Brad Marchand hits 900 points

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Ah..The Rat,

so it has a name!
"He had a name..."

"Ughhhh you lie"

"Do I?"

Being a Canucks fan, we definitely hated him. Pretty much the next season after the 2011 playoff run, I wish the Canucks had a player like him. He's dirty, played on the line, but wore his heart on a sleeve. Never did I imagine him to be this good offensively. He's a hell of a player.
 
What jumps out to me is how much the Hall of Fame seems to prioritize players who contributed significantly to a single franchise.

As I showed in this post, almost every player who's ever scored 1,000+ points for a single franchise is (or likely will be) in the Hall.

For the names on this list - it really stands out that most of these players jumped around a lot. (So did Pierre Turgeon, who had to wait many years despite scoring 1,300+ points). Of the 18 players you listed, just four of them spent all (or almost all) of their career with a single franchise - Elias, Larmer, Propp, and Taylor.

On the assumption that Elias gets into the Hall, that leaves us with three players. Marchand is likely going to match the career totals for Larmer, Propp, and Taylor - playing in a lower scoring era. He won a Stanley Cup (Propp and Taylor didn't). He has four years in the top ten in Hart voting (more than these three players combined). He was a first-team year-end all-star twice (none of these three did that, even once). And he was a top ten scorer four times (matching these other three players combined).

My educated guess is, assuming Marchand reaches 1,000 points, he'll get into the Hall. The committee might make him wait several years due to his reputation, but I'd be surprised if he isn't inducted within ten years of being eligible. (Someone can call out this post in say 2040 if I'm wrong).

I agree completely.

Maybe some of the issue with the “journeyman” types is the way that HHOF elections work. It helps a lot if someone in the room is advocating strongly for a player, making his case to others. We have seen it, indirectly, in a pattern of borderline inductees who ran in the same circles as voting members. And it doesn’t hurt to have a team’s media in the background boosting for the candidate as a favorite son. There’s a compelling narrative for guys like Elias who were the bedrock of a franchise, especially if they had a lot of team success, and double-especially if they helped turn around a struggling franchise. It gives him that “just imagine what such-and-such team would have looked like without him” storyling.

Well, if you’re a guy who bounced between 6 teams, you don’t get that favorite-son status anywhere, and you don’t have the deep inside connections. It’s a lot easier for the narrative to be that you’re less than your stats would suggest, that there must be something missing if a guy gets let go that many times. And hey, maybe there’s some truth to that.
 
Maybe he should be in the Bruins hall of Fame then.

As far as the NHL goes, it's touchy that he gets to 500 goals and or 1100 points. And he's got no personal hardware.

Does his suspension record count against him?
Don’t be silly: of course his notables are in relation to his franchise. Probably 99% of personal achievements by any players out there, and relative threads and posts in here about it, are like that.
I don‘t know what you consider notable, but as far as I am concerned, being in the top 3/5/10 in a crap load of categories for an original six franchise who‘s been around for a CENTURY, is ABSOLUTELY worth mentioning. If you don‘t like it, well… it‘s your problem.

As far as Marchand being in the Bruins hall of fame, that‘s a done deal. His numbers speak for themselves.
As far as him being in the HOF, we shall see. So many people in this thread have made very good points for him being inducted and I agree with them. I don‘t think that his suspension record will be a problem, we‘re talking about the ice hockey HOF, not the ice dancing one.
 
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If he stays healthy he'll have a decent shot at 1200 points, and everyone at that mark is in other than Roenick, whose lack of trophies and bad behavior have probably kept him out, and Nicholls who was a pure compiler whose cumulative totals were disproportionately skewed by the year and a half he played with Gretzky.

If one wants to hold Marchand's previous dirty reputation against him, I think the 2 goal performance in game 7 of the Finals is going to work in his favor.
 
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Kind of guy you dislike seeing get there. Plays the game the wrong way.

Sad to see Bergeron no longer wearing the black and gold, even though he torched the Leafs over the years you could respect the guy.
 
1st amongst active players and 11th all time in short handed goals.

Best snozz in the game and 2nd all time after Tim Hunter. . . .

Guys beauty in the words of Cherry. . . .
 
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Kind of guy you dislike seeing get there. Plays the game the wrong way.

Sad to see Bergeron no longer wearing the black and gold, even though he torched the Leafs over the years you could respect the guy.
One of the guys you love seeing there, a true hockey player

Plays hard, and dirty. Few players like him in the leagues history, and even fewer as good as him.
 
Many young people are very confused about some of the references in this thread right now
 
If he stays healthy he'll have a decent shot at 1200 points, and everyone at that mark is in other than Roenick, whose lack of trophies and bad behavior have probably kept him out, and Nicholls who was a pure compiler whose cumulative totals were disproportionately skewed by the year and a half he played with Gretzky.

If one wants to hold Marchand's previous dirty reputation against him, I think the 2 goal performance in game 7 of the Finals is going to work in his favor.
"Previous dirty"?
There is no previous. The guy is a legit dirt bag where most fan bases would cheer if he gets blown up in a big hit but kudos to him.
900 pts are 900 pts. Congrats on skilled version of Avery.
 
Solid player. I'd put him in the Hall of Very Good.

He hovered around 40-60 points for a while at the start of his career and then broke out to an 85+ point scorer on some really strong Boston teams. But he never had a real stretch where he was the absolute best. No personal hardware, no Olympic participation will hurt him too.

The obvious elephant in the dressing room is his incredibly consistent dirty play throughout his entire career and laundry list of suspensions. I personally think this should be the deciding factor in excluding him from The Hall, barring some insane offensive seasons in the twilight of his career.
 
Solid player. I'd put him in the Hall of Very Good.

He hovered around 40-60 points for a while at the start of his career and then broke out to an 85+ point scorer on some really strong Boston teams. But he never had a real stretch where he was the absolute best. No personal hardware, no Olympic participation will hurt him too.

The obvious elephant in the dressing room is his incredibly consistent dirty play throughout his entire career and laundry list of suspensions. I personally think this should be the deciding factor in excluding him from The Hall, barring some insane offensive seasons in the twilight of his career.
I mean, sure, but he 100% would have been on those teams had the NHL went. I think you could argue 2018-2021 he was the best winger in hockey when taking into account all areas of the game.
 
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I mean, sure, but he 100% would have been on those teams had the NHL went. I think you could argue 2018-2021 he was the best winger in hockey when taking into account all areas of the game.
Regardless of whether or not he would have been on the Olympic teams, the fact that he doesn't have that to bolster his case will ultimately hurt his case for HOF.

He was among the best, at times but I'm not sure he was ever really in a definitive position to say he was absolutely the best. I just don't think that this is enough to overcome his dirty play and lack of individual hardware.
 
Regardless of whether or not he would have been on the Olympic teams, the fact that he doesn't have that to bolster his case will ultimately hurt his case for HOF.

He was among the best, at times but I'm not sure he was ever really in a definitive position to say he was absolutely the best. I just don't think that this is enough to overcome his dirty play and lack of individual hardware.
He's got World Under 18 gold, 2x World Junior Gold, World Championship Gold, World Cup of Hockey Gold (He did this one by arguably being the best player in the entire tournament) - He's also got a cup where he scored 2 goals in the game 7. Marchand is also 1 point away from 2nd all time in Boston Bruins playoff points, that alone is a huge accomplishment.
 
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Solid player. I'd put him in the Hall of Very Good.

He hovered around 40-60 points for a while at the start of his career and then broke out to an 85+ point scorer on some really strong Boston teams. But he never had a real stretch where he was the absolute best. No personal hardware, no Olympic participation will hurt him too.

The obvious elephant in the dressing room is his incredibly consistent dirty play throughout his entire career and laundry list of suspensions. I personally think this should be the deciding factor in excluding him from The Hall, barring some insane offensive seasons in the twilight of his career.

Hovering around 40-60 points? Underselling the player to justify the final paragraph with the real opinion fueled by hatred. Only one season under 20 goals, a shortened season.

His points per game at various stages has been at the absolute top of the NHL. Let alone his PK talent, 5'9 yet winning puck battles relentlessly.

How many Hall of Famers have ever been "the absolute best" of their generation? Are there 7 players in the Hall of Fame?
 
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Hovering around 40-60 points? Underselling the player to justify the final paragraph with the real opinion fueled by hatred. Only one season under 20 goals, a shortened season.

His points per game at various stages has been at the absolute top of the NHL. Let alone his PK talent, 5'9 yet winning puck battles relentlessly.

How many Hall of Famers have ever been "the absolute best" of their generation? Are there 7 players in the Hall of Fame?
Point totals of: 41 (77 GP), 55 (76 GP), 53 (82 GP), 42 (77 GP), and 61 (77 GP) are pretty fair to be called "Hovering around 40-60". After 15-16 he took the next step forward and has never stepped back down from there.

"Fueled by hatred"??? I don't hate Marchand. I don't like the dirty stuff, but I really like his play outside of that crap. Also aside from the trolling on social media that he's done, he seems like a great guy off the ice.

He's got no individual awards, and as far as I can recall he's never been a finalist for any either. He's a very good player and I place him in The Hall of Very Good. There's nothing wrong with being Very Good. I don't have a vote, so it's not like my opinion affects his legacy or anything lol

He's got World Under 18 gold, 2x World Junior Gold, World Championship Gold, World Cup of Hockey Gold (He did this one by arguably being the best player in the entire tournament) - He's also got a cup where he scored 2 goals in the game 7. Marchand is also 1 point away from 2nd all time in Boston Bruins playoff points, that alone is a huge accomplishment.
The 2016 World Cup was a lame event, and Juniors / U18 don't really move the needle as much as Olympic play. I know this isn't his fault, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. The Olympics adds a lot to legacy.

I agree he's a Very Good player, especially in Boston's pantheon. Just doesn't get to that next level for me. That's just my opinion.
 
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