Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[The Masters]

Patience. The wheels are in motion.

Gotta execute

 

[GoonieFace]

With the play of Lagesson and Benoit, Domi and Bertuzzi, the Leafs might only be 1 top end D (ideally 2 ) away from a long run. Still lots of season left, but Treliving has to be given some credit.

He tried to add some secondary scoring in Bertuzzi and Domi. Toughness in Reaves and mobility at the back end with Klingberg. These were all obvious needs going into the off-season.
It was unrealistic to think he was going to start by making larger type trades, instead he opted for short term additions (like deadline deals but only for money and not capital). This gives him time to evaluate the roster for himself. It remains to be seen if he can do it properly.

 

[ToneDog]

It is going to look even sillier in 20 games when the Leafs will probably be something like 25-8-4. Save for maybe 3 or 4 games, their upcoming schedule is pretty soft.

You think this team is going 15-3-2 in the next 20 games having to play @CHI, NYRx2, @NYI, SEA, BOS, FLO, CAR, NASH, CBJx2, Dubasx2, Sensx2, BUFF, and LA, Ana, and SJ on a west coast trip? All coming off a trip to Sweden. It would be something if you were right but I'm not betting on it happening.

 

[TheRumble]

I don’t like the Kampf deal, but I fully understood it at the time. We were thin a Center ( Nylander at camp further confirmation) , Treliving knew there were none out there in FA and Kampf would have suitors, for the same reason. Remove Kampf, we were looking at a big maybe in Holmberg and then who? And don’t give me Lafferty ffs, let’s be adults for a change. I think they panicked a bit at center with Kampf, but I also think we would have lost him and it was scary thin at center. We hadn’t signed Domi yet either.

I don’t like Kampf as more than a fourth line, 10 minute guy. We over paid for him, but I do temper my anger, given the context at the time.

I just want to make that clear to people. The reason why Treliving was getting heat from a lot of people early in the season is because the one year out of the last 4 that we had a significant amount of cap space, he spent it on things we either didn't need or weren't that good now all of a sudden people are downplaying it.

Bomber has been one of the most critical people of this team in the last 2-3 years and he's all over this thread overjoyed about signing Ryan Reaves simply because it makes us mad. Meanwhile, last year he was criticizing us icing bums like Engvall and Kerfoot on the bottom six, both of whom while imperfect at least serve on ice roles on the team that were useful.

This is the same forum that two years claiming that Nazem Kadri was better than Tavares because of cap space (never mind the fact that he was never better than a 70 point foward before or after his contract year). The same forum that once suggest the idea of exposing Marner in the Seattle expansion draft and replacing his impact by signing Max Domi, David Savard and Ryan Sutter while keeping Jared McCann because of cap space. The same forum that couldn't handle Matt Murray being on LTIR for 1 whole season because of cap space is now suddenly okay with John Klingberg on LTIR because it was a worthwhile experiment. The same forum that said that having Patrick Marleau for an additional season was better than having Tavares for 7 because of cap space now suddenly believes that cap space now believes that cap space is irrelevant if overpaying for bottom sixers.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You think this team is going 15-3-2 in the next 20 games having to play @CHI, NYRx2, @NYI, SEA, BOS, FLO, CAR, NASH, CBJx2, Dubasx2, Sensx2, BUFF, and LA, Ana, and SJ on a west coast trip? All coming off a trip to Sweden. It would be something if you were right but I'm not betting on it happening.

I'd bet on it, not sure what odds I'd need though. Hard to say what the odds are but I'd guess at least 10-1 against.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is the same forum that two years claiming that Nazem Kadri was better than Tavares because of cap space (never mind the fact that he was never better than a 70 point foward before or after his contract year). The same forum that once suggest the idea of exposing Marner in the Seattle expansion draft and replacing his impact by signing Max Domi, David Savard and Ryan Sutter while keeping Jared McCann because of cap space. The same forum that couldn't handle Matt Murray being on LTIR for 1 whole season because of cap space is now suddenly okay with John Klingberg on LTIR because it was a worthwhile experiment. The same forum that said that having Patrick Marleau for an additional season was better than having Tavares for 7 because of cap space now suddenly believes that cap space now believes that cap space is irrelevant if overpaying for bottom sixers.

Not sure what that means - "because of cap space". If you mean that Kadri was under contract for 4.5 million while Tavares cost 11 then yes, the argument was that Kadri at 4.5 was a better deal then Tavares and there was a better way to spend 6.5 million than using to upgrade the 2nd line centre position.

 

[TheRumble]

Not sure what that means - "because of cap space". If you mean that Kadri was under contract for 4.5 million while Tavares cost 11 then yes, the argument was that Kadri at 4.5 was a better deal then Tavares and there was a better way to spend 6.5 million than using to upgrade the 2nd line centre position.

It was during Kadri's contract year in Colorado where people were saying that Kadri was better than Tavares. I don't see a lot of people saying that now. It's a take that mysteriously went up in flames.....

 

[ACC1224]

I just want to make that clear to people. The reason why Treliving was getting heat from a lot of people early in the season is because the one year out of the last 4 that we had a significant amount of cap space, he spent it on things we either didn't need or weren't that good now all of a sudden people are downplaying it.

Bomber has been one of the most critical people of this team in the last 2-3 years and he's all over this thread overjoyed about signing Ryan Reaves simply because it makes us mad. Meanwhile, last year he was criticizing us icing bums like Engvall and Kerfoot on the bottom six, both of whom while imperfect at least serve on ice roles on the team that were useful.

This is the same forum that two years claiming that Nazem Kadri was better than Tavares because of cap space (never mind the fact that he was never better than a 70 point foward before or after his contract year). The same forum that once suggest the idea of exposing Marner in the Seattle expansion draft and replacing his impact by signing Max Domi, David Savard and Ryan Sutter while keeping Jared McCann because of cap space. The same forum that couldn't handle Matt Murray being on LTIR for 1 whole season because of cap space is now suddenly okay with John Klingberg on LTIR because it was a worthwhile experiment. The same forum that said that having Patrick Marleau for an additional season was better than having Tavares for 7 because of cap space now suddenly believes that cap space now believes that cap space is irrelevant if overpaying for bottom sixers.

You forgot to mention the same forum that thought Kadri's NTC is the same Marners NMC.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It was during Kadri's contract year in Colorado where people were saying that Kadri was better than Tavares. I don't see a lot of people saying that now. It's a take that mysteriously went up in flames.....

Fair enough. You gotta remember though, there are so many Leaf fans and as with any large group of people, there will be some that are quite smart and some that are the opposite wo no matter how ridiculous a take is, there will be people that hop aboard.

Anyhow, I agree with you for the most part, I don't think Tre has done anything special at all. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been terrible here but if I had to predict, I'd say by the time the season is over, most people will have turned on him as we once again spend futures trying to win now, we win one round at best and the cupboards are even more empty than they are now.

The thread title should probably be changed.

 

[TheRumble]

You forgot to mention the same forum that thought Kadri's NTC is the same Marners NMC.

Bro if we're gonna bring up intelligence, I once spent 3 posts explaining to you that having $20 was better than having $15. Probably the only reason I'm not permabanned here is because I managed to do it without insulting you. I'm lucky I have a semblence of class.

 

[Lemontree]

So according to your list, Dubas is a better GM if he trades Knies instead of trading a 2nd round pick. See the problem?


I'm not happy with some of the moves made in the offseason, and I am blaming the GM who made those moves, instead of somebody that had nothing to do with those moves.
The Leafs did draft well under Dubas, and despite the picks we traded, our prospect pool is in a good state, and we've literally had 3 Dubas-drafted prospects play in our top-9 this year, and two more Dubas-drafted/acquired prospects play 4th line depth roles. We're getting more internal help after half a decade of competing than we did following a rebuild.

According to my list? You mean the trades that actually happened, why the hell would a trade that didn't happen be listed.

No matter how much you and a few others state it, doesn't make it true. The Leafs prospect pool is not in a good state. 3 Dubas drafted players, play in the top 9? Knies and Robertson (handful of games so far), is the other one you are referring to Minten?

The below is the 2016-2017 Leafs roster (the start of the string of Leafs team that made the playoffs - fresh off the rebuild or still in the rebuild.

The current core that remains today: Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Reilly

Support players drafted or signed as undrafted free agents by Leafs:
Leo Komorov (drafted)
Nikita Zaitsev (undrafted free agent)
Connor Brown (drafted)
Nazem Kadri (drafted)
Tyler Bozak (undrafted free agent)
Nikita Sosnikov (drafted)
Frederik Gautheir (drafted)
Josh Levo (drafted)

You are arguing that there is more internal help today (2023) than 7 years ago?

 

[Gary Nylund]

You forgot to mention the same forum that thought Kadri's NTC is the same Marners NMC.

If wasn't "the same forum" that wasn't familiar with the details of Kadri's contract, it was a few people. Not a big deal really, hardly worth mocking people over it. Do you want us to remind you of some of your absurd takes over the years?

 

[ACC1224]

Bro if we're gonna bring up intelligence, I once spent 3 posts explaining to you that having $20 was better than having $15. Probably the only reason I'm not permabanned here is because I managed to do it without insulting you. I'm lucky I have a semblence of class.

You're thinking of someone else, that wasn't me.
Confused again like with Kadri and Marner?

As many others have explained to you already NMC can be waived by a player. I don't know Marner well enough to say he would never waive it. We've been through this with Kadri before. Didn't waive it for Calgary, waived it for Colorado.

 

[Bomber0104]

Bomber has been one of the most critical people of this team in the last 2-3 years and he's all over this thread overjoyed about signing Ryan Reaves simply because it makes us mad. Meanwhile, last year he was criticizing us icing bums like Engvall and Kerfoot on the bottom six, both of whom while imperfect at least serve on ice roles on the team that were useful.

I've said one thing about Ryan Reaves this entire thread and it was this:

To me the biggest value Reaves has brought to the team is the daily hysterics he's causing people to post on HFboards, such as this

Not to mention I criticized the signing the moment it happened and join in on the occasional Reaves bashing with a little sense of humor, given how insignificant it all is.

No idea what you're so up in arms about, try not being so sensitive.

 

[GoonieFace]

I just want to make that clear to people. The reason why Treliving was getting heat from a lot of people early in the season is because the one year out of the last 4 that we had a significant amount of cap space, he spent it on things we either didn't need or weren't that good now all of a sudden people are downplaying it.

Bomber has been one of the most critical people of this team in the last 2-3 years and he's all over this thread overjoyed about signing Ryan Reaves simply because it makes us mad. Meanwhile, last year he was criticizing us icing bums like Engvall and Kerfoot on the bottom six, both of whom while imperfect at least serve on ice roles on the team that were useful.

This is the same forum that two years claiming that Nazem Kadri was better than Tavares because of cap space (never mind the fact that he was never better than a 70 point foward before or after his contract year). The same forum that once suggest the idea of exposing Marner in the Seattle expansion draft and replacing his impact by signing Max Domi, David Savard and Ryan Sutter while keeping Jared McCann because of cap space. The same forum that couldn't handle Matt Murray being on LTIR for 1 whole season because of cap space is now suddenly okay with John Klingberg on LTIR because it was a worthwhile experiment. The same forum that said that having Patrick Marleau for an additional season was better than having Tavares for 7 because of cap space now suddenly believes that cap space now believes that cap space is irrelevant if overpaying for bottom sixers.

You need to take a deep breath..serenity now

 

[TheRumble]

You trade one of your good players for 2-3 not as good players. You've lost the trade. The team is worse. Somehow you think this will lead to BETTER results?

It's the equivalent of trading a $20 bill for a $10 and a $5 thinking you're gonna be richer just because you have more bills.

More bills and $5 more to spend. Math isn’t your strong suit ?

Bruh $10+$5=$15

 

[Apex Predator]

You need to take a deep breath..serenity now

Insanity later

 

[Gary Nylund]

Insanity later

And how much later is far from clear, could be sooner than one thinks.

 

[TheRumble]

The lack of intellectual consistency here is incredible for a group of people who are only interested in holding referendums on the previous GM but are now just ignoring moves from the current GM. I don't get you people. It's like the only thing you actually wanted this team to do was to Fire Kyle Dubas.

I guess that's why everyone here is so hunky dory after years of pent up rage.

 

[ashs]

leafs need to make tough decisions. raps did and finally won.

 

[GoonieFace]

The lack of intellectual consistency here is incredible for a group of people who are only interested in holding referendums on the previous GM but are now just ignoring moves from the current GM. I don't get you people. It's like the only thing you actually wanted this team to do was to Fire Kyle Dubas.

I guess that's why everyone here is so hunky dory after years of pent up rage.

I haven’t been sold on this core for awhile. Dubie was given 5 years and couldn’t figure it out, and rightfully so people can bash him for his incompetence. Bundy has been here for like 6 months and we are supposed to hold him to the same standards?

I think most are lukewarm or less enthusiastic about his moves so far, but let’s hope he has bigger things in store.

 

[Evilhomer]

You think this team is going 15-3-2 in the next 20 games having to play @CHI, NYRx2, @NYI, SEA, BOS, FLO, CAR, NASH, CBJx2, Dubasx2, Sensx2, BUFF, and LA, Ana, and SJ on a west coast trip? All coming off a trip to Sweden. It would be something if you were right but I'm not betting on it happening.

Honestly, look at the teams you just referenced. Chicago, Columbus, San Jose, Ottawa, Anaheim, Seattle, Islanders, Nashville, Buffalo...all either dreadful or pretty mediocre teams (and, yes, I know that Toronto has already lost to some of those teams, but that makes it even more likely that they will not lose again to them). The Boston and Florida games are in Toronto, so I think the Leafs will win those ones. Probably for sure one loss to the Rangers. Maybe a loss to Carolina, but that team is playing pretty poorly these days and the Leafs always seem to have their number. It's a great schedule for the Leafs. It will allow them to make up a lot of ground on Boston and separate from Florida.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I've said one thing about Ryan Reaves this entire thread and it was this:


Not to mention I criticized the signing the moment it happened and join in on the occasional Reaves bashing with a little sense of humor, given how insignificant it all is.

No idea what you're so up in arms about, try not being so sensitive.

On the other hand, I was in favour of the Reeves signing and I also critized Reeves with his inaction in Boston. I think he will be help when the games get tougher down the streach. I also never expected him to plat every game.

 

[ToneDog]

Fair enough. You gotta remember though, there are so many Leaf fans and as with any large group of people, there will be some that are quite smart and some that are the opposite wo no matter how ridiculous a take is, there will be people that hop aboard.

Anyhow, I agree with you for the most part, I don't think Tre has done anything special at all. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been terrible here but if I had to predict, I'd say by the time the season is over, most people will have turned on him as we once again spend futures trying to win now, we win one round at best and the cupboards are even more empty than they are now.

The thread title should probably be changed.

Is it too early to change it to "Has Tre passed all the tests?".

 

[Gary Nylund]

I haven’t been sold on this core for awhile. Dubie was given 5 years and couldn’t figure it out, and rightfully so people can bash him for his incompetence. Bundy has been here for like 6 months and we are supposed to hold him to the same standards?

I think most are lukewarm or less enthusiastic about his moves so far, but let’s hope he has bigger things in store.

What could he possibly do though now that Marner's NMC has kicked in? I don't think trading Nylander is the answer, pressuring Marner to waive is what I'd try to do but I don't think he's going there, with all that talent the 2nd most logical option is to keep doing what Dubas was doing - build around the core, sell futures to win now, can do that for another year or two when we'll be out of tradeable futures and then we're really cooked.

A deal with Calgary seems likely, a lot of noise there and giving up a 1st and whatever else for a couple of Dmen seems likely, the team will still be worse than the one that got crushed by Florida, by next summer people will be calling for Tre's head is the most likely scenario. JMHO.