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What players? The Leafs core has failed every time they’ve been challenged. Every single time. They don’t belong in the conversation.
Brad Treliving- 1st year complete.
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Leafsfan74
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You guys are over reacting. Look, Leafs aren't going to win anything with Marner on this team eating up so much cap with little bite in his game. Ditto to a lesser degree with JT.
The differences between the two players are simple: JT was a free agent with offers for more money elsehwhere, Marner was an RFA. JT has some clutch goals in the playoffs, though too few, one was an OT series winner against TB.
Most importantly, JT, even if unhappy about it, accepted a lower role in the lineup. That is true leadership rather than ego.
So, all that said, don't expect the Leafs to win the Cup, maybe not even a round again until Marner is gone and JT is making significantly less or off the books. I'd offer him $4.5 for three years at the end of this contract. If not, time to move on I guess.
The Cap is expected to increase which is also a benefit to the Leafs.
It's very difficult to win a Cup in this league. They wasted some very good years without the Gamers in place to win a Game Seven. At least bring in the damn Gamers. Tanev was highly touted by teams, Leafs overpaid in tenure. It is what Brad felt was needed. He will have a coach who loves his style.
I say this, Leafs management better listen as we all have our ear to the ground on the fanbases anger; bring in the Gamers and tell Berube "no kid gloves for anyone. Not even a single game".
The differences between the two players are simple: JT was a free agent with offers for more money elsehwhere, Marner was an RFA. JT has some clutch goals in the playoffs, though too few, one was an OT series winner against TB.
Most importantly, JT, even if unhappy about it, accepted a lower role in the lineup. That is true leadership rather than ego.
So, all that said, don't expect the Leafs to win the Cup, maybe not even a round again until Marner is gone and JT is making significantly less or off the books. I'd offer him $4.5 for three years at the end of this contract. If not, time to move on I guess.
The Cap is expected to increase which is also a benefit to the Leafs.
It's very difficult to win a Cup in this league. They wasted some very good years without the Gamers in place to win a Game Seven. At least bring in the damn Gamers. Tanev was highly touted by teams, Leafs overpaid in tenure. It is what Brad felt was needed. He will have a coach who loves his style.
I say this, Leafs management better listen as we all have our ear to the ground on the fanbases anger; bring in the Gamers and tell Berube "no kid gloves for anyone. Not even a single game".
Cup totals the same for both. Oh my it’s the end of the world we only went to the 2nd round once. Not a lot of difference, in fact we are better than the Oilers but I suppose to some head to head regular season games mean squat.
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The Leafs core are not superstars, they’re followers. If Drai was healthy and was able to shoot they probably win the Cup. The Leafs so called leader laughed at getting rag dolled and getting his ass kicked by TTOE. The worst part about that loss or any other failure they’ve encountered, there was nothing he could have done about it.
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Our fan base is beyond stupid. Sorry for saying that but a very large % of our fan base can’t look big picture.
Heck, my favourite leading up to free agency (I did some too for fun) are the let’s do these 7 seven trades and sign these six guys. Viola!!! Not to mention over half the scenarios included last year’s salary figures. Then penciling in guys at 60% of what they signed for.
I don’t mind the signings in a vacuum and compared to other signings I saw.
The truth is, until we deal with Mitch and reallocate JT’s money, we are nothing more than a “ good team”.
I think after JT/Marner, it starts a 2-3 year last cup contending window for the Leafs. A lot things will need to go right, youth stepping up, goal tending, one more top 4RD and depth forwards.
Calm your boobs everyone, we aren’t winning the cup this year. Can’t fix everything in one off season.
Heck, my favourite leading up to free agency (I did some too for fun) are the let’s do these 7 seven trades and sign these six guys. Viola!!! Not to mention over half the scenarios included last year’s salary figures. Then penciling in guys at 60% of what they signed for.
I don’t mind the signings in a vacuum and compared to other signings I saw.
The truth is, until we deal with Mitch and reallocate JT’s money, we are nothing more than a “ good team”.
I think after JT/Marner, it starts a 2-3 year last cup contending window for the Leafs. A lot things will need to go right, youth stepping up, goal tending, one more top 4RD and depth forwards.
Calm your boobs everyone, we aren’t winning the cup this year. Can’t fix everything in one off season.
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Al14
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I finally voted. Since Marner is still a Leaf on July 1st, he has failed in his first year IMHO.
After the 3 stooges promised change, no real changes are taking place. Just some more shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic.
REAL changes are needed to this core, NMCs or not.
f*** you Pelley, Shanhan, and Treliving. We can't hold Dubas accountable forever !!!
After the 3 stooges promised change, no real changes are taking place. Just some more shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic.
REAL changes are needed to this core, NMCs or not.
f*** you Pelley, Shanhan, and Treliving. We can't hold Dubas accountable forever !!!
DarkKnight
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TSN deadline desk giving us an A, saying we've rebuilt our blue line with not much cap space, on a day when D men are a premium.
I agree. On paper our best D corp I can remember. Long term is an unknown, but we're in win now and we've definitely upgraded.
I agree. On paper our best D corp I can remember. Long term is an unknown, but we're in win now and we've definitely upgraded.
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Just look at the SIZE of these Giant Red Woods on Defense,
Brad Treliving Day #1 of UFA season A++++
Big, Mean and Mobile ... You knew it was coming. !!!!
Fully agree. The forward groups needs some work now and I am betting they understand that. Still a long way to camp and the start of the season, so I’m expecting moves will be made.
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NMCs are a reality. If they didn't try, I would be disappointed. But I think they did try. Marner is probably asking for $13 million. There is nobody going to trade for that. And Tavares isn't going to waive. As long as neither are given a new deal, that is enough for me. I don't want Tavares at $6. I don't want Tavares at $4.
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i already brought that up. like throwing out FBombs that they didn't do what you wanted in two weeks after the cup was won (because remember most big moves never happen during the playoffs). and screaming how they failed makes no sense to me. and saying how we HAVE to do things irregardless of an NMC - like you know we can just ignore it and we're choosing not to is just being being childish if we're being frank - frustrated or not
and why do you think so? (in both cases).
Trapper
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2nd verse, same as the first.
If we can’t trade him because he won’t waive or nobody wants him fine, don’t pay the overpay again. Did that, that’s enough.
Then it’s a great day.
Hope he doesn’t compound that great day by giving Marner a 12+ million extension.
If we can’t trade him because he won’t waive or nobody wants him fine, don’t pay the overpay again. Did that, that’s enough.
Then it’s a great day.
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Trapper
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He is untouchable. Nobody is touching the next contract.
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Treliving signed 4 D, and 3 of them are around 190, which is what their actual size is.
He signed our 3 smallest D... did he get "Big, Mean and Mobile" D?
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Without a top pairing D and going with 2 3/4 or 2 5/6 it’ll be interesting to see if they can get the puck out of their own end.
Their D is much better than previous yrs and if they make the playoffs and Domi and McMann don’t get injured they could win a round.
Their D is much better than previous yrs and if they make the playoffs and Domi and McMann don’t get injured they could win a round.
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I always felt like I could start to assess Treliving once he was on the job for a full year. He joined at a tough time last year and I didn't love the Klingberg or Reaves signings at all. I thought Bertuzzi and Domi were good, but they sort of fell into his lap it seemed. I did like Benoit one at the time and I was glad he didn't give Samsonov term.
I thought he did well through the year and I was glad he signed Nylander and I don't think he could have got it done for less. I was very happy that he didn't mortgage any futures at the TDL. I did not think the team was one or two guys away from a deep playoff run.
Having said all of this, I was nervous about this off-season and his ability to make good moves. Obviously, time will tell but here are my grades
Keefe out. Had to happen and glad he did it. The extension last year was a move he had to make based on when he came in. I am glad it didn't stop him from making the necessary coaching change. B+ move
Berube and new staff. I like the choices. I think this change could be the most important but doesn't get a lot of attention around the draft and July 1. A-
Forwards. Bertuzzi out and Domi retained. The right choice of the two based on fit and dollars. We had to move money from F to D so I am OK with letting Bert walk. We need to open up ice time for Knies, McMann, Robertson, Holmberg and soon Cowan, Minten and Grebenkin to start contributing. We will see how he handles Robertson and I believe he adds another F. I think Skinner makes too much sense to replace the lost Bertuzzi goals. B (so far)
Defence. Brodie, Klingberg, and Giordano out. Lyubushkin and Edmundson out, but weren't here for long. Tanev, OEL and Haakanpaa in. These are great moves. All three. We got guys that appear to fit in and we didn't do stupid deals that we will regret. I think Tanev has the ability to make Rielly better and that should not be discounted. OEL could be very good for Lily (I am ok with that re-signing also), and Haakanpaa is a solid, solid depth piece that we normally acquire at the TDL. A-
Goalies. Stolarz can't be as bad as Samsonov was and he could be a very good 1B. I like the Murray signing too. I am good with the contract that bets on Woll also. I like him not playing for a contract this year. B+
Treliving gets a passing grade.
I thought he did well through the year and I was glad he signed Nylander and I don't think he could have got it done for less. I was very happy that he didn't mortgage any futures at the TDL. I did not think the team was one or two guys away from a deep playoff run.
Having said all of this, I was nervous about this off-season and his ability to make good moves. Obviously, time will tell but here are my grades
Keefe out. Had to happen and glad he did it. The extension last year was a move he had to make based on when he came in. I am glad it didn't stop him from making the necessary coaching change. B+ move
Berube and new staff. I like the choices. I think this change could be the most important but doesn't get a lot of attention around the draft and July 1. A-
Forwards. Bertuzzi out and Domi retained. The right choice of the two based on fit and dollars. We had to move money from F to D so I am OK with letting Bert walk. We need to open up ice time for Knies, McMann, Robertson, Holmberg and soon Cowan, Minten and Grebenkin to start contributing. We will see how he handles Robertson and I believe he adds another F. I think Skinner makes too much sense to replace the lost Bertuzzi goals. B (so far)
Defence. Brodie, Klingberg, and Giordano out. Lyubushkin and Edmundson out, but weren't here for long. Tanev, OEL and Haakanpaa in. These are great moves. All three. We got guys that appear to fit in and we didn't do stupid deals that we will regret. I think Tanev has the ability to make Rielly better and that should not be discounted. OEL could be very good for Lily (I am ok with that re-signing also), and Haakanpaa is a solid, solid depth piece that we normally acquire at the TDL. A-
Goalies. Stolarz can't be as bad as Samsonov was and he could be a very good 1B. I like the Murray signing too. I am good with the contract that bets on Woll also. I like him not playing for a contract this year. B+
Treliving gets a passing grade.
