady Norris Bath was the best line reunion last night.

Was awesome watching those three together, and I hope they're glued together the rest of the season. Stu can create offense on his own. Norris lets Brady play his game and Bath compliments them too.
 
DackellDuck said:
nypost.com

Messy Jacob Trouba breakup is just the start of Rangers overhaul

Excising Trouba takes care of one issue but Drury has spent the week in trade talks with The Post learning that Ottawa’s Brady Tkachuk has become the Rangers’ primary target.
nypost.com nypost.com

*Behind paywall

Larry Brooks says Brady Tkachuk has become the Rangers’ primary target as they look to overhaul their team.
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Man, if I'm Staois, I'm pissed that Drury is putting this shit in Larry Brooks' ear. It's tantamount to tampering.

"Keep my captain's name out of your f***ing mouth"
 
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Senator Stanley said:
Man, if I'm Staois, I'm pissed that Drury is putting this shit in Larry Brooks' ear. It's tantamount to tampering.

"Keep my captain's name out of your f***ing mouth"
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It’s concerning. You don’t want it to pique Brady’s interest before the NMC kicks in.

“You mean I can go play in a major US market, probably be captain, sit courtside at Knicks games on off days and be close to my wife’s family..?”
 
DackellDuck said:
It’s concerning. You don’t want it to pique Brady’s interest before the NMC kicks in.

“You mean I can go play in a major US market, probably be captain, sit courtside at Knicks games on off days and be close to my wife’s family..?”
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This kind of stuff happens all the time in the NBA. It's tampering laundered through media mouthpieces.

Maybe this is coming down from Dolan, who knows all the NBA games, or maybe Drury is doing it on his own. Whatever the case is, it's deliberate.
 
Trouba imminently on his way out from the Rangers presents an interesting off-season scenario.

Brady would fit like a glove there, and would scoop up the C in a heartbeat. New York would absolutely be willing to pay up for that opportunity, and Ottawa would have a tonne of leverage if a deal were to be on the table.

I'd look into it if I were GMSS. Could have the makings of another Yashin-style trade.
 
if brady can't handle being the captain of the Senators what makes him the guy who is going to be captain on the New York Rangers lol
 
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