Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[arso40]

We also won game 5 on the back of the Marner line, and Tavares' drive to the net in OT.

Marner line?? Really?? Gimme a break that's the domi line at this point he leads the team in points for God sakes

 

[Shooter2x]

The real take away this season for Tre is that majority of us can agree on this conclusion:

If a premium physical guy becomes available, Tre will make an attempt.

If a premium skill guy becomes available , Tre will make an attempt.

If it's not worth emptying the cupboard and compromising building internally, he won't make the attempt. He'll sacrifice cap space instead for a dart board throw and low level picks to address weaknesses in a well oiled machine approach.


There is zeroooooo evidence to suggest otherwise unless you want to play the what if fantasy game on current affairs of the league.


Now /thread and onto game 7

 

[Shooter2x]

It's a short post but deep post that require thought.

Well played.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

We will draft in 1st round again this year to add to Cowan and Knies and JT cap hit slashed in half or more the year after and our 3 best players are still young.This is not a 1 year fix need to bide time before we can make big trade because we cant afford to miss and they will want long term deals if big expensive trade like how boston tampa and vegas does it.

This can happen as soon as next season since the new cap hit applies when JTs is done.

But current team today is still capable of winning the cup and you can ask Boston what they think about our defence when they shoot from 100 miles away because they're scared to come to the net.

 

[IPS]

We did bring in at least one top-4 defenseman pretty much every year though, even when we needed it much less than this year.
And we had a better diversity of attributes within our defensemen.

This isn't hindsight. This has been a glaring issue since the offseason, that was discussed in the offseason and throughout the entire year, including at the deadline when we just spent picks on more of what we had.

He inherited a good defensive team with a good mix of attributes. He went way too hard after physicality, at the expense of other valuable attributes, failed to address the top-4 of our defense and losses from the roster, inserted some of the worst defensive players in the league throughout the roster, and ignored PKing. As a result, we're worse defensively, worse on the PK, and we're really struggling with transition because we're missing key attributes in our back-end.

you are setting yourself up for a massive fall if the Leafs get the W tonight and god it's gonna be hilarious.

 

[crump]

While the core is the same. Treliving has put his stamp on the D core and some snot up front. While I’m posting before a possible letdown after a valiant playoff drive, the subtleties of the lineup has morphed this team from a possession transition team to a dump and chase forcheck team. With the an ability to jump on mistakes. Losing Matthews is massive, but the players have bought in.

Below is game roster from the Florida series last year compared to this years edition. Forwards are pretty much the same, D core is bigger meaner.

 

[Bomber0104]

While the core is the same. Treliving has put his stamp on the D core and some snot up front. While I’m posting before a possible letdown after a valiant playoff drive, the subtleties of the lineup has morphed this team from a possession transition team to a dump and chase forcheck team. With the an ability to jump on mistakes. Losing Matthews is massive, but the players have bought in.

Below is game roster from the Florida series last year compared to this years edition. Forwards are pretty much the same, D core is bigger meaner.

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Yeah but from what I just read above, TJ Brodie (pressboxed due to terrible play) and Justin Holl (pressboxed for a large portion of the regular season on a non-playoff team due to terrible play) are losses too big to overcome for this team

 

[Shooter2x]

The common ground at least is both sides agree we lack a top 4 mobile D.

What differs is how the blame and future outlook is stated. It's refreshing knowing that the trend seems to be towards the "everything is going to be okay" instead of doom and gloom.

 

[Bomber0104]

Over the last 5 playoffs:

The cut-off I used was 10 games, so only 175 D to compare with.

Gio, Schenn, and Muzzin are all top 50 for D blocks/60
Rielly, Brodie, Holl, and Lub are all top 100 for D in block/60

Schenn, Lub, McCabe, Muzzin, and Timmins are all top 50 for D hits/60
Liljegren and Holl are all top 100 for D hits/60

The cut-off I used was 10 games, so only 336 forwards to compare with.

Acciari, Kerfoot, and Matthews are all top 50 for F blocks/60
Nash, Knies, ZAR, Foligno, and Kase are all top 100 for F in block/60

Acciari, NAK, Ritchie, and Lafferty are all top 50 for F hits/60
Knies, ZAR, Foligno, and Galchenyuk are all top 100 for F hits/60

We've always had these types of players, they block a lot of shots and hit.

Never understand people who say we have a bunch of guys who don't play the "playoff style"... this team maybe has a couple more than usual, but we've always had those types.

This is a pretty unintelligent, lazy, and misleading way of looking at things citing guys like Rielly Nash and Foligno who played 2 and 4 playoff games respectively and saying they've "always been here". 10 game cutoff not reached, clearly

The fact is the Leafs are averaging a touch over 50 hits per-60 minutes of play during these playoffs. This was quite an intentional outcome of bringing in the off-season and deadline pieces we did.

The average of the previous five years of Dubas soft-as-butter, loser playoff hockey was a paltry 33 hits per-60.

 

[notbias]

This is a pretty unintelligent, lazy, and misleading way of looking at things citing guys like Rielly Nash and Foligno who played 2 and 4 playoff games respectively and saying they've "always been here". 10 game cutoff not reached, clearly

The fact is the Leafs are averaging a touch over 50 hits per-60 minutes of play during these playoffs. This was quite an intentional outcome of bringing in the off-season and deadline pieces we did.

The average of the previous five years of Dubas soft-as-butter, loser playoff hockey was a paltry 33 hits per-60.

This is a pretty unintelligent, lazy, and misleading way of looking at things.

In the last 2 games where they've played their best, it is down to 41 hits/60.

Seems like they stopped playing a playoff style and have shifted to more of a Dubas soft-as-butter, loser playoff hockey.

The players I referenced were to show that we've brought them in... we've had those players every year. I didn't think this was a difficult concept, but maybe it is for some.

 

[Bomber0104]

This is a pretty unintelligent, lazy, and misleading way of looking at things.

In the last 2 games where they've played their best, it is down to 41 hits/60.

Seems like they stopped playing a playoff style and have shifted to more of a Dubas soft-as-butter, loser playoff hockey.

The players I referenced were to show that we've brought them in... we've had those players every year. I didn't think this was a difficult concept, but maybe it is for some.

And counting single and double digit numbers seems to be hard for you

41 is a larger number than 33. And 2 and 4 games are less than 10 games.

Let's do another math exercise with you.

The number 3

That's the amount of playoff wins the Leafs have this so far this year.

That matches the amount of playoff+play-in-round wins the Leafs got in 4 of the past 5 seasons (the number 4 is one less than 5 FYI) with the loser ex-GM that couldn't even put a playoff team together in Pittsburgh.

Math is so fun!

 

[Mess]

Trivia

1) Who was the last Leafs GM down 3-1 in a series and the underdog to boot, to come back and win and advance?

You just might be looking at the Leafs current GM for that answer.

2) Who was the Leafs last pathetic clueless GM that was up 3-1 in a series and the heavy favourites to boot, only to have the opposition come back and win and advance?

You are currently looking at the guy who replaced him.

Treliving has an opportunity today to erase a bitter embarrassment on Leafs recent history, and also simultaneously propel the Leafs forward as well as mercifully end a string of playoff losses dating back to 1958 as the last time a Leafs GM iced a Leafs roster that defeated the Bruins.

Today's game #7 has the potential to do a 180 degree turn on Leafs organization fortunes that won't soon be forgotten by a long suffering fan base.

A win today will equal the achievement that matches what it took the past GM 5 years to achieve.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It's a low scoring series because our 40 million isn't worth 40 million. It sucks that they're hurt, but that fact that we're winning anyway is very telling.

I think it's the big brother syndrome with this team. They expect AM to win the game for them and they don't feel as important or needed when he is on his game but when he is out...nobody is going to be able to win it single handedly like AM can (except maybe Willy) and they all buckle down and try that extra little bit. It's why I think they always seem to have a better record than one would expect with one of the core 4 missing.

 

[uncleben]

Treliving wouldn't even be able to trade for Tyson Barrie with the draft pick setup he inherit . Klingberg was a nice gamble. Rielly klingberg followed by royal rumble would have been perfect If berg was healthy.

Not the best example...

In terms of draft capital, Treliving spent more on Edmundson then the picks used to acquire Barrie in his prime.

We gave up a 3rd and got back a 6th in the Barrie deal. Of course, there was more to the deal with Kadri, Kerfoot, and Rosen, but not the best analogy in terms of draft picks...

 

[uncleben]

Trivia

1) Who was the last Leafs GM down 3-1 in a series and the underdog to boot, to come back and win and advance?

You just might be looking at the Leafs current GM for that answer.

2) Who was the Leafs last pathetic clueless GM that was up 3-1 in a series and the heavy favourites to boot, only to have the opposition come back and win and advance?

You are currently looking at the guy who replaced him.

Treliving has an opportunity today to erase a bitter embarrassment on Leafs recent history, and also simultaneously propel the Leafs forward as well as mercifully end a string of playoff losses dating back to 1958 as the last time a Leafs GM iced a Leafs roster that defeated the Bruins.

Today's game #7 has the potential to do a 180 degree turn on Leafs organization fortunes that won't soon be forgotten by a long suffering fan base.

A win today will equal the achievement that matches what it took the past GM 5 years to achieve.

Why are we pretending any of this exists in a vacuum?

A win today will equal the achievement that matches what it took the past GM 5 years to achieve... using almost the same roster, the same core, the same coach, as the previous GM whose team did do it last year.


You could just as easily say

A loss today will prove this GM is not as good as the previous GM.

It's a little silly, either way.

 

[leafs in five]

If the Leafs win Game 7, you might just self destruct.

I think it will be nice, actually, when the people who have been cheering against this team for the last 5 years, and the people who have been hating on them this year, come together to celebrate a game 7 win

 

[Woodman19]

I think it will be nice, actually, when the people who have been cheering against this team for the last 5 years, and the people who have been hating on them this year, come together to celebrate a game 7 win

There will still be fighting over who's fault it was it even went 7 games. Leaf fans can never just be happy lol

 

[seventieslord]

Is it? Seems that finally having a goalie do what opposing goalies have done to us in many years is working. Let's hope he keeps it up, and we somehow continue avoiding the PK.

Yes, it is. There are some fans who like to say that we just get goalied every single year but I feel like this is exactly what happened to us versus florida, columbus, montreal, and at least at some selected times during Tampa Bay and Boston in the past, in those deciding games where we couldn't get anything going.

Florida, columbus, and Montreal were full of bottom pairing defensemen that clogged the slot and made sure that the guys on the perimeter couldn't get a good look. Now our guys are doing the same thing, and you're falling into the same trap saying that we are goalieing them. Absolutely Woll is playing very well. But a lot of credit goes to these so-called butchers.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yes, it is. There are some fans who like to say that we just get goalied every single year but I feel like this is exactly what happened to us versus florida, columbus, montreal, and at least at some selected times during Tampa Bay and Boston in the past, in those deciding games where we couldn't get anything going.

Florida, columbus, and Montreal were full of bottom paying defense men that clogged the slot and made sure that the guys on the perimeter couldn't get a good look. Now our guys are doing the same thing, and you're falling into the same trap saying that we are goalieing them. Absolutely Woll is playing very well. But a lot of credit goes to these so-called butchers.

Why didn’t they do the same thing for Samsonov?

 

[notbias]

Yes, it is. There are some fans who like to say that we just get goalied every single year but I feel like this is exactly what happened to us versus florida, columbus, montreal, and at least at some selected times during Tampa Bay and Boston in the past, in those deciding games where we couldn't get anything going.

Florida, columbus, and Montreal were full of bottom pairing defensemen that clogged the slot and made sure that the guys on the perimeter couldn't get a good look. Now our guys are doing the same thing, and you're falling into the same trap saying that we are goalieing them. Absolutely Woll is playing very well. But a lot of credit goes to these so-called butchers.

Unfortunately, I am not sure there is anything that supports this.

Everything points to Woll playing amazingly.

 

[Apex Predator]

Is this a Dubas Vs Tre thing? Bc I think Lou drafted AM while Burke drafted Reilly, Hunter drafted MM and Norris drafted Willie, are we going to give them credit if Leafs win the Cup?

Lou also drafted Woll.

 

[ToneDog]

Is this a Dubas Vs Tre thing? Bc I think Lou drafted AM while Burke drafted Reilly, Hunter drafted MM and Norris drafted Willie, are we going to give them credit if Leafs win the Cup?

If they win the Cup, I am petitioning to have Dubas' name engraved on the Cup because had he not pulled that PP on Shanny, he would still be here and we'd be golfing already.

 

[notbias]

If they win the Cup, I am petitioning to have Dubas' name engraved on the Cup because had he not pulled that PP on Shanny, he would still be here and we'd be golfing already.

like last year.... wait a second.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Why didn’t they do the same thing for Samsonov?

My guess is that they felt that it was pointless in that he was going to give up at least 1 shitty goal every game at a minimum after seeing him play the first couple of games. They probably figured if they worked like demons to stop most of the shots getting through...he would still let in a back breaker....so they assumed they had to score their way out of this mess vs playing shut down hockey.

Lou also drafted Woll.

Lou also drafted Ian Scott instead of Swayman with the pick right in front of Boston....

 

[freshwind]

Lou also drafted Ian Scott instead of Swayman with the pick right in front of Boston....

I liked the Scott pick, very unfortunate his body gave out on him very young, I thought he was gonna be a good one ....