Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Jozay]

This dude really took a 100pt, playoff lock team to a borderline playoff contender at best in one summer

Bravo

 

[kb]

So it’s not Tre’s fault all his adds look like shit because it’s mostly Kyle’s team but the Pens are 100% Kyle’s fault and not Burke/Hextall’s team.

Funny how that works with those that have an agenda, one that doesn't hold up to scrutiny for .05 seconds.

 

[thusk]

Weird how they were top 5 defensively without Muzzin last year. In fact, top 5 without Muzzin, Rielly, Brodie for stretches and both starting goalies injured.

Enough hand waving away this nepo baby’s dogshit decisions, signing the known two worst defensive players in the league and trading away one of our few remaining PKers to fit them in is directly responsible for the difference defensively between last year and this year. The difference between bottom 3 where we are now and #6 we were last year is literally Reaves + Klingberg’s combined minus + our PK being literally half as good as it was last year.

If Reaves was a -3 like the other 2 guys on his line, Klingberg was -3 like our next worst defenseman, and our PK allowed 6 goals per 60 like last year instead of 11 per 60 like this year, our goals against would be exactly where it was last year. The difference is squarely on the new adds/unreplaced departures.

I’m sorry that Treliving is massively incompetent and only got hired because of who his daddy knows, this is what you get with nepotism. You can still enjoy Boston Pizza, it’s ok you won’t get kicked out if you acknowledge that Brad’s direct choices have destroyed our defensive structure.

They was 10th last season on expected goal, 2 ago they was 3rd and 3 year ago 5th in an high offensive covid division...

Brodie lost a gear and looking even closer of a 4th dman right now. And if its really the case, its not only a #2 leafs will need tonfind but #2 and #3...

Gio lost probably 2 gear if not 3... hes nothing else anymore than a 7th d in a good team

Leafs started last season with

Rielly-brodie
Muzzin- Holl
Gio/liljegren
Sandin

They finished the year when treliving step in

Rielly-brodie
Mccabe-liljegren
Gio-timmins

Do you want to spend 3,5M for a holl everyone wanted to be gone? Soucy who never be anything else than a 3rd pair dman in NHL?

Spend 3M 3 years for 34 y/o schenn who already f***ing slow , it is really a great idea? Do you really forget how slow he is? Yes he looked great with rielly but pratically everybody looking better playing with rielly but probably next season he will look as bad than reaves right now...

The reality its all the best option to fix the D are next summer so he did what he had to do, protect all the money available for next summer with their 1 year contract

 

[Menzinger]

As far as realistic alternatives/what ifs - they probably could have extended Gustafsson for less than 2 mil on a one year deal (he currently makes 825k) and he would have been a legitimate upgrade over Klingberg

 

[Divine]

As far as realistic alternatives/what ifs - they probably could have extended Gustafsson for less than 2 mil on a one year deal (he currently makes 825k) and he would have been a legitimate upgrade over Klingberg

It made no sense why he didn't get an opportunity after Dubas specifically picked him over another draft pick.

I'm not sure if that was a Keefe or Dubas decision.

 

[ACC1224]

As far as realistic alternatives/what ifs - they probably could have extended Gustafsson for less than 2 mil on a one year deal (he currently makes 825k) and he would have been a legitimate upgrade over Klingberg

The whole Gustafson thing is weird. Hard to believe the entire league saw no value in him at more than 825.

 

[GoonieFace]

Tatar- cheap regular season place holder. Dont want him? Leave the spot for a Marlie and save more money. The point is not spending more than you need to in the top 6.
Acciari- fine contract. Great versatile bottom 6er thats solid defensively, physical, and works his ass off.
OEL no where near what he was, but at 2m is a nice 4-6 defender

Its light years better defensively, and way easier to effectively deploy.

The weakness of the group is theres no safe minute / matchup line outside of Matthews/Marner. If Bertuzzi/Domi really was plan A, fine, its workable IF the rest of that plan conceded that our 3rd line would likely need sheltering and focused on building defensively sound safeminute 4th line with a couple of plus level pk options.


There were plenty of good depth options available in FA this year. We have our stars, we needed soldiers and complementary pieces.

This teams needs are more than complimentary pieces. They need a top 3 dman at minimum, it’s more evident now with the decline of Gio and Brodie. Goaltending is also an issue.

Dubas spent the past 5 years taping this roster together, while trading picks and stripping the depth for short term fixes. At what point do they realize shuffling the deck chairs isn’t working.

I can’t blame Bundy for not making any big splashes with the minimal amount of time he was granted, but it’s his team to evaluate now, and hopefully he corrects what looks to be like some bad decisions.

 

[Martin Skoula]

This teams needs are more than complimentary pieces. They need a top 3 dman, it’s more evident now with the decline of Gio and Brodie. Injuries haven’t helped, either has putrid goaltending.

Dubas spent the past 5 years taping this roster together, while trading picks and stripping the depth for short term fixes. At what point do they realize shuffling the deck chairs isn’t working.

I can’t blame Bundy for not making any big splashes with the minimal amount of time he was granted, but it’s his team to evaluate now, and hopefully he corrects what looks to be like some bad decisions.

What exactly was he doing for the 30 days between hiring and UFA/NMCs kicking in? It’s not like Dubas took all the existing correspondence of offers/negotiations with other GMs with him when he left.

 

[TimeZone]

Tatar- cheap regular season place holder. Dont want him? Leave the spot for a Marlie and save more money. The point is not spending more than you need to in the top 6.
Acciari- fine contract. Great versatile bottom 6er thats solid defensively, physical, and works his ass off.
OEL no where near what he was, but at 2m is a nice 4-6 defender

Its light years better defensively, and way easier to effectively deploy.

The weakness of the group is theres no safe minute / matchup line outside of Matthews/Marner. If Bertuzzi/Domi really was plan A, fine, its workable IF the rest of that plan conceded that our 3rd line would likely need sheltering and focused on building defensively sound safeminute 4th line with a couple of plus level pk options.


There were plenty of good depth options available in FA this year. We have our stars, we needed soldiers and complementary pieces.

No interest in handing out those of contracts to offensive blackholes like Kampf and Accari, agree to disagree there.

You had Tatar slated in our top 6, we don't have any top six talent ready to make the jump from the Marlies currently, it's not that simple.

OEL is not a nice piece for anybody at this current time, ESPECIALLY not in a 4-5 role, he absolutely blows, and that's being polite.


You're missing the bigger picture, this team has significantly more issues than swapping out Bertuzzi, Domi, Kampf, Klingberg for Duchene, Tatar(or random AHLer), Accari, OEL

This team has significant issues in goal, they lack or or two top 4 Defenseman, a starting goaltender, complimentary scoring.

Your lineup suggestion is relatively sideways quite frankly, it was a weak free agent crop and we have far too many holes than capable of filling with 15-16 million.

The entire structure of this team, quite frankly, is a f***ing mess and has been for a while.

It's sad that regular season success seems to be enough to mask blatant holes and miserable playoff failure for some of you.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Need to swap out Shanahan for some one good
Need to swap out Trvleing for some one good

 

[cyris]

And now Klingberg is already scratched. You know who is a reliable two way forward? Jared McCann. Ring a bell?

Brad's band-aid patches on the open wound have certainly underwhelmed so far, he's open for criticism, but I'm not handing out banners for Dubas and his regular season success, miserable playoff failures either.

Gio is 75 years old and was destined to rapidly decline, Brodie has also significantly declined over the last season or so, we've had some of the most pathetic goaltending in the league through 13 games this Season, it's not as simply and pointing your finger in a single direction for whats transpired to date this season, the team has been mess due to multiple factors at play.

The reality is this team is stuck in purgatory until JT comes off the books, we aren't contending for a championship with 4 players taking up half of our cap, it simply isn't realistic, and we were put in this position by the previous guy.

I'm at the point where I'd rather the wheels fall totally off than be a team built for regular season success only to have complete and utter failure in the playoffs repeatedly.

Okay but once again Dubas is gone. The current GM making bad decisions isn’t excused by the former GM making what you feel were bad decisions.
You can hate the former guy all you want but Brad has shown terrible decision making here.
The Reeves signing showed a terrible understanding of where the game is and where it is going. The Klingberg signing showed a poor understanding of where the team’s strengths were and where their weaknesses were and how to address them.

Luke Schenn and Garnet Hathaway would have cost about the same as Reeves and Klingberg and actually provided team toughness and strong defensive play to go with it. If he wanted to add offence to the back end he could have signed Erik Gustafson for near league minimum. Gus had better offensive numbers last year and so far this year.

 

[thusk]

What exactly was he doing for the 30 days between hiring and UFA/NMCs kicking in? It’s not like Dubas took all the existing correspondence of offers/negotiations with other GMs with him when he left.

Evaluate his team, evaluate his staff, evaluate his player... talk with key player of the club

Try to talk to different team to show his vision talked to coach but unable to reach a deal, guy like hanifin/zadorov/ tanev are pretty easy to imagine, think about plan B, c, d , e, f...

Honestly im not sure if he had 1 night he was able to sleep all night long...

I think some here really underrated everything a gm need to do especially in a new team

 

[ToneDog]

And now Klingberg is already scratched. You know who is a reliable two way forward? Jared McCann. Ring a bell?

Brad's band-aid patches on the open wound have certainly underwhelmed so far, he's open for criticism, but I'm not handing out banners for Dubas and his regular season success, miserable playoff failures either.

Gio is 75 years old and was destined to rapidly decline, Brodie has also significantly declined over the last season or so, we've had some of the most pathetic goaltending in the league through 13 games this Season, it's not as simply and pointing your finger in a single direction for whats transpired to date this season, the team has been mess due to multiple factors at play.

The reality is this team is stuck in purgatory until JT comes off the books, we aren't contending for a championship with 4 players taking up half of our cap, it simply isn't realistic, and we were put in this position by the previous guy.

I'm at the point where I'd rather the wheels fall totally off than be a team built for regular season success only to have complete and utter failure in the playoffs repeatedly.

IMO this team is stuck in purgatory until it stops trying to fill out the roster during the summer and not successfully drafting and developing solid players. Imagine not having to sign Bertuzzi and Domi because we had drafted Seth Jarvis and Dawson Mercer or Klingberg because we had drafted Schneider or Guhle. No need to mention having to sign Reaves because Dubas kept drafting small, skilled forwards.

 

[Kiwi]

I don't think there's any debate that tre has made some very questionable moves

I think the Domi and Bertuzzi signings were fair enough, both those guys can score and one of our major problems last playoffs was our offense disappearing

I could even understand Klingberg to some extent, Besides Mo we were getting nothing offensively from the backend and needed another puck mover

I was lukewarm on the Reeves signing and was so so on Kampf, he'd really fallen off without the Giraffe which was a red flag

Saying all that, what the ****?
I think Domi and Bertuzzi are starting to get comfortable and look better but Klingberg straight up blows and Reeves and Kampf are useless

It's tre's job to fix his **** ups and if he can't I want him gone before he makes things even worse, same for the guy who employed him

Do your job or suffer the consequences

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Okay but once again Dubas is gone. The current GM making bad decisions isn’t excused by the former GM making what you feel were bad decisions.
You can hate the former guy all you want but Brad has shown terrible decision making here.
The Reeves signing showed a terrible understanding of where the game is and where it is going. The Klingberg signing showed a poor understanding of where the team’s strengths were and where their weaknesses were and how to address them.

Luke Schenn and Garnet Hathaway would have cost about the same as Reeves and Klingberg and actually provided team toughness and strong defensive play to go with it. If he wanted to add offence to the back end he could have signed Erik Gustafson for near league minimum. Gus had better offensive numbers last year and so far this year.

Schenn signed for 3 years and Hathaway for 2. If we're upset about Kampf, Hathaway is a much worse player for the same cap. I'm liking that we're going to have another kick at the can this offseason.

Maybe we can snag Hanifin and Pesce. Who tf knows. But I'd much rather flush this year down the toilet than flush the next 3 down the toilet.

Rielly-Pesce
Hanifin-Liljegren
Zadorov-McCabe
Timmins

Looks pretty nice to me.

 

[4thline]

No interest in handing out those of contracts to offensive blackholes like Kampf and Accari, agree to disagree there.

You had Tatar slated in our top 6, we don't have any top six talent ready to make the jump from the Marlies currently, it's not that simple.

OEL is not a nice piece for anybody at this current time, ESPECIALLY not in a 4-5 role, he absolutely blows, and that's being polite.


You're missing the bigger picture, this team has significantly more issues than swapping out Bertuzzi, Domi, Kampf, Klingberg for Duchene, Tatar(or random AHLer), Accari, OEL

This team has significant issues in goal, they lack or or two top 4 Defenseman, a starting goaltender, complimentary scoring.

Your lineup suggestion is relatively sideways quite frankly, it was a weak free agent crop and we have far too many holes than capable of filling with 15-16 million.

The entire structure of this team, quite frankly, is a f***ing mess and has been for a while.

It's sad that regular season success seems to be enough to mask blatant holes and miserable playoff failure for some of you.

Last year is last year, Klingberg was also awful. This year OEL is playing 23 minutes a night with ok results for 2m and change. Was always a better defensive player than Klingberg.

Ive proven the two many holes argument demonstably false. Our 5-9 forwards are slightly more than league average in dollars spend. 1-4 million more than some very good teams. For a team with the most expensive top 4 forwards, havi g the 3rd highest 5th most paid forward league wide was an interesting choice.

The money was there. We'll see if the decision making was. The expectation is to be a top regular season team and do better in the playoffs

 

[TimeZone]

Okay but once again Dubas is gone. The current GM making bad decisions isn’t excused by the former GM making what you feel were bad decisions.
You can hate the former guy all you want but Brad has shown terrible decision making here.
The Reeves signing showed a terrible understanding of where the game is and where it is going. The Klingberg signing showed a poor understanding of where the team’s strengths were and where their weaknesses were and how to address them.

Luke Schenn and Garnet Hathaway would have cost about the same as Reeves and Klingberg and actually provided team toughness and strong defensive play to go with it. If he wanted to add offence to the back end he could have signed Erik Gustafson for near league minimum. Gus had better offensive numbers last year and so far this year.

Tre has made some poor decisions, im a poor spot situation but they're far from the big picture here, 3 out of the 4 of his signings are one year contracts, it's not as if there's some massive risk at stake here that's going to bury us long term.

As far as "What I feel were bad decisions"...Well, do you feel otherwise? Did you like the Foligno deal initially? Did you think it was wise allowing Seattle to take a two way stud in McCann who had underlying numbers that showcased an offensive breakout was far more likely than not to occur?

I can't imagine Schenn would be providing much defensive play and toughness from his hospital bed. I love Schenn, but the guy cashed in big on a lare career nice contract year, his time has come and gone. Would I swap Hathaway for Reaves? Sure I would, do I think that would make a big difference on where we currently are in the standings? No. This team has significantly larger issues at play than who plays 7 minutes a game on their fourth line.

Reaves and Klingberg both look as if they're poised to sit Tomorrow against Calgary.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Evaluate his team, evaluate his staff, evaluate his player... talk with key player of the club

Try to talk to different team to show his vision talked to coach but unable to reach a deal, guy like hanifin/zadorov/ tanev are pretty easy to imagine, think about plan B, c, d , e, f...

Honestly im not sure if he had 1 night he was able to sleep all night long...

I think some here really underrated everything a gm need to do especially in a new team

160 work hours (assuming he’s working a comfortable 9-5 with weekends off for millions a year) to make a couple of phone calls is too much work you’re right.

 

[TimeZone]

Last year is last year, Klingberg was also awful. This year OEL is playing 23 minutes a night with ok results for 2m and change. Was always a better defensive player than Klingberg.

Ive proven the two many holes argument demonstably false. Our 5-9 forwards are slightly more than league average in dollars spend. 1-4 million more than some very good teams. For a team with the most expensive top 4 forwards, havi g the 3rd highest 5th most paid forward league wide was an interesting choice.

The money was there. We'll see if the decision making was. The expectation is to be a top regular season team and do better in the playoffs

1) It's actually more like the last 4 years, OEL is garbage, if we're replacing garbage I'd rather not replace it with more garbage. I'm not going to sit here and debate who blows less between Klingberg and OEL, they're both trash at the end of the day and I wouldn't want either one on my team.

2) No you haven't, especially considering we have 4/12 currently taking up nearly half of our entire cap. How many successful franchies around the league have a similar setup to this?

3) The money wasn't there, your lineup had players coming in assuming they would be willing to come into Toronto, pay higher taxes, deal with massively increased pressure and significantly shittier weather as opposed to where they chose to sign and the forward group still appeared worse on paper than what we're currently running with a slight upgrade on defense and the same turd tandem in goal.

 

[KPower]

The Justin Trudeau of GMs. He’s destroys everything he touches.

 

[Gallagbi]

The whole Gustafson thing is weird. Hard to believe the entire league saw no value in him at more than 825.

It is nice to hit on those like we did with Bunting and even Kampf. Not too painful when they flop, but im betting he wanted some guaranteed playing time that we didnt want to commit to.

Still tough to say the alternative has been anything positive in Klingberg. Just a baffling signing overall.

 

[thusk]

160 work hours (assuming he’s working a comfortable 9-5 with weekends off for millions a year) to make a couple of phone calls is too much work you’re right.

Of youre thinking the only thing a gm doing is talking to phone

Your probably not even know 5% of gm job and your reacting like your already know every thing hes doing... thats just funny, continu its really entertaining

 

[Martin Skoula]

1) It's actually more like the last 4 years, OEL is garbage, if we're replacing garbage I'd rather not replace it with more garbage. I'm not going to sit here and debate who blows less between Klingberg and OEL, they're both trash at the end of the day and I wouldn't want either one on my team.

2) No you haven't, especially considering we have 4/12 currently taking up nearly half of our entire cap. How many successful franchies around the league have a similar setup to this?

3) The money wasn't there, your lineup had players coming in assuming they would be willing to come into Toronto, pay higher taxes, deal with massively increased pressure and significantly shittier weather as opposed to where they chose to sign and the forward group still appeared worse on paper than what we're currently running with a slight upgrade on defense and the same turd tandem in goal.

Can you show me a contender with a more expensive bottom-6 than us?

Vegas most expensive bottom-6 forward: 1.9mil
Boston: 2mil
Avs: 2.5 mil, cheaper depth than us

Dallas is really the only one that’s more expensive because Marchement is overpaid for a fourth liner and they’re running luxury depth in guys like Duchene and Faksa.

We spend more on our depth than most teams and almost all contenders, we just get some of the worst bang for the buck on it.

 

[4thline]

1) It's actually more like the last 4 years, OEL is garbage, if we're replacing garbage I'd rather not replace it with more garbage. I'm not going to sit here and debate who blows less between Klingberg and OEL, they're both trash at the end of the day and I wouldn't want either one on my team.

OEL was Garbage. This year he's a a 23min a night defender getting decent results against top pairing competition for ~2million. One team picked the right reclamation project. It wasn't us.

2) No you haven't, especially considering we have 4/12 currently taking up nearly half of our entire cap. How many successful franchies around the league have a similar setup to this?

My bad, that was in a different thread. It's not a matter of opinion. Our cheapness in goal allows for an average/above average middle F spend and an average/below average D spend.

3) The money wasn't there

Yes it was. Your standards are just out of wack. We don't have to overspend on depth to make it work. We just have to choose the right players.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Everyone thought at the time Bertuzzi was an amazing signing and who knows, he might still be in the coming months. These days he is starting to look a little better.

Domi performed well in the playoffs last year and provided some grit.

Both of these signings at the time were justifiable.

Everyone was scratching their head with the Klingberg deal though. We could've gotten the same amount of offense with better defensive play. Klingberg has non-existent defence. I was hoping his offensive production would mask his shitty defensive play but there is no saving there. Even his offense sucks.

Reaves has been trash. So only two of his signings have really done something so far.

Not a good start.