Value of: Bouchard

[Seanaconda]

Not last year he wasnt. Also Bouchard had over twice as many takeaways as Ekholm last season but will anyone argue Bouchard is better defensively?

Nothing the other poster said was out of line. Bouchard is young and has room to improve his overall game, not really an offensive statement.

I mean it can be somewhere between bad and one of the best defensive dmen in the league for the past decade....

 

[DearDiary]

absolutely not . Point is he is a young and improving D man

He declined last season in both the regular season and playoffs at 5on5 compared to the season before. His only relevancy is as a powerplay specialist with unsustainable numbers on the best powerplay in NHL history.

Just in the playoffs, he had 0 goals and 2 points at ES in 12 games

 

[Seanaconda]

He declined last season in both the regular season and playoffs at 5on5 compared to the season before. His only relevancy is as a powerplay specialist with unsustainable numbers on the best powerplay in NHL history.

Just in the playoffs, he had 0 goals and 2 points at ES in 12 games

The entire team sucked es in the playoffs tho. The Oilers were winning on special teams and mostly just trying to play even hockey during even strength imo.

Especially when for whatever reasons Hopkins Hyman and Kane all lost their scoring touch for 95% of the playoffs

 

[TGWL]

How does being high in takeaways prove anything lmao. For starters It's gotta be one of the most useless stats NHL.com actually tracks.

It's tracked about as good as hits. Players who bump other players off the puck and create puck separation gets 0 credit for a hit, yet a hit on somebody who moves the puck gets 1 on the stat sheet because it looks harder.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Yeah 23 year old right shot defenseman who put up 40pts in each of their first two full seasons aren’t very highly valued by NHL general managers.

Bouchard is a specialist who puts up all his points on the PP with Mcdavid and Draisaitl. Which is actually pretty impressive since he barely played on Edmontons vaunted power play before the last 15-20 games of this year.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

It's tracked about as good as hits. Players who bump other players off the puck and create puck separation gets 0 credit for a hit, yet a hit on somebody who moves the puck gets 1 on the stat sheet because it looks harder.

Yeah, it also isn't tracked to the same standard from arena to arena, just like hits. 786 to 410 the difference between the 1st and 32nd ranked teams in the league for takeaways is all the evidence you could need lol.


Its a complete joke of a stat(Like Hits and giveaways as well) and hence I assumed it was a troll response but apparently Oilers fans take it seriously

 

[Three On Zero]

Rumour is the deal is around 3.9m/2 years. The sticking point is Bouchard and his agent are trying to backload the contract on year 2 for a higher qualifying offer.


His value is higher to Edmonton than he would fetch in a trade. He’s a middling defenceman that doesn’t really excel at anything, Edmonton is better off seeing if he can develop his skills with them before trying to selling him off.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

And this confirms that you don't actually have a clue how the stat works and what NHL.com considers a takeaway.

Actually it shows how you'll do anything to discredit something if it doesnt fit your warped perspective. Didnt say Bouchard is some stalwart on the defensive side or that hes a top defensive dman but acting like that stat has nothing to do with defending is lowbrow even for you.

 

[McJedi]

What’s his value? Given he’s not being traded and he’s only being offered bridge money, I’d say it’s:

1 x $3.75mm or 2 x $4.25mm per.

Since he waited out Byram and K Miller and he had big end of season point surge, he’ll get more than either of those guys.

Oilers probably need to dump an expensive bottom six player to resign him.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Yeah, it also isn't tracked to the same standard from arena to arena, just like hits. 786 to 410 the difference between the 1st and 32nd ranked teams in the league for takeaways is all the evidence you could need lol.


Its a complete joke of a stat(Like Hits and giveaways as well) and hence I assumed it was a troll response but apparently Oilers fans take it seriously

Edmontons stat counters are some of the worst for padding their miscellaneous stats as well weirdly enough. He only got 18 of his 66 takeaways on the road this year for example even though he played every road game.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

His value is going to sky rocket. Bouchard is going to have a career year next year and be top 5 in dmen for points. See him being close to a PPG dman next season, 75 pts.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Similar numbers to Nurse last season & more than doubled Nurse's points in the post season. Pay the man!

 

[Antti]

Bouchard is very much overrated, as he plays PP with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I wouldn't overpay for it

 

[Three On Zero]

His value is going to sky rocket. Bouchard is going to have a career year next year and be top 5 in dmen for points. See him being close to a PPG dman next season, 75 pts.

That likely turns him into a Barrie 2.0, in which case his value won’t sky rocket. For his value to sky rocket he needs to substantially improve defensively

 

[McSuper]

How does being high in takeaways prove anything lmao. For starters It's gotta be one of the most useless stats NHL.com actually tracks.

So a team has the puck in the offensive zone and a D man takes it away and moves it forward and it is a useless stat

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

So a team has the puck in the offensive zone and a D man takes it away and moves it forward and it is a useless stat

Please just do some research on the takeaway stat and what the NHL.com stat trackers in particular constitue a takeaway. It's not what you think, that is for sure.

 

[Dust]

Bouchard is very much overrated, as he plays PP with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I wouldn't overpay for it

In the playoffs and this upcoming season, sure. He only had 13 Powerplay points last year though, as he wasn't on it until Barrie was traded.

So a team has the puck in the offensive zone and a D man takes it away and moves it forward and it is a useless stat

The stat itself is fine, it's the way it's counted that makes it unreliable. There's no consistency across the league in the way the stats guys count it in different buildings.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Edmontons stat counters are some of the worst for padding their miscellaneous stats as well weirdly enough. He only got 18 of his 66 takeaways on the road this year for example even though he played every road game.

Yeah they rank Top 5 across all the miscellaneous stats. Takeaways, Hits, and Giveaways on NHL.com are truly the most useless stats in the sport. Even more than +/- because they don't have even close to the same standards from one arena to the next so the stats get massively misconstrued depending on what building you're playing in.


I honestly thought this was common knowledge from like 5 or 6 years ago during the Islanders controversy on the stat tracking but apparently not.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Bouchard is very much overrated, as he plays PP with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I wouldn't overpay for it

Disagree. He can shoot & make plays from the point. This gives the Oilers another dimension on the PP & keeps teams from focusing on others.

 

[McSuper]

Bouchard is very much overrated, as he plays PP with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I wouldn't overpay for it

The more you know the better you are suited to make a point. Bouchard had 13 PP out of 40 total points.

It is a simple thread. Whats his value if he hits the trade market. Everyone wants to come in and bash a D that only has 2 years in the league.

The one thing HF should do is in force a creators thread.

 

[EverTheCynic]

Disagree. He can shoot & make plays from the point. This gives the Oilers another dimension on the PP & keeps teams from focusing on others.

Wonderful that he can do stuff on the point. He sucks everywhere else.

He's not gonna be playing the PP with McDavid and Drai wherever he goes, so what else does he bring?

He's a bottom pairing 2nd unit PP guy on most teams in the league.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If he won't sign I agree with moving him for an upgrade. Losing a young D like him would suck but if our hands are somewhat forced and we can pull off a win now type move I'd be all for it.

Ekholm is the straw on that pairing. Imagine adding another guy like him, maybe a bit younger at RD. Would be massive for the Oilers even if the move brings some down the road pain.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

By all accounts his demands are not unreasonable, we just can't afford to pay him longer term what he's worth since Nurse took a bigger piece of the pie than he probably should've.

 

[Seanaconda]

Yeah 23 year old right shot defenseman who put up 40pts in each of their first two full seasons aren’t very highly valued by NHL general managers.

Bouchard is a specialist who puts up all his points on the PP with Mcdavid and Draisaitl. Which is actually pretty impressive since he barely played on Edmontons vaunted power play before the last 15-20 games of this year.

Would have to get barrie back if they did trade him (he had that leafs stint but anywhere else he can perform top tier offensively like him or not )

*as part of a separate trade with him retained

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Bouchard is very much overrated, as he plays PP with McDavid and Draisaitl.
I wouldn't overpay for it

Some truth to this for sure. I don't agree he's overrated (while that depends how you rate him in the first place - I see a 2nd pairing/ 1st pp guy, but he is in an ideal situation for a contract year with Barrie gone and that #1 spot on the leagues best powerplay. The contract needs to reflect where his value is as an individual player though (where I think we agree on this), not based around what he's projected to accomplish on a record breaking powerplay until.

Even with his heavy shot and offensively abilities shown, he's not just second fiddle to McDavid/Draisaitl on the powerplay but also ranked behind RNH too in order of proven ability on the top unit, although that could change, it needs to be proven first.