Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[BankStreetParade]

The bottom line is some of you want $8 million dollar Brady to score 70+ points and be better defensively, whereas most of us want Brady to score maybe 60+ points but constantly be the force that he is on the ice so that this team does not get walked on.

This is actually very short sighted, and never in my post did I claim that physicality is more important than offensive and defense.

Just in case you missed where you literally said you'd rather Brady produce less but be a physical force than produce more/defend better and be less physical. Anyway, conversation over. I'm not going to waste time having a discussion with someone who's opinion consists entirely of their feelings about the player and not actual facts.

 

[Answer]

I'm in this position as well.

That's why I'm not sure why there's such a disconnect. I've admitted time and again that he's overpaid to the tune of $800K to $1.2M or $1.5M. It's done.

What would you expect from a $7M player? He's still leading the team in scoring and that's without his pivot and lead playmaker.

In short, he's not going to magically turn into an offensive catalyst. His offence will always be complementary to some extent.

I know there are posters here who do not believe that his physical style brings any benefit to the team, I tend to differ, and I think it will be proven at some point in the post-season.

There's a lot of arguing going on considering everyone agrees what his offensive ceiling is.

The team isn't giving us any better things to discuss about. Can anyone blame us? We need something to discuss or argue about.

Given how frustrating this team's overall performance has been, everything will turn into an argument


There was a time earlier this season, where we did look good that made us think that we finally might be turning the page, but No. We were so bad before that stretch, that things just had to balance it out (as you predicted remember? quoting one of my posts)

And, once things did kind of balance it out, we went back to sucking again.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Coaches are well-known for their enthusiastic shit talking and downplaying of opponents to the media, so I guess what they're saying has to be what they actually believe, right?
Meanwhile, every coach about every team they play: "They're a tough team to play against and we'll have to stick to our gameplan. We've gotta do a good job neutralizing [insert name of star player(s)], get off to a good start and play a full 60 minutes."

Right, as opposed to an internet posters.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Right, as opposed to an internet posters.

Must be really tough to play against a team that's routinely out-played, out-chanced, out-possessed and out-scored. Nick Schmaltz had to go through hell to get those 7 points against us a few nights ago. Seriously, what games are you watching???

 

[Golden_Jet]

Must be really tough to play against a team that's routinely out-played, out-chanced, out-possessed and out-scored. Nick Schmaltz had to go through hell to get those 7 points against us a few nights ago. Seriously, what games are you watching???

Lmao, nice goal post move,

 

[BankStreetParade]

Lmao, nice goal post move,

I suppose you're saying words but they don't really mean anything so I guess you're not really saying anything at all. Get some more quotes of coaches saying generic things about their opponents so we can all puff out our chests pretending that the Sens are actually a tough team to play against...because hits.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I suppose you're saying words but they don't really mean anything so I guess you're not really saying anything at all. Get some more quotes of coaches saying generic things about their opponents so we can all puff out our chests pretending that the Sens are actually a tough team to play against...because hits.

It’s more than hits, but I get it, you prefer figure skating it sounds like, for your teams, and that’s fine, if you like that hockey.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I swear some people want to be "right" on their opinions on players more than they want their favorite team to do well.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Brady has never in his life put up high end numbers at any level, to expect him to start doing it in the NHL is setting yourself up for massive disappointment.

The guys people comparing Brady to like K. Tkachuk, Iginla, Benn, M. Tkachuk etc were elite producers at every level.

I'm not saying he can't get better. But he would need to improve his skating, balance, hands, shot, pass execution by a significant margin. Which he could, but its a lot to ask for.

Benn's production at the junior level wasn't insanely high though. This was his production in his draft year, D+1 and D+2 seasons:
D Year: BCHL 53 GP 42 G 23 A 65 PTS
D+1 Year: WHL 51 GP 33 G 32 A 65 PTS
D+2 Year: WHL 56 GP 46 G 36 A 82 PTS
Then in his D+2 season at the WJC he put up 6 GP 4 G 2 A 6 PTS

Given Tkachuk's production as the WJC, USNTDP/USHL and then his production in the NHL in his D+1 and D+2 season it doesn't seem like it would be that unreasonable to expect similar production to Benn if he had gone the CHL route those two seasons instead of playing in the NHL.

This then creates a real question about what was it about Benn specifically and his development that allowed him to have such high production at the NHL level 7 seasons after being drafted? Maybe it is an anomaly or there isn't a solid explanation behind it but it is worth thinking about. This then relates to Tkachuk, if Benn could achieve that peak 7 seasons after being drafted then what is it about Tkachuk or his development that prevents the possibility of such an outcome?

Zibanejad is another example of a player whose junior level production doesn't seem to predict what his NHL production has eventually become. There are lots of examples of players like this so it really opens up a lot of questions about what lead to that outcome. Can we understand these situations well enough to predict when it might happen again in the future? Is there something about their development process that can be emulated so that other players can achieve similar leaps in production? What are the relevant factors and how can we know when that can be achieved with certain players and when it can't?

 

[TheDebater]

Just in case you missed where you literally said you'd rather Brady produce less but be a physical force than produce more/defend better and be less physical. Anyway, conversation over. I'm not going to waste time having a discussion with someone who's opinion consists entirely of their feelings about the player and not actual facts.

Now you are just twisting my words around but so be it, I am not going to sit here and explain how an all around player who can dominate physically is more attractive than a one dimensional player who can only put up points.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Now you are just twisting my words around but so be it, I am not going to sit here and explain how an all around player who can dominate physically is more attractive than a one dimensional player who can only put up points.

How can you be all around while being a complimentary offensive player and bad defensively?

That is the opposite of all-round.

 

[TheDebater]

How can you be all around while being a complimentary offensive player and bad defensively?

That is the opposite of all-round.

You realize all of this started because you and a couple of others cannot get over Tkachuk's contract, which has not even kicked in yet officially. He is not even getting paid this year what you consider to be a huge overpayment.

We can come back to it in years 3 and 4 of his deal and re-assess whether or not he is still overpaid by more than maybe a million max.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You realize all of this started because you and a couple of others cannot get over Tkachuk's contract, which has not even kicked in yet officially. He is not even getting paid this year what you consider to be a huge overpayment.

We can come back to it in years 3 and 4 of his deal and re-assess whether or not he is still overpaid by more than maybe a million max.

I didn't start anything.

I'm just talking about the performance of a player that plays on my favourite team in a thread created for that very purpose.

and honestly who cares about the contract now, its done and signed.

 

[JungleBeat]

In what league is Brady an all around player?

 

[Answer]

In what league is Brady an all around player?

Dude, he is a franchise player, as per some posters here.

 

[aragorn]

In what league is Brady an all around player?

The NHL where there are 31 other teams that would love to have him.

Tkachuk with 3 steals & several big hits in the first period of the Blues game, then hits a post & draws a penalty. And still leading the team in scoring.

 

[NyQuil]

 

[BankStreetParade]

Best game he's played in at least a month. Checked the stats sheet, 2 hits. It's almost like when he's not running around padding the hits column he's actually a more effective player. Go figure! Hopefully some of you guys were watching tonight to see the difference it makes.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The NHL where there are 31 other teams that would love to have him.

Tkachuk with 3 steals & several big hits in the first period of the Blues game, then hits a post & draws a penalty. And still leading the team in scoring.

Great game, and he certainly was an all around player today. clearly he's capable. did you see his backcheck today and his willingness to get involved defensively? that's what we need.

and like Bank said his hitting was the least important part of his game today. Was creating multiple chances and could have scored multiple while being a difference maker defensively.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Good game Brady

lots of fight, hit at the right times, stayed engaged at the right times, no no-look passes to the other team.

And a goal.

 

[Knave]

Yeah he had a great game. He was a monster on a mission the whole game and then finally got a goal.

 

[bicboi64]

I think Brady will score the points that some of us want when he enters his prime/has a centre in his prime, kinda of like Landeskog. I don't know if anyone expected Landeskog to ever be a ppg player, but look at him now.

 

[Dionysus]

Absolute force out there last night. I believe we will see more games like that as he matures. When he has more skill and scoring around him his assists will pile up as well.

 

[aragorn]

Great game, and he certainly was an all around player today. clearly he's capable. did you see his backcheck today and his willingness to get involved defensively? that's what we need.

and like Bank said his hitting was the least important part of his game today. Was creating multiple chances and could have scored multiple while being a difference maker defensively.

We've also seen plenty of examples where he hits & separates the opposing player from the puck & results in stealing the puck, a chance on net & they score. It goes both ways & every coach in the NHL preaches players to finish their checks. This is what we see from the Sens when they are playing well they are hitting all over the ice like they were last night.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Can his mom/dad come to all of the games? Seems to light a fire.