Rumor: Brady Tkachuk frustrated with the Ottawa Senators

[SNES]

The fact they have this much capspace and can't get a deal done is ridiculous.

Is that you Dubas?

 

[Karl Eriksson]

A GM’s initial offers are lower than the player camp wants? Shocking.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Id want to see how much each side is asking/offering before I make any comments

 

[Schemp]

The Tkachucks are hard negotiators and want top dollar, Ottawa is cheap. Will Brady hold out or will Sens pony up?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Brady just needs to be patient and realize the Ottawa Senators are going to grind him down for every penny they can. There have been plenty of Senators players who have done more for Uncle Eugene's team and been treated worse.

Unlikely. Sens have ponied up money on long-term deals for their future studs.

Gave Chabot 8M x 8YRs, Batherson 4.975M x 6YRs and White 4.75M x 6YRs.

Issue is likely that Brady wants a bridge deal like his brother where he can potentially be a UFA at age 25, while the Sens only want to sign him long-term until he's in his late 20s.

That's what has been reported, not penny pinching.

 

[summer tooth]

Will be terrific if Brady can come to Calgary

 

[supsens]

Unlikely. Sens have ponied up money on long-term deals for their future studs.

Gave Chabot 8M x 8YRs, Batherson 4.975M x 6YRs and White 4.75M x 6YRs.

Issue is likely that Brady wants a bridge deal like his brother where he can potentially be a UFA at age 25, while the Sens only want to sign him long-term until he's in his late 20s.

That's what has been reported, not penny pinching.

He is a 50 point player who wants 70 point bridge money. There is zero upside.

 

[Stephen]

Unlikely. Sens have ponied up money on long-term deals for their future studs.

Gave Chabot 8M x 8YRs, Batherson 4.975M x 6YRs and White 4.75M x 6YRs.

Issue is likely that Brady wants a bridge deal like his brother where he can potentially be a UFA at age 25, while the Sens only want to sign him long-term until he's in his late 20s.

That's what has been reported, not penny pinching.

What's Brady's ask on the bridge deal?

 

[Hale The Villain]

What's Brady's ask on the bridge deal?

Don't know the specifics.

But this is what Bruce Garrioch, the Sens organization's mouthpiece, said today:

It’s been stated in this space before the Senators would like to get Tkachuk signed to a long-term contract and award him with the captaincy at the end of camp. The decision by Carolina Hurricanes’ winger Andrei Svechnikov to sign an eight-year deal worth $7.75 million per-season is a strong comparable for the Senators to use with Tkachuk.
Whether or not the Senators and Tkachuk settle on that kind of term remains anybody’s guess.

 

[Frenchy]

Unlikely. Sens have ponied up money on long-term deals for their future studs.

Gave Chabot 8M x 8YRs, Batherson 4.975M x 6YRs and White 4.75M x 6YRs.

Issue is likely that Brady wants a bridge deal like his brother where he can potentially be a UFA at age 25, while the Sens only want to sign him long-term until he's in his late 20s.

That's what has been reported, not penny pinching.

So it's not the Sens fault ? The Sens are willing to give him tons of money on a long term contract ??It's just a player using the media trying to put pressure on his team because he wants more money on a short term deal so he could go play elsewhere ASAP to make even MORE money ? Poor Brady the Sens should be ashamed of themself, trying to keep a player that they like long term .


That Ladies and Gentlemen would be the perfect timing to use the word generational.

 

[Drake1588]

A lot of the details are not really known for certain, and much about the two sides' positions seems to be based on informed speculation from the media. With that said, if the Sens are trying to force him to give up his UFA years, that stinks and I don't like this trend. The player should have the right to do with his free agency what he will; teams should expect players to give their all for constrained earnings up to that point. Then as UFA dates approach, it should be up to the teams to make compelling arguments to players about why they should decide to stay. The player should ultimately get to choose what to do with those years, though.

Again, without details this is all built on shifting sand, but if he's angling for a shorter deal, I hope he gets one. If he's happy with a long deal, but just wants to make sure he gets lots of money, that's great too. I think both sides could make it work, if that's the case. But it should be with his consent once he has put in his years of service.

 

[Hale The Villain]

So it's not the Sens fault ? The Sens are willing to give him tons of money on a long term contract ??It's just a player using the media trying to put pressure on his team because he wants more money on a short term deal so he could go play elsewhere ASAP to make even MORE money ? Poor Brady the Sens should be ashamed of themself, trying to keep a player that they like long term .


That Ladies and Gentlemen would be the perfect timing to use the word generational.

If they are talking about a deal using Svechnikov as a benchmark, somewhere around 7-8M x 8YRs is absolutely tons of money. It's an overpayment for what Brady brings to the table right now. He'll probably never put up the offense you'd want from a player with that kind of salary.

When you consider the captaincy would come with it, it's not a deal Tkachuk should turn down unless he's intent on wanting to get out of Ottawa ASAP like his former landlord and friend Mark Stone, who signed a 3YR bridge on a steal of a salary and then took a 1YR deal to take him to UFA status.

 

[Hale The Villain]

A lot of the details are not really known for certain, and much about the two sides' positions seems to be based on informed speculation from the media. With that said, if the Sens are trying to force him to give up his UFA years, that stinks and I don't like this trend. The player should have the right to do with his free agency what he will; teams should expect players to give their all for constrained earnings up to that point. Then as UFA dates approach, it should be up to the teams to make compelling arguments to players about why they should decide to stay. The player should ultimately get to choose what to do with those years, though.

Again, without details this is all built on shifting sand, but if he's angling for a shorter deal, I hope he gets one. If he's happy with a long deal, just for lots of money, that's great too. I think both sides could make it work, if that's the case. But it should be with his consent once he has put in his years of service.

Sens have no obligation to let Tkachuk become a UFA at 25 and leave the organization as soon as he can.

Don't think anyone should feel bad for Brady that he's only being offered a long-term deal worth 50M+ and the captaincy of the team that drafted him, if that is indeed what the Tkachuk camp is frustrated about.

 

[Drake1588]

Sens have no obligation to let Tkachuk become a UFA at 25 and leave the organization as soon as he can.

Don't think anyone should feel bad for Brady that he's only being offered a long-term deal worth 50M+ and the captaincy of the team that drafted him, if that is indeed what the Tkachuk camp is frustrated about.

You are making an argument that the player should not get to have his free agency at all, that if the drafting team proposes a contract number that is large enough, then the player should just lump it. I do not agree with that logic at all.

If the reports are to be believed, then the Sens are trying to force him to give every one of his prime years to them, no choice, no freedom to make that call himself. His free agency years are supposed to be his to do with what he will.

 

[The don godfather]

So another one bites the dust

 

[Drew311]

You know that cheap bastard Melnyk is trying to get him for 8 x 6M.

 

[centipede2233]

Haha thachuk isn’t taking a 8 yr deal, he will go the bridge deal way like his brother so he can go to stlouis ASAP, err I mean hit ufa ASAP

 

[Hale The Villain]

You are making an argument that the player should not get to have his free agency at all, that if the drafting team proposes a contract number that is large enough, then the player should just lump it. I do not agree with that logic at all.

If the reports are to be believed, then the Sens are trying to force him to give every one of his prime years to them, no choice, no freedom to make that call himself. His free agency years are supposed to be his to do with what he will.

After signing a 7-8M x 8YR contract Brady will have his UFA status at 29 and could leave and go wherever he wants with 50M in his bank account. We're not talking about indentured servitude here.

Sens have no obligation to make him a UFA at 25 just because he wants it. In fact, they have certain rights over Brady's hockey career having spent a top 5 pick on him, hence Brady being a restricted free agent (RFA) and not an unrestricted free agent (UFA). They hold most of the leverage until he reaches or gets closer to UFA status, when players get full rights to decide their own future like where they will play, for how much and how long.

Dorion should make it clear to Brady that if he wants to be a UFA as soon as possible he can take 1YR bridge deals for the next 4 years and make nowhere close to what he would make over the next 4YRs compared to what he'd make if he signed long-term. Make it clear to him there will be a significant cost to become a UFA at 25 instead of the traditional 27-29 and see which he'd prefer.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

There are plenty of great cities in Canada.

But many Americans aren't accustomed to having the government so involved in their daily lives (and the high taxes that go with that, which are even worse as a high earning athlete).

I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to have less government in their life.

I would happily have this conversation with you, but in the interest of keeping the thread on topic (and hfboards' strict policy on political discussion) I will leave it there. But that's a reasonable answer.

 

[McSuper]

American players hate playing in Canada

Canadian players should pull the same crap . 1/2 the teams in the USA would be gone while Canada would add a few more .

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Canadian players should pull the same crap . 1/2 the teams in the USA would be gone while Canada would add a few more .

There’s nothing stopping them from doing that. Well, other than they know it would be foolish.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Think Keith being their agent is hard on teams and wants both kids getting paid big bucks.

Keith better find his own team, or better yet make sure both end up with their team based off where they're born.

 

[SurferBroChad]

The “Karlsson to TB is done” guy btw.

should be taken into consideration

i hate the "player is unhappy" rumor mill that agents start 99% of the time

i get media playing into it, its their job

but fans have to stop biting at every rumor you hear, especially when some of the people reporting these things have been proven wrong in the past.

 

[Runner77]

Thoughts?

Canes prepping another offer sheet.

 

[BusQuets]

Kaprizov +++

Kaprizov is far superior to any Tkachuk.