Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think Brady will score the points that some of us want when he enters his prime/has a centre in his prime, kinda of like Landeskog. I don't know if anyone expected Landeskog to ever be a ppg player, but look at him now.

Tkachuk is far more unique than Landeskog, Lando plays better 2 way game but is not nearly as authoritative as Tkachuk. Tkachuk is rock em and sock up with 60+ point pace at 22 being top 5 in hits among ALL skaters.

His defensive game last game was exceptional. Disrupted several chances. What an absolute monster he, Norris and Batherson will be. When he bullied 3 games while maintain control of the puck with one hand... small foreshadowing of the glory days to come.

 

[NyQuil]

On the topic of hitting less, I will say that early in the game there was a play where Tkachuk basically ceded any chance of possession of the puck in favour of laying a tremendous hit on defenceman Niko Mikkola (IIRC).

Mike Johnson commented at the time on how it might have cost him a potential scoring chance early but that it would have an impact over the entire course of the game.

Mikkola was singled out by Blues posters for playing a poor game.

I don't think Tkachuk has to hit everything in sight but I do think that his physicality can make a difference. In a playoff series, even more so, as the hitting becomes cumulative.

None of my favourite players have ever been physical players, so it's not like I idealize that style of play, but I do think that it's a rarer skill set (in today's game) among top 6 forwards than finesse play and that we are lucky to have a player capable of it.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Tkachuk with 3 steals & several big hits in the first period of the Blues game, then hits a post & draws a penalty. And still leading the team in scoring.

We've also seen plenty of examples where he hits & separates the opposing player from the puck & results in stealing the puck, a chance on net & they score. It goes both ways & every coach in the NHL preaches players to finish their checks. This is what we see from the Sens when they are playing well they are hitting all over the ice like they were last night.

You're like the definition of seeing what you wanna see lol. He had "several big hits in the first period" but only credited with 2 hits all game on the official stat sheet??? Also, they were outhit, according to the same stat sheet, by the Blues last night - 24 to 22. Some of the stuff you say is so obviously biased to what you want to see as opposed to what you actually see. Is there no room to be a bit more moderate in your takes? Maybe something based on a combination of actual facts and opinion rather than exclusively opinion?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Another dominant game from the captain, Norris was really going as well. It’s great to see Brady and Josh clicking again before Batherson returns.

Stu was all over the place as well. I think him and Formy need to read the game a bit better. So many times I see each guy shoot when he should pass to the other, and pass to the other when he should shoot. I swear those two could have tons of points playing together.

 

[Icelevel]

Yeah tkachuk beast mode emerging

 

[Micklebot]

You're like the definition of seeing what you wanna see lol. He had "several big hits in the first period" but only credited with 2 hits all game on the official stat sheet??? Also, they were outhit, according to the same stat sheet, by the Blues last night - 24 to 22. Some of the stuff you say is so obviously biased to what you want to see as opposed to what you actually see. Is there no room to be a bit more moderate in your takes? Maybe something based on a combination of actual facts and opinion rather than exclusively opinion?

He posted that right after the first period of the game, and both Tkachuks official hits were in the first. One of them was definitely a big one, the colour commented on it and it was highlighted in the replays

 

[coladin]

You have to think St. Louis fans must be wistful. Plays like dad, but craftier and way more skilled.

 

[TheDebater]

So as I try and follow along here, the argument has gonef from: Brady is very overpaid --> Brady doesn't score enough---> Brady hits too much ---> ??

 

[bert]

You're like the definition of seeing what you wanna see lol. He had "several big hits in the first period" but only credited with 2 hits all game on the official stat sheet??? Also, they were outhit, according to the same stat sheet, by the Blues last night - 24 to 22. Some of the stuff you say is so obviously biased to what you want to see as opposed to what you actually see. Is there no room to be a bit more moderate in your takes? Maybe something based on a combination of actual facts and opinion rather than exclusively opinion?

Speaking of seeing what you want to see, id love to hear your perspective on Parker Kellys game lately.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

So as I try and follow along here, the argument has gonef from: Brady is very overpaid --> Brady doesn't score enough---> Brady hits too much ---> ??

Naw more like the captain of the team should play more like he did last night instead of floating defensively and turning pucks over like he was the previous 20 games.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Speaking of seeing what you want to see, id love to hear your perspective on Parker Kellys game lately.

He's actually been playing really well the last few games, relative to his role of course. Doesn't change the fact that he's a very replaceable player and will probably be a guy without much of an NHL career to speak of. But kudos to him for putting some good showings together, I think he's earned the chance to continue getting NHL $ for the rest of the season.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You have to think St. Louis fans must be wistful. Plays like dad, but craftier and way more skilled.

Whoa there!!

Keith was a 4-time 40 goal and 2-time 50 goal scorer in the NHL. And he was feared more than Brady at his peak (Brady's still a kid). Not sure that Brady is more skilled or ever will be. I'm sure STL would love to have him though. He was great last night.

 

[Bileur]

He posted that right after the first period of the game, and both Tkachuks official hits were in the first. One of them was definitely a big one, the colour commented on it and it was highlighted in the replays

First shift he had a big one Parayko (IIRC).

 

[Micklebot]

First shift he had a big one Parayko (IIRC).

Yes, I think that's the one they replayed, went out of his way to get a better angle for a big hit instead of sealing up the boards and squeezing him out.

 

[Answer]

On the topic of hitting less, I will say that early in the game there was a play where Tkachuk basically ceded any chance of possession of the puck in favour of laying a tremendous hit on defenceman Niko Mikkola (IIRC).

Mike Johnson commented at the time on how it might have cost him a potential scoring chance early but that it would have an impact over the entire course of the game.

Mikkola was singled out by Blues posters for playing a poor game.

I don't think Tkachuk has to hit everything in sight but I do think that his physicality can make a difference. In a playoff series, even more so, as the hitting becomes cumulative.

None of my favourite players have ever been physical players, so it's not like I idealize that style of play, but I do think that it's a rarer skill set (in today's game) among top 6 forwards than finesse play and that we are lucky to have a player capable of it.

Here is what I think. Tkachuk needs to assert his physicality in and around the net and while protecting the puck in the offensive zone. That is how he can wear down the opposition rather trying to hit everything.

Your best/top line players need to hit less and focus more on offense .

 

[Alfie11]

So as I try and follow along here, the argument has gonef from: Brady is very overpaid --> Brady doesn't score enough---> Brady hits too much ---> ??

Yes.

It's also the Bench Chabot thing. Team is bad, so trash the teams top players. Of course that misses the point that the team isn't bad because of its good players playing poorly but because it doesn't have nearly enough good players.

 

[OD99]

He posted that right after the first period of the game, and both Tkachuks official hits were in the first. One of them was definitely a big one, the colour commented on it and it was highlighted in the replays

And that stuff is so subjective...just like the FO% stat (and plenty of others).

I missed the first 10 mins of the game and certainly wouldn't believe Brady didn't make a hit all night.

But I agree with @Answer in that Brady will have the most success by being physical around the puck. He had one play last night that was crazy. He basically took out 2 Blues players and then fought for and controlled the puck then made a beauty, smart pass...took not time at all but not sure many other players could have made that play.

 

[Korpse]

First shift he had a big one Parayko (IIRC).

Speaking of Tkachuk and Parayko. Tkachuk gave him fits last night, not something you'll see very often.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Speaking of Tkachuk and Parayko. Tkachuk gave him fits last night, not something you'll see very often.

At all.

This is not even Tkachuk's final form. I consider him still quite weak for the game he could play due to greater physical maturity. At 24-28, he'll be unstoppable faceoff circles and down.

 

[TheDebater]

Captain Tkachuk, in what most of us can probably agree is not going to be looked back on as one of his "best seasons", is still leading the team in points with 46 in 61 games played, which is a 62 point pace over 82 games.

46 points is also a career high, in less games played, which is to be expected 4 years into his young career.

I used to think that 65-70 points per season for Brady would be his ceiling, but considering he missed camp, started the season late, and is playing on a shitty team overall while still maintaining a 30 goal 60+ point pace, then it is very safe to say that in a year or two, Brady will be flirting with 75-80 points seasons and 30-35 goals easily. Especially with a healthy line-up that hopefully includes a full season with Batherson.

 

[cudi]

Lucky to have him here for as long as we do.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Captain Tkachuk, in what most of us can probably agree is not going to be looked back on as one of his "best seasons", is still leading the team in points with 46 in 61 games played, which is a 62 point pace over 82 games.

46 points is also a career high, in less games played, which is to be expected 4 years into his young career.

I used to think that 65-70 points per season for Brady would be his ceiling, but considering he missed camp, started the season late, and is playing on a shitty team overall while still maintaining a 30 goal 60+ point pace, then it is very safe to say that in a year or two, Brady will be flirting with 75-80 points seasons and 30-35 goals easily. Especially with a healthy line-up that hopefully includes a full season with Batherson.

more than that league wide scoring is going crazy. 70 points and even PPG isn't what it used to be.

- multiple defenceman on pace for 90+ points

-already 5 40 goal scorers and there are 20+ guys it seems that are on that pace.

-have to be flirting with ppg just to be top 50 in scoring.

I think we have to re-evaluate our point projections for all our guys,

 

[TheDebater]

more than that league wide scoring is going crazy. 70 points and even PPG isn't what it used to be.

- multiple defenceman on pace for 90+ points

-already 5 40 goal scorers and there are 20+ guys it seems that are on that pace.

-have to be flirting with ppg just to be top 50 in scoring.

I think we have to re-evaluate our point projections for all our guys,

All the more likely then that in two or three years, Brady's $8 million dollar cap hit will look like a huge bargain, relative to the rest of the league.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

All the more likely then that in two or three years, Brady's $8 million dollar cap hit will look like a huge bargain, relative to the rest of the league.

hopefully. right now it feels like just being near PPG is the baseline for a first line forward.

 

[BankStreetParade]

All the more likely then that in two or three years, Brady's $8 million dollar cap hit will look like a huge bargain, relative to the rest of the league.

We'll judge him on his salary like we are this year and hopefully he'll be a $10.5M forward by then.