Ill believe it when I see it. Has the exact same political hurdles as Kovalev vs. Stevenson.
Andre Ward reportedly will be on the Cotto v. Canelo card.
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Ill believe it when I see it. Has the exact same political hurdles as Kovalev vs. Stevenson.
Andre Ward reportedly will be on the Cotto v. Canelo card.
Except HBO already approved it and an offer was already submitted to Berbetbiev.
But yea, Haymon and HBO don't coexist. Could be a problem.
I cant stand the entire PBC series. Last night was as contrived and lazy as you'd have guessed when ESPN and PBC hook up.
It seems like Top Rank, Goldenboy, and Roc Nation are slowly thawing their issues. Haymon and only the money he borrowed better watch out if that continues to happen.
I dont need a two-bit announcer telling me that Danny Jacobs v. Peter Quillin is the middleweight fight everyone wants to see.
It seems like Top Rank, Goldenboy, and Roc Nation are slowly thawing their issues. Haymon and only the money he borrowed better watch out if that continues to happen.
I dont need a two-bit announcer telling me that Danny Jacobs v. Peter Quillin is the middleweight fight everyone wants to see.
Jaromir Jagr
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Danny Garcia needs to fight someone real, it's getting absurd. His undefeated record literally means nothing.
If Ward is on the undercard of Cotto-Canelo, that's pathetic. He's one of the best pound for pound boxers.
Kovalev vs. Beterbiev is not happening.
Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.
I know. Bummed. Looks like Berb is fighting Hopkins instead.
Maybe in the future.
Thats better than Stevenson, who is fighting a club fighter.
His lineal championship reign at 175 lbs has been one of the biggest jokes in boxing history.
The way I see it:
Kovalev is one step away from becoming a star. One fight. But there is only one fighter that could serve as that. Adonis Stevenson. I don't think Andre Ward can provide Kovalev stardom if SK was to win, primarily because the argument would always exist that Ward wasn't a true 175 pounder and wasn't legitimate competition, if he is to lose.
Golovkin is two steps away from becoming a star. Two fights. The first of which is David Lemieux, which is taking place in October and will serve to be his first paper view fight. For Kovalev, this fight was Hopkins in AC. My friend was part of the video crew for that fight, it wasn't made into PPV because they recognized it's demand too late and didn't have enough time to promote it. So they put it on HBO for free. If Golovkin beats Lemieux, he is 1 fight away from reaching stardom, and that can come in the form of 3 boxers: Canelo, Cotto, or Mayweather. One of Mayweather's managers came out today and said they're not billing this fight as if it was going to be Mayweather's last fight. "It is his last fight. With certainty". Let's take that for face value, which I don't but whatever... Floyd is out. Winner of Cotto/Canelo is next. Did either sign the clause that forces the winner to fight Golovkin next? If so, Golovkin has his path. And is much closer to achieving stardom than Kovalev is, considering Adonis is choosing to stay away from him.
Ward is three steps away from becoming a star, again. He rose to prominence in the tournament he fought in back in 2011. That was a long time ago. He fell off a cliff. Now that division is barren from talent. 168 isn't what it used to be. You have Dirrell, who looked horrible against DeGale, and the two are best friends - so that's not happening. Ward fought at a different weight class just so he wouldn't have to fight AD back in the olympics. DeGale? His name isn't star level. He holds a belt. That's step one. Then a mandatory. Then one of Golovkin/Kovalev. Or. He can hit a shortcut and one of Golovkin/Kovalev will bight before it is Ward's actual time to contend vs. them. He is 3 steps away but the possibility of a shortcut through one of them exists. If he beats either, he reaches that level.
Beating Ward doesn't give stardom to Kovalev but does if Ward beats him. Same with Golovkin.
Golovkin is going a different path. Him and Ward are slated to meet in mid-late '16. Golovkin has 2-3 more years of excellence. Maybe less. He's going to have to bunch up his fights in the next 2, let's say. Lemieux in Oct. Johnson in Feb. Canelo/Cotto in May/June. Ward in September. Mandatory in January/February. Kovalev in May/June/July '17. Depending on the outlook, that's about it. He'll be 35 by the time he would potentially do that Kovalev fight. He fought in amateurs for too long. 33 is his prime. Maybe also 34. And maybe 1 or 2 huge fights @35. Every boxer is different, but there is only 1 Hopkins. Most other guys that dole out punishment die by the sword once they get up their age.
Clown Fiesta
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A few boxing heads came to my desk today and said they're hearing that for Floyds 50th.
Clown Fiesta
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That's what I was thinking, you know he wants a 50th.
I'm no fan of Floyd but I will say he's extremely calculated. He's hoping in the next year or two that Golovkin becomes a star. Then you can turn it into the biggest fight of the last decade when he comes back for #50. If he loses he's already got excuses made and he'll be going out with the biggest payday of his .
I think Gokovkin would destroy him, and so do a lot of people in Mayweather's camp. So other than a huge payday there's little motivation for Floyd imo, but I think that's been his only motivation for awhile.
Mark my words, Floyd will never fight GGG.
Hes had a smart career by averting risk. Not sure why he would take the ultimate risk at 39 years old. Waiting 5+ years to face a faded Pacquaio and choosing Berto for this fight is all you need to know about how Floyd operates.
Hes had a smart career by averting risk. Not sure why he would take the ultimate risk at 39 years old. Waiting 5+ years to face a faded Pacquaio and choosing Berto for this fight is all you need to know about how Floyd operates.
That'd be a fine roadmap with me but, as a boxing fan, the one thing I've learned is its virtually worthless to prognosticate on any fights until they're signed on the dotted line. Too much political strife between the promoters (and whatever the hell Al Haymon is), networks, sanctioning bodies, etc. I'd be thankful if just one or two of those fights you listed in the coming years actually happens.
Regarding Floyd, he'll be back for #50. He's calling this his last fight in attempt to drum up support, which won't help. Given his boring style and worthless opponent, I'd be surprised if this bout does 750K buys. Best bet is a rematch against a "healthy" Pacquiao in May 2015 in the new MGM grand arena. That fight left a lot to be desired, but if a rematch even does half the business, it'd still be the 2nd most lucrative fight in boxing history. He'll go where the money is. Its not with Golovkin. Its with Pacquaio.
I wouldn't pay to pay to watch that rematch. Pacman was too small. Same thing will happen.
Probably. I'd watch it again for a reasonable price.
I said to my buddies that night I thought something was wrong with Pacquiao's right arm. While he added to his arsenal over the years, the double right jab was always what got him inside on opponents to land the left. I don't know if he threw one double jab the entire fight vs. Mayweather.
And say what you want about Mayweather, but his counter right stings. Take a guy like Canelo, who should have walked right through Mayweather's shots. They caught his attention. What makes Floyd a boring fighter is a straight up refusal to throw combinations.
Canelo is a counter puncher. His element is on the ropes. His speed comes in his reaction and reflexes. Going forward he is not good. Lara exposed him after Mayweather. He debatably was out boxed by Lara.
Considering that, it isn't far fetched to say he was uncomfortable moving forward vs. floyd. Canelo didn't know what to do moving forward. He got clipped as a result. Many times. Floyd has a strong jab.
I don't want to see manny vs Floyd because Manny will be reduced to ant man again. He was afraid to get in Floyds grill.
I'd rather see Thurman fight Floyd than a rematch. And I think Thurman will get his **** served.
I agree regarding Canelo. Hes looked very poor against pure boxers, namely because he has poor footwork and can't cut off the ring. I think hes a bit over hyped and has a poor trainer.
That said, the kid is talented and I think he will get past Cotto who looked like a shot fighter against Austin Trout but capitalized on a shot Sergio Martinez to cap a resurgence.
I think Canelo will fight GGG in 2016 and its one of the best fights that can be made in boxing. Fireworks as long as it lasts.
I think Canelo will beat Cotto, too. But that's only because I'm operating under the assumption that Cotto will try to meet power with power and get viciously clipped along the way as a result. He leaves himself open.
If Freddy was smart, the game plan would be to jab and dart. The blueprint is out on how to bear Canelo, and Cotto is the most powerful of the 3: mayweather, Lara, and himself.
If that's what happens, Canelo will have a hard time winning on the score sheets.
Canelo vs. GGG though... Golovkin will put him on the ropes, where Canelo is strongest. Strength vs. strength. Would be amazing fireworks. One is guaranteed to be KOed.
I still to this day think Jose Luis Castillo beat Floyd. I take his unbeatable, perfect record with the same grain of salt I take Calzaghe's, who yes did jack up Jeff Lacy, but got dropped in the first round against old out of their prime fighters in Hopkins and RJJ.
Any news on whether Canelo/Cotto agreed to fight winner of GGG/Lemieux as a mandatory next opponent?
I saw no rematch clause. So that's a start.
Also would figure if they didn't gusrantee the fight that the belt would have been stripped and given to Golovkin to hype his fight.
The undercard for Golovkin is great, too. Have my ringside seats all lined up.
I saw no rematch clause. So that's a start.
Also would figure if they didn't gusrantee the fight that the belt would have been stripped and given to Golovkin to hype his fight.
The undercard for Golovkin is great, too. Have my ringside seats all lined up.
I think Cotto drops the belt rather than fight GGG. Canelo will fight anyone, so I hope he wins.
Also, a sanctioning body mandating a bout holds almost zero clout.
I agree with your assessment. Cotto drops it to fight Floyd for his 50th. Doesn't lose face cause he has a point fighting "TBE". No one would blame him.
We'll see who wins. I think it'll be Canelo. But a lot of people believe it will be Cotto.
Oscar would put up Canelo v Golovkin on cinco de mayo weekend and blow Floyds 50th out of the water. I'd see a case, if this happened, that floyd waited until September for his 50th - to either fight pacman, the winner of GGG/Canelo (if that's the fight), or some new "budding star" like Garcia or Thurman.
