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Bertuzzi and Domi stink.

Klingberg stinks. Benoit stinks. Reaves stinks.

They're all fart, no shit.

Calling Reaves a shitty hockey player would be an insult to shitty hockey players. Reaves can go not punch faces in the AHL. He wasn't doing nearly enough of it in the NHL.

Or anything else for that matter.

Bertuzzi came here to pump his value up. Treliving was like "sure I can do that, here's $5.5M bucks". The biggest payday Bertuzzi's ever got.

Despite scoring only eight goals the year before.

Speaking of goals lol... Max Domi has zero goals in thirteen games. Are you f***ing kidding me?

A $3M no trick pony.

Even he doesn't compare to the hot trash on defense. Stinkberg and Benoit were the worst two defensemen in the league last year. And hey, would you look at that, they're two of the worst defensemen again this year.

Now McCabe stinks too.
 

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Yes, and it's been shown that you people are dumb and incorrect when everyone celebrated this off seasons signings.

Now you're somehow blaming the top 4 players for the failures of the newly acquired 4 players.
Nope, I’ve been blaming them for years. The cap hit plus the lack of results. Realistically it’s only been like 12 games, things can change, but right now they look like fails for sure
 

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i have reserved judgement for the most part, but it really is something how none of treliving's offseason moves have worked out so far.

All signs point to him being the Klingburg of general managers.
 
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High roster turnover year after year is not the key to building a successful TEAM. Roster consistency and players learning and playing together grow together as a team.

Being in CAP HELL and the contract status of the core 4 drives turnover.

This season and next season (which will be even worse) will be transition period for our new GM to get out from under this Cap Hell situation and hopefully towards longer-term planning.,

You simply can't toss a bunch of random players together and expect a cohesive tight team unit and consistent play and winning results.

What alliance or allegiance do Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg have to Toronto other than working for their next contracts and what do current players have to these rental players that are lilkely here only for this season and than squezzed out looking for cheaper replacements the following year with the pending raises of Nylander and Marner and Matthews contracts kicking in?.
 
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You simply can't toss a bunch of random players together and expect a cohesive tight team unit and consistent play and winning results.

What alliance or allegiance do Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg have to Toronto other than working for their next contracts and what do current players have to these rental players that are lilkely here only for this season
If only we could have chosen to bring back high character hardworking depth players from last years team and supplemented them with similar players to build and identity with continuity in the bottom 6.

Oh wait. We could have chosen to do that
 
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You simply can't toss a bunch of random players together and expect a cohesive tight team unit and consistent play and winning results.
What alliance or allegiance do Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg have to Toronto other than working for their next contracts and what do current players have to these rental players that are lilkely here only for this season and than squezzed out looking for cheaper replacements the following year with the pending raises of Nylander and Marner and Matthews contracts kicking in?.
If the key to everything is continuity of players, then why did our current GM choose to only re-sign (and overpay) one player from our top tier team from last year?
Also I assume all other players on 1 year contracts are sucking right now, and all of those teams are having similar underwhelming results, right? Right?
 

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If only we could have chosen to bring back high character hardworking depth players from last years team and supplemented them with similar players to build and identity with continuity in the bottom 6.

Oh wait. We could have chosen to do that
Obviously things aren't working out too well currently but who should have been kept from last year that they allowed to let walk?
 

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We had it, and decided to use 5.5 million on a defenseman who can't play defense and a 35 year old goon
Would have been better to commit 3 years each to Schenn (old slow injured dman) and scrub Acciari. That would age well

Obviously things aren't working out too well currently but who should have been kept from last year that they allowed to let walk?
None of them. This team has just been throwing away picks for band aid solutions with this core. It’s time they broke up the band and added some other core pieces instead.
 

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If only we could have chosen to bring back high character hardworking depth players from last years team and supplemented them with similar players to build and identity with continuity in the bottom 6.

Oh wait. We could have chosen to do that
Acurri 3 x 2 mil 1 pts
Kerfoot 2 x 3.3 3 pts
OReilly 4 x 4.5 11 pts -5
Schenn 3 x 2.75 h injured has played 1 gm
Holl 3 x 3.4 3 pts +7

The only players I wanted
ORielly he didn't want to play here
Schenn 2 yrs 2mil

Domi 6 pts
Bertuzzi 4 pts

Our biggest problem is defence and 3rd line center
 

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Intangibles are irrelevant when the player can't play.

Hire him as a cheerleader if you want, but make sure you aren't signing him as a player.

Its the part pretty hard to evaluate...

Did aston-reese really had a higher impact last season with no intangible... im not sure

Look like kind of simmonds signing but during habs serie... Simmonds still had a pretty good impact ...

as hockey fan, we can only see hockey part and clearly they are better player than Reaves... Any kind of doubt and we have no idea whats really looking like outside of the ice.
 

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High roster turnover year after year is not the key to building a successful TEAM. Roster consistency and players learning and playing together grow together as a team.

Being in CAP HELL and the contract status of the core 4 drives turnover.

This season and next season (which will be even worse) will be transition period for our new GM to get out from under this Cap Hell situation and hopefully towards longer-term planning.,

You simply can't toss a bunch of random players together and expect a cohesive tight team unit and consistent play and winning results.

What alliance or allegiance do Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg have to Toronto other than working for their next contracts and what do current players have to these rental players that are lilkely here only for this season and than squezzed out looking for cheaper replacements the following year with the pending raises of Nylander and Marner and Matthews contracts kicking in?.
After this season we will have 3 players on ELC contracts
Knies
Cowen 200' game
Minten 200 ' game

The following yr
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Its the part pretty hard to evaluate...

Did aston-reese really had a higher impact last season with no intangible... im not sure

Look like kind of simmonds signing but during habs serie... Simmonds still had a pretty good impact ...

as hockey fan, we can only see hockey part and clearly they are better player than Reaves... Any kind of doubt and we have no idea whats really looking like outside of the ice.

ZAR plays 0 event hockey, which makes him a good 4th liner... that is not an intangible, that is a measurable thing.

Simmonds could still play on the ice to go along with his "intangibles"... he was once a very good player and has skill.

Your last sentence is comical, this board rips half the players for not trying, not caring, being a bad captain, or whatever stuff they make up... intangibles are just a way for people to justify a bad player.

I am fine with tough guys on the team, they just need to be able to play. If they are not effective on the ice but a good locker room guy, sign him as the team DJ/cheerleader, whatever he needs the title to be.

We have put players who we thought were good influences on the players within the organization when they are no longer effective... I am hoping that will be the new norm going forward, not putting them on the ice to negatively impact the game.
 
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High roster turnover year after year is not the key to building a successful TEAM. Roster consistency and players learning and playing together grow together as a team.

Being in CAP HELL and the contract status of the core 4 drives turnover.

This season and next season (which will be even worse) will be transition period for our new GM to get out from under this Cap Hell situation and hopefully towards longer-term planning.,

You simply can't toss a bunch of random players together and expect a cohesive tight team unit and consistent play and winning results.

What alliance or allegiance do Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg have to Toronto other than working for their next contracts and what do current players have to these rental players that are lilkely here only for this season and than squezzed out looking for cheaper replacements the following year with the pending raises of Nylander and Marner and Matthews contracts kicking in?.

Cap hell is not being able to spend 20 million on trash... you type things in bold or all caps and expect them to become true...

We could have run a team of Marlies or under 1 million dollar signings filling in for our signings and likely had the same results or better, and we'd still have like 15 million in cap left...

Knies - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Clifford - Gambrell - Gregor

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

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The only player I miss is Domi right now, and potentially Bertuzzi, the D actually looks better to me.

This roster has 15.8 million in space... such cap hell
 
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Obviously things aren't working out too well currently but who should have been kept from last year that they allowed to let walk?
I would have like to see Lafferty and Acciari back.

But beyond that, there were several useful bottom 6'ers that were signed for more than 1 year for reasonable money. We could have returned Kampf/Acciari/Jarncrok/Lafferty and then added 1-2 of Donato, Eller, Wood, Geekie to build a playoff type bottom 6 with an identity and continuity, instead we chose more offense and "snot" on 1 year deals.

Hopefully it works out. But make no mistake- it wasn't a course of action we were forced into by cap constraints
 
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I would have like to see Lafferty and Acciari back.

But beyond that, there were several useful bottom 6'ers that were signed for more than 1 year for reasonable money. We could have returned Kampf/Acciari/Jarncrok/Lafferty and then added 1-2 of Donato, Eller, Wood, Geekie to build a playoff type bottom 6 with an identity and continuity, instead we chose more offense and snot.

Hopefully it works out. But make no mistake- it wasn't a course of action we were forced into by cap constraints
No they certainly had some money to spend. Seemed (to me anyway) that they were using this as an evaluation year and didn't want to be tied down to anything more than 1 year deals, that limits the market of available players. Reaves is obviously the biggest head scratcher, I'm assuming there is more to that than we know.

So far, not so good but I'm willing to wait and see how Treliving pivots from this, lots of season left.
 
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Cap hell is not being able to spend 20 million on trash... you type things in bold or all caps and expect them to become true...

We could have run a team of Marlies or under 1 million dollar signings filling in for our signings and likely had the same results or better, and we'd still have like 15 million in cap left...

Knies - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Clifford - Gambrell - Gregor

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Woll
Jones

The only player I miss is Domi right now, and potentially Bertuzzi, the D actually looks better to me.

This roster has 15.8 million in space... such cap hell
These people want a future Hall of Fame player to be on their third and fourth lines. Go read what they want out of bottom sixers:

- A guy that can score
- A guy that can hit
- A guy that fights
- A guy that kills penalties
- A guy that is big and can skate well
- A guy that is a threat on the powerplay, preferably with a "booming" slapshot from the point.

I ask the question to these CTE addled smoothbrains, if such a player existed why would he be on any team's bottom six?

They want all that on a cheap cap hit as well. They essentially want prime Eric Lindros - a complete myth of a player.
 

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We had it, and decided to use 5.5 million on a defenseman who can't play defense and a 35 year old goon

Actually Toronto is spending a league-wide high in forwards and proportionally the least in defence and goaltending.

So yes missing on a Klingberg hurts but what also hurts is when two another regulars go down injured ( McCabe / Lilly ) and another’s play takes a sharp dive (Brodie).
 

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Cap hell is not being able to spend 20 million on trash... you type things in bold or all caps and expect them to become true...

We could have run a team of Marlies or under 1 million dollar signings filling in for our signings and likely had the same results or better, and we'd still have like 15 million in cap left...

Knies - Matthews - Marner
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Clifford - Gambrell - Gregor

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

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Jones

The only player I miss is Domi right now, and potentially Bertuzzi, the D actually looks better to me.

This roster has 15.8 million in space... such cap hell
That’s quite the lineup. Solid AHL calibre defence. He had cap space and added what he thought would be secondary scoring, which is one of the teams biggest deficiencies.

Cap space is only good when you have actual good players to sign. The free agency market was thin this offseason and I’m glad he didn’t blow it with handing out too many long term deals (minus Kampf and to a lesser degree Reaves). He can properly evaluate this roster now, and still have that $13 mil from Bert, Domi and Krapberg for next season.

I’m guessing he realizes with the holes to fill, he might have to trade one of his big pieces, it’s hard to fill those through free agency.
 
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