Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[Stephen]

Why do we always have to be screwed in Toronto by our players?

Nathan MacKinnon coming off a Stanley Cup where he scored 12 goals and lead the playoffs in scoring, he is also a franchise #1C and was drafted #1OA and coming off a 42 goal 111 point season (5th in NHL scoring) He just signed an 8 year deal at $12.6 mil AAV.

Matthews doesn't have the Cup but why wouldn't/shouldn't this be as easy as cake to re-sign him to that exact same deal as MacKinnon?

Why are we talking about Matthews wanting a shorter 3-5 year deal at much more money and then saying give him what he wants?

Now I don't want to lose him either, but why are we as Leaf fans always faced with these bloated contracts when comparable players always take less?

Always thought one of the problems with the Toronto Maple Leafs is that financially they're a "champions league" level team stuck in a rickety domestic league. So there isn't actually a problem with the sticker price they pay out for everything from player salaries to operational bloat but they're handcuffed under the hard cap. I'm guessing other elite players on other teams just aren't pampered the same way.

 

[ryno23]

Hoping Tree gives Keefe more back up when Keefe calls out star players like Marner and Keefe won't have to walk back his comments. Dubas is not around to baby the core 4 any longer and now it's big boy pants on and do your job as a pro.

To me Dubas was too soft on Marner and allows him to get away with piss poor playoffs

 

[rumman]

Maybe short term is best. 5 years. That way if this team spends the next 5 trying to win a round again, you can just say goodbye to all and start over. I don’t really want to say the next 5 the same as the last 5.

That ironically puts me at 67 I won’t be around for that many more runs so I’m hope they get on with it……..

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Hoping Tree gives Keefe more back up when Keefe calls out star players like Marner and Keefe won't have to walk back his comments. Dubas is not around to baby the core 4 any longer and now it's big boy pants on and do your job as a pro.

To me Dubas was too soft on Marner and allows him to get away with piss poor playoffs

Not that I take Dubas' side on much, but are you sure it was Dubas or is it Shanahan himself or Shanahan following the direction of the Board to play safe, nice, corporate hockey?

 

[Mess]

Always thought one of the problems with the Toronto Maple Leafs is that financially they're a "champions league" level team stuck in a rickety domestic league. So there isn't actually a problem with the sticker price they pay out for everything from player salaries to operational bloat but they're handcuffed under the hard cap. I'm guessing other elite players on other teams just aren't pampered the same way.

Helps explain why Leafs took 19 years under a Salary Cap World starting in 2004 to win 1 single playoff round, the worst record in the NHL.

If you keep overpaying your players in comparison to their league wide comparables you're going to struggle to be competitive.

Its really not rocket science. There is no I in team, but the Leafs players keep asking where is the money $$ for me?

 

[Nineteen67]

It is up to the Leafs whether or not they want to pay him. It's not just the Leafs who get screwed over. The Flames were screwed with Johnny and Tkachuk. NYI lost JT, who actually took less by all accounts to come to Toronto. St. Louis took a stand didn't pay Petro what he wanted/bonus structure to my knowledge etc, and he left.

TB let Stamkos walk right to free agency and said we have $8.5mil for you if you want to come back. Again by all accounts he was offered more elsewhere, but ended up going back. Do you want to play chicken with Matthews like TB did with Stammer? We can, but we have to be willing to let him walk.

Mack decided $12.6 to be the highest paid was enough for him. Mcdavid was offered $14.5mil and gave back $2mil per year because he wanted to.

If Matthews wants the max amount of money and the Leafs don't want to pay him, he will go elsewhere like countless other players have. If he values being a Maple Leaf, maybe he will stay for less, but I still can't see him not being paid the most in the league.

They can always ask him to make a deal elsewhere and trade him. Matthews at 15 million means Nylander can’t be re-signed or if he is they’ll be in real cap crunch until the JT contract expires.

IMO, AM owes them money for his body of work over the past 5 yrs and should be willing to extend his current contract for three more years.

 

[Mess]

They can always ask him to make a deal elsewhere and trade him. Matthews at 15 million means Nylander can’t be re-signed or if he is they’ll be in real cap crunch until the JT contract expires.

IMO, AM owes them money for his body of work over the past 5 yrs and should be willing to extend his current contract for three more years.

Wonder what Auston would say when you leverage his next salary to the future of his pal Mitch Marner..

If you take a $1 over X amount we have no choice but to trade Mitch. You take the MacKinnon deal and we lock up Marner as well long-term.

Sometimes you might need to speak to players and agents that might be more relatable.

 

[Dreakmur]

Who is Vegas' #1 centre?

Jack Eichel

 

[Nineteen67]

Well then, bye! Do we want to win, or not?

Has AM done anything in his hockey life that makes you believe he will ever win anything? Including Olympics and Canada Cups?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Has AM done anything in his hockey life that makes you believe he will ever win anything? Including Olympics and Canada Cups?

Not to my knowledge. He doesn't care about that.

 

[andora]

True to a point in that Cap hit % at signing would be less impactful on the Leafs team only going forward with more room for others to surround it as the cap goes up.

However big picture if it is the largest contract in the NHL then all other 31 NHL teams that don't have a $14 mil player have a competitive cap advantage still over the Leafs because they can still spend more $$ and cap on surrounding their star players.

Cap goes to up $92 mil while Matthews makes $14 mil, but McDavid is still at $12.5 and MacKinnon at $12.6 still hurts Toronto more than any other team in comparison to direct competition as everyone else under contract has their CH% similarly decrease impact on their own teams as it rises equally for all teams.

David Pastrnak coming off a 61 goal 113 point season just signed for 8 years at $11.5 ml AAV his C.H.% of 13.6 is already on his new deal < Matthews at C.H.% = 14.6 on his current deal prior to raise. So Auston's 60 goal and 106 point season of 2 years ago gets him $14 mil AAV. Then when Boston plays Leafs in the playoffs down the road Boston has $2.5 extra free cap space beyond their 60 goal scorer regardless of the cap ceiling at the time. Its all relative to the teams you play against and expected to beat.

Where does that buck eventually stop at Mathews or give Marner after that anything he wants to stay also? Remember Leafs currently have 3 of the 7 highest AAV contracts in the NHL and that is how they got themselves into Cap Hell in the first place and why all the other teams have more cap space for surrounding players, and go deeper in the playoffs because of better cap management and allocation.

Then add money to anyone else to sign cause the cap went up.. raises for everyone !

 

[Stephen]

Helps explain why Leafs took 19 years under a Salary Cap World starting in 2004 to win 1 single playoff round, the worst record in the NHL.

If you keep overpaying your players in comparison to their league wide comparables you're going to struggle to be competitive.

Its really not rocket science. There is no I in team, but the Leafs players keep asking where is the money $$ for me?

Maybe future generations of the Leafs should be built more on a 90s New Jersey Devils collective model. Go back to the roots of the franchise in the Original Six days that downplayed individual stardom for a team mentality. Maybe they'll be more successful but less individually glamorous. Who knows.

You'll also notice the homegrown talent from the Schenn, Kadri, Rielly crop were really not overpaid at all. The star making machinery really went into overdrive with the Nylander, Marner, Matthews crop.

 

[Nineteen67]

Wonder what Auston would say when you leverage his next salary to the future of his pal Mitch Marner..

If you take a $1 over X amount we have no choice but to trade Mitch. You take the MacKinnon deal and we lock up Marner as well long-term.

Sometimes you might need to speak to players and agents that might be more relatable.

The league has been laughing at them for five yrs. How many players, coaches and even TV broadcasters have taken shots at them for not taking team friendly deals

 

[mikeyz]

Well then, bye! Do we want to win, or not?

Well if what Elliot Friedman said earlier on his 32 thoughts that Treliving is talking an extension with Keefe, we already know the answer.

 

[Stephen]

Has AM done anything in his hockey life that makes you believe he will ever win anything? Including Olympics and Canada Cups?

To be fair, he hasn't played in any Olympics and only had the one World Cup on a make believe rookie team.

 

[Woodman19]

Im not overly concerned about a Keefe extension. Its peanuts for us to fire a coach and we probably dont want to have a lame duck coach going into the season, I believe Treliving is genuine with giving everyone a fair shake and that will go a long way in the end if we treat everyone like that.

 

[Trapper]

That ironically puts me at 67 I won’t be around for that many more runs so I’m hope they get on with it……..

We all better start building ourselves some robot bodies.

 

[Nineteen67]

To be fair, he hasn't played in any Olympics and only had the one World Cup on a make believe rookie team.

True. Has he ever done anything in his hockey career to make you think he’ll ever win any significant championships?

 

[Racer88]

Jack Eichel

Remember when everyone was comparing Eichel and Matthews to see who was best.
once again Matthews is golfing and Eichel is contesting for the cup……..and we are seriously considering making him the highest paid player in the league……..give me a break

We all better start building ourselves some robot bodies.

I will take on thanks

 

[ryno23]

Not that I take Dubas' side on much, but are you sure it was Dubas or is it Shanahan himself or Shanahan following the direction of the Board to play safe, nice, corporate hockey?

hopefully it was Dubas otherwise the blue and white disease is alive and well

 

[Stephen]

True. Has he ever done anything in his hockey career to make you think he’ll ever win any significant championships?

I know what you’re trying to get at but the ability to lead a team to a championship doesn’t require previous examples of winning…

 

[Nineteen67]

I know what you’re trying to get at but the ability to lead a team to a championship doesn’t require previous examples of winning…

It requires being a leader.

 

[Stephen]

It requires being a leader.

I'm not sure what Matthews is as a player. He's a bit of a chameleon who has thrived in a lot of play styles, from your highly skilled sniper, two way threat, hits monster, shot blocker, even some high end playmaking on occasion. He's shown leadership and we've seen what the team feels like revved up following his lead. But he kind of dabbles in those things and you're not always going to get the same thing. This year was very disappointing.

 

[Kiwi]

Im not overly concerned about a Keefe extension. Its peanuts for us to fire a coach and we probably dont want to have a lame duck coach going into the season, I believe Treliving is genuine with giving everyone a fair shake and that will go a long way in the end if we treat everyone like that.

We've been extremely nice to our players and staff and from what I can see it hasn't got us much

She's all business when it's contract time and our players are more than happy to sit at home or haggle through the media to get what they want

I think one of our biggest problems is we dont treat the players like they are assets and treat them like it's a business where results are all that matters

 

[ULF_55]

I don't like it, but I could see Tre holding on to him as an easy bullet to fire if something happens. If he lets him go right now, and brings in his own coach right away, he can't claim its not his guy.

Yep.

Just like Dubas with Babcock.

Nothing original, following standard unoriginal thinking.