Boston proves to be a non trustworthy trade partner

[lomiller1]

Even if what you wrote is all true, which I strongly disagree with, Boston still has technically held up their end. The deal was based on them being able to clear capspace to fit Gavrikov, and they haven’t been able to yet, so you’re still wrong.

If Boston couldn't free up they should have let Columbus know so they could move on to their next best deal. Negotiating in good faith isn't about whether you can "technically" do something it's about whether you behave in away that allows people to trust what you tell them. If you are less that straightforward, as Sweeny was in this case, you loose trust and making deals becomes harder. No sane businessman will deal with someone they can't trust over someone they can.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Nope. The only out was for CBJ in case Boston took to long to "make cap space" which we now know wasn't what Sweeny was doing at all.

If you believe that is valid in any way for only one team....

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Nine pages for what is just an awful take on the situation is embarrassing to everyone on HFBoards, just close this things Mods or the OP do the right thing and end this Thread.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Much ado about nothing. Trading players is simply another game within the game, and it has its own rules and processes. So long as a GM stays within those rules and process, a GM can bluff, lie, cajole, mislead, and do pretty much any other thing that would be permissible at a poker table. This happens in all the major team league sports, and frankly owners and fans not only expect their own GM to engage in it, but also to be good at it.

Grousing about other GMs when losing out in a trade, or losing the opportunity to participate in a trade, is just so lame.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Lie, cheat and steal organization, what do you expect?

 

[krutovsdonut]

it sounds like the bruins made a standing offer and then reneged. something like "you have until friday to decide".

standing offers are legally binding if the party receiving the offer alters their position based on the offer by, for example, declining to engage another bidder whose offer was not as good as the standing offer. it does not matter if the person receiving the standing offer is shopping the offer. that's actually the whole point.

not the kind of thing you go to nhl court about but obviously weasel behaviour by the bruins if true.

 

[Viqsi]

Putting on a new page so that it doesn't get overlooked:

There Has Been No Comment From The Jackets. The OP is citing an obscure fan blogger who is quoting Friedman. The CBJ are not "crying about it" - only a very small number of Jackets fans are.

 

[chizzler]

Has nothing to do about me liking it or not, ultimately, the Bruins organization reputation is taking a hit from this situation

I doubt it.

 

[chizzler]

it sounds like the bruins made a standing offer and then reneged. something like "you have until friday to decide".

standing offers are legally binding if the party receiving the offer alters their position based on the offer by, for example, declining to engage another bidder whose offer was not as good as the standing offer. it does not matter if the person receiving the standing offer is shopping the offer. that's actually the whole point.

not the kind of thing you go to nhl court about but obviously weasel behaviour by the bruins if true.

There was no reneg as Columbus was ready to do the same if Boston didn’t get another deal done for cap purposes. Another case of Friedman getting clicks. I think Columbus and Boston are fine. Deal fell through. They will trade Their player just the same. A few hundred dollars ruined a trade. Oh well.

 

[Notsince67]

Player safety better make sure their check doesn't bounce

 

[bearcountry17]

Maybe Columbus fans should be mad at their cheap ass owner for not letting the GM retain salary and take a contract back. I sincerely doubt Jarmo was dumbstruck when he found out the Bruins made another deal when he knew full well Boston was going to be on the phone with several other teams trying to move cap.

Sounds more like this Scheig guy is just brown nosing the owner by doing a little damage control.

 

[krutovsdonut]

There was no reneg as Columbus was ready to do the same if Boston didn’t get another deal done for cap purposes. Another case of Friedman getting clicks. I think Columbus and Boston are fine. Deal fell through. They will trade Their player just the same. A few hundred dollars ruined a trade. Oh well.

username checks out

 

[Kelly]

Has nothing to do about me liking it or not, ultimately, the Bruins organization reputation is taking a hit from this situation

From salty CBJ fans, maybe.

Everyone else? Doubt it.

 

[bb_fan]

it sounds like the bruins made a standing offer and then reneged. something like "you have until friday to decide".

standing offers are legally binding if the party receiving the offer alters their position based on the offer by, for example, declining to engage another bidder whose offer was not as good as the standing offer. it does not matter if the person receiving the standing offer is shopping the offer. that's actually the whole point.

not the kind of thing you go to nhl court about but obviously weasel behaviour by the bruins if true.

Saul?? is that you???

 

[Bfan14]

Nope. The only out was for CBJ in case Boston took to long to "make cap space" which we now know wasn't what Sweeny was doing at all.

How do you know this to be the case? Were you involved in the trade ?

 

[ColbyChaos]

Has nothing to do about me liking it or not, ultimately, the Bruins organization reputation is taking a hit from this situation

columbus tried playing hardball with the bruins and got rekt cry more. They had no problem trading Gavrikov to someone else if a team beat boston's offer

 

[Bfan14]

There was a verbal agreement. If you can't trust someone to keep their verbal agreements you avoid doing business with them. Again, no one wants to work with a partner with a history of negotiating in bad faith.


It doesn't mean you can't or won't work with them again, but you certainly won't give them any leeway. IE from here on in it's "you don't have the cap space for that. No we won't "give you time to make cap room" because you lied about that in the past. We are taking the next best deal right now, you're out.

You're in a for a RUDE awakening if you think the real world is all based on verbal agreements...

 

[Number8]

“Boston proves to be….”

Am I to assume that “proof” has been provided and confirmed? Accordingly, I’m guessing CBJ is taking action, the NHLPA is looking at it, and the NHL as well. If Bruins wrongly “reneged” on a deal that impacted a team’s player and playing status that would seem a serious accusation that should be looked at closley..

Or did some anonymous Joe OP just post a pretty damning title on his/her thread?

HF Boards is always pretty conservative on slander and the like. And rightly so. This seems a bit racey for HF Boards. I guess, again, that proof of the claim has been provided but just not shown.

 

[majormajor]

According to the latest from Portzline, "by all accounts, Boston did nothing wrong". The Jackets held Gavrikov out because the Boston offer was the best they were going to get, they were free to move him elsewhere the whole time.

If Boston couldn't free up they should have let Columbus know so they could move on to their next best deal. Negotiating in good faith isn't about whether you can "technically" do something it's about whether you behave in away that allows people to trust what you tell them. If you are less that straightforward, as Sweeny was in this case, you loose trust and making deals becomes harder. No sane businessman will deal with someone they can't trust over someone they can.

I agree, if that's how it went down, that would hurt Sweeney's cred. But with the latest reporting (see above) it doesn't look like they had a done deal or that Columbus was told to hold the player for them.

 

[bb_fan]

Someone stick s fork in this dumbass thread based on rumor and innuendo.....

 

[Hextallent63]

4th world problems…

10th world problems, for real.

 

[Bowski]

Sign this man for life. He's been nothing but great for the mighty CBJ franchise.

 

[Walkenthewalk]

A source (Pagnotta?) tweeted on 2/21 that a deal with the B's for Gavrikov was close but that Jackets 'won't wait forever. It's understood that if another team swoops in with a competitive/better offer.'

The B's made the deal with Washington two days later so who knows what changed, if anything.

 

[Ovi895]

Every deadline has its pace and style that evolves based on various factors unique to each season like the cap crunch, players available, team compositions, attribute that seems to be king that year (speed? toughness? leadership?)

This deadline clearly became about the sellers that are willing to make things palatable for the buyers (max retention, role player throw ins, willingness to take later picks or quantity instead of holding out for that one mega prospect) getting out ahead. Blues recognized this early on dealing Tarasenko for an "underwhelming" (but still very solid) return while Chicago was being prissy with Kane. They recognized that Tarasenko held a lot of the cards and they could end up flat on their face, and the way to approach the situation wasn't to play chicken trying to get an extra third round pick. They repeated with O'Reilly, helping the Leafs with 50 (75% w Minnesota's help) retention and adding Acciari, who may be worth a 3rd or 4th on his own but is completely fine thrown in as a sweetener. Washington saw the writing on the wall and packaged Orlov with Hathaway, on top of retaining on Orlov, ON TOP of taking Craig Smith back. All of that was probably worth an extra 2nd or 3rd on top of what they got from Boston but they're not crying about getting a 1st, 2nd and 3rd back. It was the cost of making the deal not just attractive to Boston but even possible to make for them from the cap perspective. Chicago did the same with McCabe, retaining him across a few playoff runs. And yeah, Nashville won the annual "young role player to Tampa for everything not nailed down" lottery but if anything that is the exception that proves the rule. Jeannot was still a young cost controlled player and they took back a quantity of picks years out since that's what Tampa could afford to give. Even Meier had picks and role player ish prospects the other way and did not get Nemec, Holtz or Mercer back, but the sharks still got an absolutely enormous haul that could be a game changer for them the way Karlsson haul was for Ottawa back in the day depending on how Zetterlund, Mukhamidulin and the 1st turn out.

I can see Arizona and Columbus ending up like New York the year they tried to hold out on Vanek and had to settle for Collberg and a 2nd (rofl) from Montreal at the last minute on deadline day. Just not in tune with the way the market is playing out while a lot of other teams are.