Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Dekes For Days]

You can't even say something like "Wow this team is lacking draft picks in the up coming years to help with any significant trade." without being attacked by a select few goin on about what a great team Dubas has left us and that it shouldnt matter.

I haven't seen anybody attack or say anything to anybody saying that. I have seen people respond to and correct the very different statements that were made.

The original statement was that "they couldn't be in a worse position draft wise", and people pointed out that that is objectively false. There are a number of teams in worse positions draft wise, including pretty much every top divisional opponent. We could have a lot less picks than 20 (1 less than normal) over the next 3 years, especially considering (and many people forget this) we prioritized keeping every meaningful prospect over picks - which Treliving is benefitting from now.

The second statement was that "Tre is playing with a very weak hand, and the hockey world knows what a mess Dubas left". Which is also objectively false. Treliving was dealt one of the strongest hands imaginable. He was handed a team that was consistently top tier with multiple franchise players in their primes, and he had plenty of cap space to shape his team around them, a rising cap, plenty of trade options available to him, and a good prospect pool with multiple quality top-9 NHL-ready ELCs, multiple NHL depth options, and a number of promising individuals likely to make the NHL over the next few years. The hockey world scooped Dubas up immediately, and gave him a promotion, a raise, and significant job security.

People are actin like this team is in complete shambles because of Tre's moves, but when you look back to last year we are basically at the same point totals after the same amount of games.

Nobody is "acting like this team is in complete shambles". They're justifiably concerned about Treliving's prioritization and approach. They're concerned about some of Treliving's decisions that appeared bad right off the bat, and are currently working out as badly as predicted, or worse. They're concerned about the fact that it looks like we've taken steps backward when we had a real opportunity to take steps forward with cap opening up and rising, and ELCs boosting our depth. They're concerned that Treliving left one of the biggest tire fires in the league at his last job. This isn't about the point totals after X amount of games, and pointing to that ignores the very different ways and reasons we've arrived at that point total compared to past years.

 

[DarkKnight]

Bertuzzi is finding his role and looks better and better. You don’t judge known quantities so quickly on a new team, especially one with a plethora of high end forwards. Ditto Domi, who‘s settled in nicely.

Reaves is a whatever signing, despite the agenda poster attempts here to turn it into the biggest tag, worst signing ever…it will be forgotten in a heartbeat and the team will suffer little after effects.

Klingberg, a disaster, but perhaps some health issues that allow us to mitigate the damage. It’s only a one year flyer too, hardly saddling the franchise.

Bertuzzi, and to a lesser extent Domi, were the key additions for me, it’s looking more and more like they’ll be positive factors when we need it.

Now address the D, letting Schenn walk was a mistake, that’s where Klingberg hurts.

Okay, back to Dubists badly pretending to be objective…

 

[TheRumble]

We have 5 million in wasted cap, I'd figure you'd be freaking since you stress about cap space so much.

Curious isn't it?

This forum once brought forth the idea that Mitch Marner was so bad that we should have exposed him in the Kraken expansion draft because the cap savings would be better than him, now they're like $5 million in cap space gone on bums? We can handle it!

 

[Nineteen67]

Our defensive play was never an issue until we brought in 4 FAs who can't defend...

I have no clue why everyone thinks we had a terrible D before this season.

During the playoffs it stood out that the D were losing 50/50 loose puck races. They simply were not quick enough and you couple with defensive play from the Tavares line and was a bad recipe.

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

When you can't even replace Justin Holl, you know the gm is pathetic at best. This guy is worse than a guy changing oil in my car.

 

[SprDaVE]

I am concerned going into next season how Treliving will handle the cap increase and having to fill some significant roles on the team. I will assume Nylander will sign at some point before the off-season, but he still has significant positions to fill, mainly on defence and goaltending.

His time in Calgary was riddled with terrible signings. His first off-season here was dicey as well.

 

[Machinae]

Lagesson and Benoit have been phenomenal depth pick ups, much better than Mete and Benn last season. One or both might establish themselves going forward here. Probably get better with more physicality in the playoffs, too.

 

[TheRumble]

During the playoffs it stood out that the D were losing 50/50 loose puck races. They simply were not quick enough and you couple with defensive play from the Tavares line and was a bad recipe.

No. Stop watching hockey if you're gonna make proclamations like this. I don't get how so many fans watch the same game I do and misdiagnose problems that are so obvious.

The playoffs showcased two very different issues.

Vs Tampa - They had trouble breaking out vs Tampas 3-2 forecheck and were getting hemmed in the zone too often.

Vs Florida - They were too slow in the neutral zone and allowed too many rush goals, most of the Panthers goals vs Toronto came on the rush, not the forecheck.

Vs Tampa it was solved by coaching adjustments late in game 5. The team began breaking out wide rather than long.

Vs Florida we needed faster skaters on the back end. This wasn't solved in the off season. If we face a rush heavy team again the coaching solution will be to play a much more conservative forecheck which neuters our own offense unfortunately.

 

[horner]

No... all of Reaves, Klingberg, Domi, and Bertuzzi

Forwards need to defend too.

Bunting sucked as 200' player
Treliving wanted to sign ORielly Schenn Accuri
But

They didn't want to be here and asked for more money

So and be honest who did you want him to sign.

 

[horner]

When you can't even replace Justin Holl, you know the gm is pathetic at best. This guy is worse than a guy changing oil in my car.

Who would you have signed ?

 

[therealkoho]

I am concerned going into next season how Treliving will handle the cap increase and having to fill some significant roles on the team. I will assume Nylander will sign at some point before the off-season, but he still has significant positions to fill, mainly on defence and goaltending.

His time in Calgary was riddled with terrible signings. His first off-season here was dicey as well.

That cap increase is already gone 2m and change to 34 and likely 4m to Will if he continues on this torrid pace

Knies is in for a raise as is Robertson, Liljegren and who if any contracts they pick up in trades

 

[notbias]

Bunting sucked as 200' player
Treliving wanted to sign ORielly Schenn Accuri
But

They didn't want to be here and asked for more money

So and be honest who did you want him to sign.

I'd rather have 5 million in cap space than Klingberg and Reaves...

It's just weird how much the cap is brought up and now that we have dead cap no one cares...

For example, Hathway and Schenn make the same but are much better.

By the way, Bunting defensively is better than all of the signings.

That cap increase is already gone 2m and change to 34 and likely 4m to Will if he continues on this torrid pace

Knies is in for a raise as is Robertson, Liljegren and who if any contracts they pick up in trades

Knies is already signed for next year

We finally have ELCs and cheap contracts that can play... our cap situation is not that bad.

 

[Nineteen67]

No. Stop watching hockey if you're gonna make proclamations like this. I don't get how so many fans watch the same game I do and misdiagnose problems that are so obvious.

The playoffs showcased two very different issues.

Vs Tampa - They had trouble breaking out vs Tampas 3-2 forecheck and were getting hemmed in the zone too often.

Vs Florida - They were too slow in the neutral zone and allowed too many rush goals, most of the Panthers goals vs Toronto came on the rush, not the forecheck.

Vs Tampa it was solved by coaching adjustments late in game 5. The team began breaking out wide rather than long.

Vs Florida we needed faster skaters on the back end. This wasn't solved in the off season. If we face a rush heavy team again the coaching solution will be to play a much more conservative forecheck which neuters our own offense unfortunately.

Exactly, the D wasn’t fast enough which caused them to lose most 50/50 foot races. It became so obvious in both series, which was posted all throughout the playoff GDTs.

Had Vasi played his normal game I’m not convinced there would have been a have been a second series to compare.

 

[TheRumble]

Exactly, the D wasn’t fast enough which caused them to lose most 50/50 foot races. It became so obvious in both series, which was posted all throughout the playoff GDTs.

Had Vasi played his normal game I’m not convinced there would have been a have been a second series to compare.

Again, no. You have no clue what you're talking about.

50/50 footraces are created off dump ins and rebounds that go off to the sides. This is not what happened in either series.

Toronto likes to stretch the ice when they break which leads to faster breakouts but provides the Dmen with less passing lanes. Toronto's d typically have two lanes on a dump in, one to each other and one to the nearest forward. Tampa would send in 2 guys on the initial breakout pass and the third would sit back and cover the other. Toronto solved this late in game 5 - even though they still lost, by keeping more forwards back and spreading them wide on the breakout making it hard for the third Tampa forecheckers to cover the breakout.

Florida just scored on the rush. There's no "50/50" footraces there.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Bertuzzi is finding his role and looks better and better. You don’t judge known quantities so quickly on a new team, especially one with a plethora of high end forwards. Ditto Domi, who‘s settled in nicely.

Reaves is a whatever signing, despite the agenda poster attempts here to turn it into the biggest tag, worst signing ever…it will be forgotten in a heartbeat and the team will suffer little after effects.

Klingberg, a disaster, but perhaps some health issues that allow us to mitigate the damage. It’s only a one year flyer too, hardly saddling the franchise.

Bertuzzi, and to a lesser extent Domi, were the key additions for me, it’s looking more and more like they’ll be positive factors when we need it.

Now address the D, letting Schenn walk was a mistake, that’s where Klingberg hurts.

Okay, back to Dubists badly pretending to be objective…

All this seems pretty accurate to me.

 

[ACC1224]

Is there a team in the league (other than Pittsburgh) that doesn’t have at least one bad contract?
The key is how you’re able to deal with it.

 

[Nineteen67]

Again, no. You have no clue what you're talking about.

50/50 footraces are created off dump ins and rebounds that go off to the sides. This is not what happened in either series.

Toronto likes to stretch the ice when they break which leads to faster breakouts but provides the Dmen with less passing lanes. Toronto's d typically have two lanes on a dump in, one to each other and one to the nearest forward. Tampa would send in 2 guys on the initial breakout pass and the third would sit back and cover the other. Toronto solved this late in game 5 - even though they still lost, by keeping more forwards back and spreading them wide on the breakout making it hard for the third Tampa forecheckers to cover the breakout.

Florida just scored on the rush. There's no "50/50" footraces there.

Yes, the leafs defence was not quick enough as we pointed over and over during the playoffs.

 

[IPS]

Bertuzzi is finding his role and looks better and better. You don’t judge known quantities so quickly on a new team, especially one with a plethora of high end forwards. Ditto Domi, who‘s settled in nicely.

Reaves is a whatever signing, despite the agenda poster attempts here to turn it into the biggest tag, worst signing ever…it will be forgotten in a heartbeat and the team will suffer little after effects.

Klingberg, a disaster, but perhaps some health issues that allow us to mitigate the damage. It’s only a one year flyer too, hardly saddling the franchise.

Bertuzzi, and to a lesser extent Domi, were the key additions for me, it’s looking more and more like they’ll be positive factors when we need it.

Now address the D, letting Schenn walk was a mistake, that’s where Klingberg hurts.

Okay, back to Dubists badly pretending to be objective…

But I must have read 100 times over the last 2 pages that Bertuzzi is "dead cap"

The melodramatic behavior of these Dubists really is akin to a bunch of cult followers who lost their leader.

 

[therealkoho]

I'd rather have 5 million in cap space than Klingberg and Reaves...




Knies is already signed for next year

We finally have ELCs and cheap contracts that can play... our cap situation is not that bad.

OK thanks I thought he signed a two year deal, now I know.

Not that bad, but nowhere near good. Not trying out for chicken little but those TV contracts in the states have never materialized and as a revenue source are stretched to the limit with more and more people pulling the plug altogether. My own sons (28 and 30)who were big fans growing up haven't watched any hockey all year instead prfering YouTube hilights when they have time.

 

[horner]

I'd rather have 5 million in cap space than Klingberg and Reaves...

It's just weird how much the cap is brought up and now that we have dead cap no one cares...

For example, Hathway and Schenn make the same but are much better.

By the way, Bunting defensively is better than all of the signings.



Knies is already signed for next year

We finally have ELCs and cheap contracts that can play... our cap situation is not that bad.

Schenn 3 yrs 2.75 mil hasn't played this yr
Hathaway 2 yrs 2.375 2 pts

Reeves we can waive 0.2 against the cap
Next with the cap going it can all be barried.

 

[ACC1224]

Question is will the devastation caused by the Reaves contract have a greater impact than the devastation caused by the Marleau contract?

 

[All Mod Cons]

But I must have read 100 times over the last 2 pages that Bertuzzi is "dead cap"

The melodramatic behavior of these Dubists really is akin to a bunch of cult followers who lost their leader.

You can tell be their lack of presence in every PGT when the Leafs win, they're fans of the ex GM and not the team. Take yer man Sticky. 8 seconds after the horn when the Leafs lose, he's creating the PGT. When we win, all these guys are nowhere to be found.

I just wish they would move to the Penguins board like that Winter Soldier fella.

 

[ULF_55]

You can tell be their lack of presence in every PGT when the Leafs win, they're fans of the ex GM and not the team. Take yer man Sticky. 8 seconds after the horn when the Leafs lose, he's creating the PGT. When we win, all these guys are nowhere to be found.

I just wish they would move to the Penguins board like that Winter Soldier fella.

There is less emotion when the team wins.

Being peeved off > being satisfied.

The Leafs are one of the best teams in the league the past several years so expectations are pretty high that they win most games, which they do.

Leafs won.
"As they should!"

Leafs lost.
"GM really mucked this team up!!!"
"Coach outcoached yet again!"
"x-GM left nothing for the current GM to work with!"
"x-GM left everything for the current GM to work with and he messed it up!"

A loss is usually better for creative writing.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Very convenient jumping to penguins. Get to use soon time rebuilding as excuse for Dubas soon. Mediocre gm riding excuse after excuse to remain elite. Hands are always tied, boo hoo.

 

[notbias]

Question is will the devastation caused by the Reaves contract have a greater impact than the devastation caused by the Marleau contract?

No... Lou is a terrible GM too.