Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[hotpaws]

Our non-core pieces are mostly garbage which is why we want to upgrade them. And most of our picks are already gone. We can't eat cap space unless we can find players that mysteriously go on LTIR.

Do people not understand that the cupboard was emptied out by Dubas and the other GMs aren't trying to help us out? What does a single middle 1st do to help this team?

they do but they no one wants to believe we're f***ed

it's much easier to believe Tavares is an elite franchise superstar who just had some bad puck luck , Brodie and Gio aren't washed and we're only an avg middle pair D away from being a top cup contender

 

[BayStBullies]

With every single non core piece, this year’s draft picks and future draft picks/prospects.
With the core they are paying, they have no choice but to continually be all in.
Until they either win the Cup or burn out.

Going all in with the existing interim coach is counter productive.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't, @Jamason is the one that thinks Nylander is being groomed to be a center even though there is not, and never has been ANY indication that that's the case.

The fact that they are looking for a center is proof of that because if he could do it full-time he'd already be doing it, he's been in the league since 2016.

And when I say he'd already be doing it I don't mean Kampf is hurt so Willy takes a couple faceoffs on the PK that's not what that means.

I mean he'd be a full-time center now, today.

He's not, because he's not a center.

He can do it for a scattered shift, maybe even a game or 2.

BUT He IS a winger.

First off, it wasn't me who suggested he was being groomed as a centre, it was @ULF_55, and as 2C, not 3C.

Second, the suggestion was that Tre was the impetus, and he certainly hasn't been here since 2016.

Nylander played centre in junior, was drafted as a centre, played centre in the minors, and still plays centre for Sweden, so I'm not sure why you are so adamant that "he's not a centre".

Do you really want your second or third best player on the third line? Since Dubas made the mistake of signing JT as 2C, Willy is either playing RW on one of the top two lines, or 3C.

Now that Dubas is gone and JT is fading fast (at least as far as 5-on-5 goes), maybe it's time Willy was transitioned back to his natural position.

 

[kevsh]

With what? Future considerations?

He has very few picks & a very shallow prospect pool to work with so I do hope he asks the same questions you're asking if he gets pressure from above to make a big splash. Hopefully, if nothing else, the lack of assets to work with is what stops him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

First off, it wasn't me who suggested he was being groomed as a centre, it was @ULF_55, and as 2C, not 3C.

Second, the suggestion was that Tre was the impetus, and he certainly hasn't been here since 2016.

Nylander played centre in junior, was drafted as a centre, played centre in the minors, and still plays centre for Sweden, so I'm not sure why you are so adamant that "he's not a centre".

Do you really want your second or third best player on the third line? Since Dubas made the mistake of signing JT as 2C, Willy is either playing RW on one of the top two lines, or 3C.

Now that Dubas is gone and JT is fading fast (at least as far as 5-on-5 goes), maybe it's time Willy was transitioned back to his natural position.

I don't care if he was drafted as a center so was Phil Kessel he's not a center either.

I don't care if he played center in junior lots of players do, the majority don't end up as centers.

I don't care that he plays center for Sweden lots of players players play different positions for their national team, Bergeron played wing on a line with Crosby whenever they played together and I'm willing to bet Crosby will do the same with Mcdavid next year at the 4 nations cup and in 2026 at the Olympics.

Neither Bergeron nor Crosby are wingers.

Centers play center at the NHL level 99% of the time Nylander doesn't because he's not a center.

They have tried it multiple times it never lasts there is a reason for that.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They have not needed Nylander, drafted as a Center, to play center on the top 2 lines while they had veteran centers on the team.
Bozak
Kadri
Matthews
Tavares

2017-2018 season before Tavares
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You think he was going to knock Matthews or Tavares out of the center position?

No but he could have taken over as a center for Kadri, he didn't because he's a GREAT winger
No, but Kadri? Yeah he could have

 

[Tak7]

First off, it wasn't me who suggested he was being groomed as a centre, it was @ULF_55, and as 2C, not 3C.

Second, the suggestion was that Tre was the impetus, and he certainly hasn't been here since 2016.

Nylander played centre in junior, was drafted as a centre, played centre in the minors, and still plays centre for Sweden, so I'm not sure why you are so adamant that "he's not a centre".

Do you really want your second or third best player on the third line? Since Dubas made the mistake of signing JT as 2C, Willy is either playing RW on one of the top two lines, or 3C.

Now that Dubas is gone and JT is fading fast (at least as far as 5-on-5 goes), maybe it's time Willy was transitioned back to his natural position.

Nylander was drafted as a C/LW, not one or the other.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't care if he was drafted as a center so was Phil Kessel he's not a center either.

I don't care if he played center in junior lots of players do, the majority don't end up as centers.

I don't care that he plays center for Sweden lots of players players play different positions for their national team, Bergeron played wing on a line with Crosby whenever they played together and I'm willing to bet Crosby will do the same with Mcdavid next year at the 4 nations cup and in 2026 at the Olympics.

Neither Bergeron nor Crosby are wingers.

Centers play center at the NHL level 99% of the time Nylander doesn't because he's not a center.

They have tried it multiple times it never lasts there is a reason for that.

That you don't care for the facts doesn't make them any less factual. It just makes you look silly.

Your examples of Bergeron and Crosby (centres who will play on the wing if needed) just reinforces my point - if you have too many top Cs, one will play the wing. Do you think if Bergeron or Crosby play the wing it means they aren't centres any more?

He has played centre a few times when JT was injured. I'm sure someone played centre when Crosby was injured, but it doesn't mean the reason he stopped was that he couldn't, just that Crosby came back.

 

[notDatsyuk]

No but he could have taken over as a center for Kadri, he didn't because he's a GREAT winger
No, but Kadri? Yeah he could have

In the 17-18 season he was fourth on the team in faceoffs (right behind Matthews) and had a better winning % than Kadri.

The next year, we had JT. Again (I noticed you didn't answer it last time) would you play him at 3C or 2W?

Nylander was drafted as a C/LW, not one or the other.

C/RW, but yes. Thanks.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Mar 9 we will see what Treliving is.

 

[Leafshater67]

He should have traded Nylander or Marner. Now it’s too late to trade Marner and Nylander’s huge contract just continues the cap issues for years to come.

He should have found a way to get Brett Pesce for Nylander. Now they’re gonna sign Marner for 13m too and continue all the same issues and be the laughing stock of the league.

Also, why the hell is Keefe still the coach? Stop rewarding failure and stop doubling down on it. Yes, Dubas did a horrible job with contracts and crippled the team but Treliving just took the easy way out and maintained the same garbage and ensured they will never win. It’s gut check time and has been for some time. The shanaplan has failed with a capital F. Heads need to roll.

I hope they get absolutely smoked in the playoffs this year so something happens. I’m so sick of this same BS.

 

[Racer88]

Mar 9 we will see what Treliving is.

We will see how badly his hands are tied on March 9

 

[Niagara Bill]

We will see how badly his hands are tied on March 9

Are you suggesting Shanny would say no, or the board has final say?

 

[stats1]

As much as some people think we should be going all in, I’m not sure that’s what Brad will do. If there is a deal it’s probably going to be Tanev or Hanifan, both guys I wouldn’t touch, both are either well past 30 or upcoming free agent. But alas, I’m not the GM, question becomes does Brad believe in this team. From this fan’s perspective I don’t

 

[RunItBackAgain]

He should have traded Nylander or Marner. Now it’s too late to trade Marner and Nylander’s huge contract just continues the cap issues for years to come.

He should have found a way to get Brett Pesce for Nylander. Now they’re gonna sign Marner for 13m too and continue all the same issues and be the laughing stock of the league.

Also, why the hell is Keefe still the coach? Stop rewarding failure and stop doubling down on it. Yes, Dubas did a horrible job with contracts and crippled the team but Treliving just took the easy way out and maintained the same garbage and ensured they will never win. It’s gut check time and has been for some time. The shanaplan has failed with a capital F. Heads need to roll.

I hope they get absolutely smoked in the playoffs this year so something happens. I’m so sick of this same BS.

We are and have been the laughing stock of the league for a long long time. This barely moves the needle. Unless somehow we sink below Arizona we can’t go any lower.

 

[Racer88]

We will see how badly his hands are tied on March 9

Partly and partly how bad the cap situation is

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Are you suggesting Shanny would say no, or the board has final say?

The board has and will always have the final say on decisions of consequence.

 

[Niagara Bill]

So trading Bert is consequential

 

[saffronleaf]

He's passing all the tests!

 

[wingman75]

I mean, he took a swing... and missed.

The only hit was on Jones, and they has already played itself out.

Now, what does he do for corrections? Does he double down?

Inquiring minds want to know. For me, I will be awfully disappointed if we move assets to add to this roster for a playoff run.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I mean, he took a swing... and missed.

The only hit was on Jones, and they has already played itself out.

Now, what does he do for corrections? Does he double down?

Inquiring minds want to know. For me, I will be awfully disappointed if we move assets to add to this roster for a playoff run.

You don't think Benoit was a hit?

 

[Aashir]

The only saving grace is domi, klingberg, bertuzzi are 1 year deals

domi if he wants the same or less i'd resign, otherwise he can join his 100th different team. Other two are hard no's

he has a bit of capspace to play with next year, he better get creative with how he uses it

 

[wingman75]

You don't think Benoit was a hit?

Yes, that was a homerun for sure. I was generalizing I guess. But if we want to get into specifics, I feel the hits were:

Benoit
Jones

I am on the fence about:

Gregor (fills a role, I have low expectations and he has met them)

The misses were:

Bertuzzi (that should have worked)
Reaves (for 1 year, sure, 3 no effin way, even if he was great we could have extended)
Kampf (he has fallen off a bit, maybe unexpected)

I felt one of the core had to go, with the Nylander contract feels like it is Marner which is a mistake imo. Marner has more upside and a way better 100 ft game. Tavares is not going anywhere and will resign at a lower hit in two seasons.

Interested to see what he does next.

Brining in D on short term or expiring contracts is pointless imo as I am not sure we have the cap to resign anyone.

 

[All Mod Cons]

The only saving grace is domi, klingberg, bertuzzi are 1 year deals

domi if he wants the same or less i'd resign, otherwise he can join his 100th different team. Other two are hard no's

he has a bit of capspace to play with next year, he better get creative with how he uses it

How though? His options are overpay in FA or overpay in FA. This is the issue with not having any middle ground salary players. You've either got to trade guys making 11mil+ which is nigh on impossible. Or guys making minimum wage who can't get you back much in return.

We are bereft of draft picks and fairly low on prospects. I honestly don't see how you turn this around unless you increase your draft picks (f*** knows how) or somehow get a haul for Marner/Nylander (again, f*** knows how).

Yes, that was a homerun for sure. I was generalizing I guess. But if we want to get into specifics, I feel the hits were:

Benoit
Jones

I am on the fence about:

Gregor (fills a role, I have low expectations and he has met them)

The misses were:

Bertuzzi (that should have worked)
Reaves (for 1 year, sure, 3 no effin way, even if he was great we could have extended)
Kampf (he has fallen off a bit, maybe unexpected)

I felt one of the core had to go, with the Nylander contract feels like it is Marner which is a mistake imo. Marner has more upside and a way better 100 ft game. Tavares is not going anywhere and will resign at a lower hit in two seasons.

Interested to see what he does next.

Brining in D on short term or expiring contracts is pointless imo as I am not sure we have the cap to resign anyone.

I think Jones, Benoit, Lagesson and Domi have been hits to various degrees.

Bertuzzi is playing the worst hockey of his career without a doubt.

 

[wingman75]

I think Jones, Benoit, Lagesson and Domi have been hits to various degrees.

Bertuzzi is playing the worst hockey of his career without a doubt.

I don't think Lagesson turns into anything. Has time to flesh out his game I guess, but right now he is not in the business of pushing this team over the top.. which is what most of these moves were supposed to do.

I knew I forgot someone, Domi... he is a guy I feel needs more ice time, and I think the coaches knew that and that was why they started him on the wing so he could go up and down the lineup. Bit of an oops there when he can't play on the wing (which is bizarre imo).

As much as people are ragging on JT, Domi is not better, certainly not over the run of a full season, so he gets stuck on 3 with little help around him. To be fair, Nicky Bobby has shown some flashes. Tonight was not one of those nights lol.