Rumor: Brady Tkachuk frustrated with the Ottawa Senators

[kp61c]

"almost 22" as in he was 21 the entire season. he doesnt turn 22 until september. trying to make him sound older than he is.

not saying he is better. but saying Kap is better than both by far is pretty dumb.

You are dumb in calling Kaprizov overrated and bringing up his age and pace in order to take him down a notch when comparing to Thachuk.
It's Tkachuk who is overrated because of a big body, intangibles and a feisty dispostion, not Kaprizov. I don't see a lot of untapped potential and can't agree that he will inevitably become a much better player than he is now and that being 2 and a half years older is a big advantage for Kaprizov.
It's also odd to bring up Kaprizov's pace when Tkachuk was on pace that was far worse than Kaprizov's, especially when it was a rookie year for Kaprizov and a third season in the NHL for Tkachuk.
As for "he doesn't turn 22 until September", i agree. It was presumptious of me to call him almost 22 now. We should wait at least till September.

 

[Bevans]

Would you have taken Lucic/Brown over a guy like Kucherov as well?

Irrelevant.

 

[aufheben]

Fans are more interested in the team winning more than seeing the players take retirement contracts after their ELCs

That’s not the reason lol

 

[Korpse]

Would you have taken Lucic/Brown over a guy like Kucherov as well?

Lol at capping Kaprizov at Kucherov while simultaneously capping Tkachuk at Lucic/Brown.

 

[sh724]

I dont get all the comments about Walt being only after the money and playing for whoever offers him the most money regardless of anything else. He really only played for 2 franchises his entire career. He was drafted by the Jets/Yotes then was traded to STL where he spent the rest of his career. Yes he was traded to ATL at the deadline when he was a UFA but went right back to STL (his rights were traded back to STL). At no point in his career did he sign a contract with a team that he wasnt already under contract with

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

My bet is BargainBin tries to offersheet. After all, he was on Montreal's radar but instead drafted KK. Damage control.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

My bet is BargainBin tries to offersheet. After all, he was on Montreal's radar but instead drafted KK. Damage control.

With what cap space? Anything they offer with their cap situation will be matched.

I also don’t think he wants a long-term unless it’s a massive overpayment. Any 3-year deal will be matched.

 

[Not Sure]

Good for them. Make it while you can. I don't understand why people have a problem with it.

I agree, fans need to understand kids a few years into the league are not playing for their childhood favorite team. They are playing for bad teams most of the time and they are pretty much stuck there for 7 years minimum. They don't owe your city or your favorite team anything, this is a job, they want as much as possible wherever that may be and there's nothing wrong with that. Teams aren't handing out extra money because a kid says all the right things to make fans swoon, so why should these kids give home town discounts to teams that aren't their hometown? Makes no sense outside fan logic. You can go tryout for your favorite team and give them a hometown discount, some kid from Sweden could care less.

 

[jcs0218]

If Melnyk refuses to pay Tkachuk and Tkachuk then goes to sign a fair and reasonable contract with another team, then that should be the exact type of thing that turns any Senators fan off from being a fan of that team.

If you are a rebuilding team and you manage to draft a core piece like Tkachuk, then you simply can't allow that player to get away unless they are wanting a contract that is so ridiculous that it isn't worth even discussing.

Otherwise, why be a fan of a team when they aren't even trying to improve or make progress in the rebuilding effort?

I admit that I have a soft spot for Ottawa. I like them as a team.

But why allow yourself to get excited about a team that has Tkachuk, Stutzle, Chabot, Sanderson, Norris, Boucher, Brannstrom, Bernard-Docker, Pinto, etc., when the team will just allow all of those players to walk away once it is time to pay them after the ELC expires?

 

[jcs0218]

You are dumb in calling Kaprizov overrated and bringing up his age and pace in order to take him down a notch when comparing to Thachuk.
It's Tkachuk who is overrated because of a big body, intangibles and a feisty dispostion, not Kaprizov. I don't see a lot of untapped potential and can't agree that he will inevitably become a much better player than he is now and that being 2 and a half years older is a big advantage for Kaprizov.
It's also odd to bring up Kaprizov's pace when Tkachuk was on pace that was far worse than Kaprizov's, especially when it was a rookie year for Kaprizov and a third season in the NHL for Tkachuk.
As for "he doesn't turn 22 until September", i agree. It was presumptious of me to call him almost 22 now. We should wait at least till September.

In regards to what is bolded/underlined:

I personally believe Kaprizov to be overrated. He may be better than Tkachuk, but he is still overrated.

However, the "big body, intangibles, and feisty disposition" that you mentioned shouldn't be overlooked.

The fact is that these qualities are very important and valuable once the playoffs start.

A team with less skill but a higher compete-level will beat a team that is more skilled with no compete-level the majority of the time in a playoff series.

 

[le_sean]

In regards to what is bolded/underlined:

I personally believe Kaprizov to be overrated. He may be better than Tkachuk, but he is still overrated.

However, the "big body, intangibles, and feisty disposition" that you mentioned shouldn't be overlooked.

The fact is that these qualities are very important and valuable once the playoffs start.

A team with less skill but a higher compete-level will beat a team that is more skilled with no compete-level the majority of the time in a playoff series.

But Kaprizov helped turn Minny around and actually made them a playoff team. Can you say Brady has done anything close to that?

 

[jcs0218]

But Kaprizov helped turn Minny around and actually made them a playoff team. Can you say Brady has done anything close to that?

The Wild have always been a bubble team even when not making the playoffs. Kaprizov helped them, but he didn't transform them from a tire-fire to a playoff team.

Ottawa, on the other hand, has been a tire-fire. Ever since they went to Sweden in Fall 2017, started a losing streak, and had the Karlsson/Hoffman issue. They have been a tire-fire ever since.

 

[BurgoShark]

If Melnyk refuses to pay Tkachuk and Tkachuk then goes to sign a fair and reasonable contract with another team, then that should be the exact type of thing that turns any Senators fan off from being a fan of that team.

If you are a rebuilding team and you manage to draft a core piece like Tkachuk, then you simply can't allow that player to get away unless they are wanting a contract that is so ridiculous that it isn't worth even discussing.

Otherwise, why be a fan of a team when they aren't even trying to improve or make progress in the rebuilding effort?

I admit that I have a soft spot for Ottawa. I like them as a team.

But why allow yourself to get excited about a team that has Tkachuk, Stutzle, Chabot, Sanderson, Norris, Boucher, Brannstrom, Bernard-Docker, Pinto, etc., when the team will just allow all of those players to walk away once it is time to pay them after the ELC expires?

Chabot signed an 8 year deal, and Ottawa haven’t had a single player they wanted to keep walk after their ELC. They traded one guy who was a locker room problem (Hoffman) and three who were approaching UFA and were not worth the money they ended up signing for (Karlsson, Duchene, Turris).

Their only regrets would be trading for Duchene in the first place, and letting Stone paint them in to a corner and walk himself to UFA.

There are two guys they traded away who they would gladly take back in to the lineup today (Pageau and Zibenajad) but the situation of each of trades was well known, and neither was coming off their ELC.

 

[jcs0218]

Chabot signed an 8 year deal, and Ottawa haven’t had a single player they wanted to keep walk after their ELC. They traded one guy who was a locker room problem (Hoffman) and three who were approaching UFA and were not worth the money they ended up signing for (Karlsson, Duchene, Turris).

Their only regrets would be trading for Duchene in the first place, and letting Stone paint them in to a corner and walk himself to UFA.

I don't hold the Duchene trade against them, regardless of how bad that turned out.

They made the Conference Finals in 2017. Got off to a good start the next season. Then traded for Duchene.

That can be viewed as a team simply miscalculating where they were as a team and making a trade to go for it.

That is forgivable.

It isn't forgivable when a team is going into a rebuild, then drafting a core piece, and then allowing that player to leave simply because they are too cheap to pay that player.

Unless that player is making ridiculous and unreasonable contract demands, then allowing that player to walk away is unacceptable and is taking a dump on your fans.

Why be a fan of a team that is cheap and spinning its wheels like that?

I grew up near Ottawa. I want that team to do so well. But allowing core/key players to leave because you don't want to pay fair contracts? That is nonsense no fan should accept or support.

 

[ricardfromage]

Wait...

A Tkachuck is whining about their team?

NO!!!!!!!

Like Father like Sons.

 

[Cor]

Marner????

 

[Reality Czech]

Wait...

A Tkachuck is whining about their team?

NO!!!!!!!

Like Father like Sons.

The Tkachuk's are great people and competitors and anyone who says otherwise is flat out wrong. Listen to them in interviews and how they carry themselves. Great family, great guys and the league is much better off with them in it. And of course credit goes to Mama Tkachuk for doing her part as well.

Why so bitter?

 

[Vitto79]

I’d be shocked if they done pay him long term

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Cousin Tom should send Brady an offersheet

 

[TheDoldrums]

Irrelevant is not winning a playoff series since 2004 despite being up against the cap.

You know you're in a Sens thread when people use "your team spends to the cap" as some kind of insult. Got em!

 

[SensFactor]

Expect a deal this upcoming week.

 

[BB06]

Marner????

This would be such a bad trade for leafs and I'm no Marner fan

 

[Golden_Jet]

This would be such a bad trade for leafs and I'm no Marner fan

disagree , exactly what they would need.
Not trading Tkachuk.

 

[The Expert]

What? I'm just commenting how one is a small scoring winger vs the other being albatross power forward types.

Should be an easy decision again?

So confused why they brought up the draft. Who wants to break it to him that Tkachuk and Kaprizov weren't from the same draft year either?

 

[The Expert]

You know you're in a Sens thread when people use "your team spends to the cap" as some kind of insult. Got em!

You know you're talking to a Leafs fan when they don't understand "haven't won a playoff series since 2004" is the insult.