Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk: Episode 5 - Management Strikes Back

[Masked]

I love Brady and Keith's game

You don't think I'm lumping them together do you?

Have you ever played junior hockey or semi pro hockey to understand that how Mathew plays is gutless and embarassing?

The women's game doesn't include body checking so not sure if your experience is relevant.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

interesting

 

[BondraTime]

Get this guy out of here, complete joker

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Kassian is 100% in the wrong for last night. He lost his cool and took a really bad double minor that cost his team the game. He goes to the media after the game and cries like a baby that Tkachuk wouldn't fight him. Why would Tkachuk fight you Kassian? You are a worse player and have a size advantage. Tkachuk doesn't have to fight you and he is totally allowed to throw hits during the game, even if you don't like them Kassian.

I get that Mathew Tkachuk is a rat and the fact that he is far less willing then Brady to drop the gloves probably frustrates the opposition, but what he does is extremely effective.

I love Brady and Keith's game

You don't think I'm lumping them together do you?

Have you ever played junior hockey or semi pro hockey to understand that how Mathew plays is gutless and embarassing?

What's it to you? I have nothing to prove to you. I mean who are you? I would bet you have issues with Marchand as well. Those type of players , can play the game and they can get under the skin of the opponent to throw them off their games to the betterment of the teams they play for. Is your issue with the way he plays or that he won't answer the bell when you want him to? The league has a history of pests that can be effective players. There thing isn't fighting its agitating .. for someone asking for resumes you should realize this

 

[Ice-Tray]

its never a good look when you let a guy ragdoll you around and beat on you without defending yourself.

I also watched and thought to myself that neither Keith nor Brady would have played that situation like that, definitely not Keith, hopefully not Brady (hasn’t looked like THAT guy so far).

As always I think back to “what would Neiler do” in situations like this because I think he was the absolute perfect player in this regard. He had a rep that he was fearless and would fight anyone. He also hit like a Mack truck but walked the clean hit line and wasn’t a dirty or cheap player. Having said that, he also knew that sometimes not fighting was the best way to help your team, and was able to pick and choose a little more, especially after having established his stellar rep.

Neiler May also have walked away from that fight at that time, but you can bet that once the linesmen failed to get in between, he would never have let himself be humiliated into a Chara-Esque McCabe ragdolling, followed by repeated hammers to the head. No, Neiler would have beat down Kassian and shrugged his shoulder as circumstances weren’t going to let him dodge the fight this time.

I guess my point is that dodging a fight can be effective sometimes, but that time wasn’t a good look, especially when that was the third big hit on Kassian of the night, MT was clearly targeting him.

Anyways, as a fan I never like watching my team play like that, but I’m not a fan of Calgary, or Boston for that matter, so I don’t care that much.

 

[HSF]

He threw a legal check he shouldn't have to answer for that. Hence the 4 min powrplay for getting jumped

 

[Icelevel]

Not about being cheap. The hit was clean... It could have easily been really illegal with how he went in to it.

Point I'm trying to make is if you are going to go out in to games... And target individuals... Like he does with doughty and Kassian... Man the F up and square up.

You’re saying if you go out and play hard then you have to fight anyone on the opposition that can’t keep up and doesn’t like it?
That would ruin the game of hockey.

Let the referees take care of illegal action and penalize accordingly.
But we’re talking legal play here.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I love fighting and respecting the code but not after clean hits. And certain guys should be targeted out there, but it doesn’t mean you have to fight them. Brady Tkachuk is probably targeted every game for example

 

[RAFI BOMB]

The hit that Matthew Tkachuk landed on Kassian that triggered Kassian to jump him was a clean hit.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Get this guy out of here, complete joker

What’s this in response to

 

[Six Assets]

What’s this in response to

i was wondering that too, i think he's talking about kassian

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

What’s this in response to

i was wondering that too, i think he's talking about kassian

A poster made some really offside comments that were deleted.

 

[BondraTime]

What’s this in response to

i was wondering that too, i think he's talking about kassian

Ridiculously offensive quote since deleted by a “new” poster

 

[JungleBeat]

The Sens are golden if Brady produces like Mathew.

 

[GCK]

I love Norris too and I hope he's the next Bergeron but we cannot be throwing stats out of context.

Bellville this year has like 6-7 guys close to PPG or more than PPG with Batherson leading entire AHL in points and Balcers having like best PPG.

Last year Batherson had 15 points more than the next guy.

Formenton is also a rookie and is only 1 goal away from Norris. Both these guys gonna be top line forwards? I sure hope but lets think in terms of pure skill. Batherson is clearly superior and we need 1-2 guys BETTER than Batherson.

What is your basis in saying Batherson is clearly superior in terms of skill compared to Norris. I am not saying he isn’t but unless you have watched Norris a lot over the last few years, especially this year then I question how you can come to this conclusion.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Ridiculously offensive quote since deleted by a “new” poster

Too bad I missed. Was he talking shit about Brady

 

[BondraTime]

Too bad I missed. Was he talking **** about Brady

Nothing to do with hockey whatsoever

 

[scallionjj11]

Yeah quiet the guy to single out and then run away from lol you aren't going to let me win this argument so I'll just stop responding.

That was my first response to you lol

As a previous poster has already stated, it was pretty smart for Matthew to draw those penalties.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

His brother Mathew played like an idiot last night.

I love Brady because he actually will fight when challenged. You will never see him turtle.

Mathew is trying to be like his dad but there's one thing that's missing. Toughness and fight.

Thank god we have Brady.

Matthew is incredible and arguably the best combo of toughness and skill in the league.

If Brady becomes anywhere near as good as Matt we'd be incredibly lucky.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Matthew is incredible and arguably the best combo of toughness and skill in the league.

If Brady becomes anywhere near as good as Matt we'd be incredibly lucky.

Not really. He’s skilled and pesty like Marchand, not especially ‘tough’ at all.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Kassian is 100% in the wrong for last night. He lost his cool and took a really bad double minor that cost his team the game. He goes to the media after the game and cries like a baby that Tkachuk wouldn't fight him. Why would Tkachuk fight you Kassian? You are a worse player and have a size advantage. Tkachuk doesn't have to fight you and he is totally allowed to throw hits during the game, even if you don't like them Kassian.

I get that Mathew Tkachuk is a rat and the fact that he is far less willing then Brady to drop the gloves probably frustrates the opposition, but what he does is extremely effective.

Not only that, but if Kassian was using his head, he would've channeled that rage into a few bone-crushing hits. That guy could send any Flames player to the hospital with a legal check. That would've been a much stronger message to the Flames than trying to fight a guy he knew would turtle.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Boud]

He threw a legal check he shouldn't have to answer for that. Hence the 4 min powrplay for getting jumped

I disagree.

Simply because we all know that's not how it works in real life. Consider that a hit can be perfectly legal but can also be be unecessary or predatory. If I hit a player with 10 seconds left in the game for example, even if the hit is completely legal you're definitely going to get retaliation.

Not only that but generally speaking fighting after a hit whether it is clean or not sends a message to the other team: you can't take runs at our players without expecting an answer. Otherwise players from the other team would run after our guys and wouldn't expect any consequences unless the hit was illegal. Legal hits injure players and bottom line no team or player likes to be hit or manhandled. This is pride more than anything so in my mind it's simply not realistic to run after guys and not expect a reaction.

The instigator penalty is there for that and it gives the advantage to the other team. Illegal hits are penalized and fighting a player who doesn't want to fight is as well. The player that did the hit did his job, he created a PP for his team and hit an opposing player. The player that fought sent a message to the player that made the hit, don't do that again, and if you do, expect to fight.

If you don't answer you'll get absolutely run over by the other team. This notion that you shouldn't have to fight after a legal hit is a new thing here and it makes no sense IMO. Tkachuk knew full well that was coming for him because he ran Kassian twice in that game. If Duclair got hit like that twice in a game, even though the hit was legal, I surely hope somebody would step in and send a message.

 

[Icelevel]

The hit that Matthew Tkachuk landed on Kassian that triggered Kassian to jump him was a clean hit.

impressive display of strength by kassian

 

[slamigo]

impressive display of strength by kassian

Murderous rage is never a good look. This is the kind of crap that the league needs to get rid of. If the league allows these types of hits, then it is a legal check. Fighting is just stupid.