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KingTrouty said:
It's an interesting time, Sanford. We have one true threatening line right now, but that may change rather quickly. Sports change fast, our team can adapt. We have Pearson, Kempe, Gravel, LaDue. 4 young, fast-very fast players.

The system isn't working right now. I agree. But DL has preached evolving as a club. I'd like to see if he can get a coach in here that can work with what we have, while he (DL) continues to build the roster.

I think Kopi will be back to his normal self next season. As I said in the GDT last evening, I think he's playing injured.
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Loving LaDue, so glad we did not give him up. Kid screams high end skill.

Can someone fill me in on the kind of coach John Stevens will be, because by all indications won't he be handed the keys to the car. Will he open things up a tad?

At this point, we are who we are, if we don't make the playoff's I guess I will save $$ on playoff tickets.:)

I sure hope if Kopitar was injured and surgery is required, I hope he is ready for the start of next year. Otherwise by waiting we could screw over 2 seasons.
 
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Kopitar had a terrible year in 2014-15, and went on to have one of his best, most complete seasons in 2015-16. I'm convinced this is just an abysmal down year for him until proven otherwise. Basically, that's all I can think because he isn't going to be traded.

I'm not giving up on the core until Sutter is fired and we see what a new system can do. I also don't want to call it quits while Kopitar, Toffoli, Muzzin, and to some extents Doughty are having career worst years, as well as the entire team as a whole is having a ridiculously unlucky year. C'mon, we put up a collective almost 90 shots on goal in two days and only have 3 goals to show for it. Can we really believe that any NHL team can be SO bad that their normal shooting percentage is 3%??

Change is needed, for sure. We're a dead tam until something is done to shake things up. But to say we haven't been unlucky and gotten exactly what we deserve is shortsighted.
 
lexlavender said:
Kopitar had a terrible year in 2014-15, and went on to have one of his best, most complete seasons in 2015-16. I'm convinced this is just an abysmal down year for him until proven otherwise. Basically, that's all I can think because he isn't going to be traded.

I'm not giving up on the core until Sutter is fired and we see what a new system can do. I also don't want to call it quits while Kopitar, Toffoli, Muzzin, and to some extents Doughty are having career worst years, as well as the entire team as a whole is having a ridiculously unlucky year. C'mon, we put up a collective almost 90 shots on goal in two days and only have 3 goals to show for it. Can we really believe that any NHL team can be SO bad that their normal shooting percentage is 3%??

Change is needed, for sure. We're a dead tam until something is done to shake things up. But to say we haven't been unlucky and gotten exactly what we deserve is shortsighted.
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Agree with this entire post. :handclap:

Some fans need to take a step back because we are not trading Doughty or Kopitar. I ditched last night's game cos I had a feeling we would lose and I would get even more disappointed. I already chalked this season off, so I'm looking forward to the summer. Hopefully, we get some new management/coaches and add some young blood to the roster.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Remember in movie hot tub time machine when the squirl jumps on the field and cause the guy to drop the ball and the dude loses his bet? I swear i thought that damn squirrel did it to Doughtys shot when it hit something on the ice 2 times and went wide .It was going straight in then boink...boink. What are the odds of THE PUCK doing that…twice?
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I cant' believe that you not only made this reference but that I fully got this reference :laugh:

Seriously no one talk to me about luck not being a thing after this.



SettlementRichie10 said:
It's sad how many people still defended dopey ****ing Dustin Brown after multiple years of suck, and are jumping all over Kopitar after one.

Kopitar has been our most consistent forward for a literal decade. I'm willing to give him another year, at least, to return to 60-70 points.

If you want to trade him and go scorched earth, fine. But that means true scorched earth. Carter goes. Quick goes. Everyone 30 and older goes.
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To be fair it was very few. I can say that because I was on the Dustin Brown side of the blanket party.

And I agree with the scorched earth thing. Some are suggesting you just move one or two pieces...nope. With this kind of core commitment, you go all or nothing.

lexlavender said:
Kopitar had a terrible year in 2014-15, and went on to have one of his best, most complete seasons in 2015-16. I'm convinced this is just an abysmal down year for him until proven otherwise. Basically, that's all I can think because he isn't going to be traded.

I'm not giving up on the core until Sutter is fired and we see what a new system can do. I also don't want to call it quits while Kopitar, Toffoli, Muzzin, and to some extents Doughty are having career worst years, as well as the entire team as a whole is having a ridiculously unlucky year. C'mon, we put up a collective almost 90 shots on goal in two days and only have 3 goals to show for it. Can we really believe that any NHL team can be SO bad that their normal shooting percentage is 3%??

Change is needed, for sure. We're a dead tam until something is done to shake things up. But to say we haven't been unlucky and gotten exactly what we deserve is shortsighted.
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Amen. I refuse to believe that suddenly Kopitar, Muzzin, Toffoli are all suddenly coincidentally terrible at the same time, and that Doughty is out of his prime, all at once. Edit: I'd even add Gaborik to that pile because he looked marvelous at the world cup before his foot. That's a signal of a coaching issue. I know very few are on board with this, but I think with a coaching change, this has the potential to be an absolutely monstrous team for at least another year or two until the youth of the league fully takes over.

However, the boldfaced is likely to get you shot for suggesting ;)
 
I'm just curious, if Sutter was let go this offseason, who would you want to replace him? How would that system differ from now?
 
Noonan61 said:
I'm just curious, if Sutter was let go this offseason, who would you want to replace him? How would that system differ from now?
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I'm not sure. And I'm about 75% sure that the new coach wouldn't be 'better' than Sutter. It's not about that. It's about a fresh voice and tapping into the players' potential.

I posted this elsewhere but the only coaches with longer tenure than sutter are Q for obvious reasons and Tippett because he's involved with the operations side as well. Other than that, there are no coaches older than 4 years with their current franchises. This year will be the first real 'failure' year with respect to the standings and with so much other potential turnover it only makes sense.

Frankly I'm intrigued by Gerard Gallant.
 


As the tweet mentions, they'll need to win 77% of their remaining games. That's 20 out of the 26 possible remaining points.

And that's also a great summary of how luck has nothing to do with their lousy results. Their shots are all meaningless given where they're coming from.
 
lexlavender said:
Kopitar had a terrible year in 2014-15, and went on to have one of his best, most complete seasons in 2015-16. I'm convinced this is just an abysmal down year for him until proven otherwise. Basically, that's all I can think because he isn't going to be traded.
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The concerning part is that it's now 2 out of the last 3 years for him. The questions around him going into the summer will be bigger than they were going into the 2015 summer, because he's had another down year. More down than the last one. We have to wonder all summer if it was the injury or not. It's not like it's kept him completely out of the lineup all year. Not what you want to be talking about with a $10m cap hit guy.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
The concerning part is that it's now 2 out of the last 3 years for him. The questions around him going into the summer will be bigger than they were going into the 2015 summer, because he's had another down year. More down than the last one. We have to wonder all summer if it was the injury or not. It's not like it's kept him completely out of the lineup all year. Not what you want to be talking about with a $10m cap hit guy.
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To me, it's not. I knew this would happen after 2015--he had a terrible start, but he was the same old Kopitar--if not better--after that November. Thanksgiving through the end of the season (11/25/14--he had 54 points in 61 games) and on through to this years World Cup, he was himself. People get caught up looking at the big picture--season end total being lower--and don't see what happened.

This has been the only truly down year of Kopitar's career all around, and I'm eager to see how he rebounds.

(though I will say oddly both Kopitar and Doughty completely unravelled in the Jets game and the Sharks playoffs, which was a very very odd coincidence that kept going)
 
Ziggy Stardust said:


As the tweet mentions, they'll need to win 77% of their remaining games. That's 20 out of the 26 possible remaining points.

And that's also a great summary of how luck has nothing to do with their lousy results. Their shots are all meaningless given where they're coming from.
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Luck not the entire story, or even most of the story? Sure, I'll give you that, I agree.

Luck not being a factor what so ever? That I can't buy.
 
Last three seasons:
Missed the Playoffs
Choked away the division, one playoff win
About to miss the playoffs again

I don't want to hear about luck
 
I think the Kings will have a new GM and a new coach. I'd like to see somebody with an innovative mind for offense in this NHL while still focusing on defense. The D and the goaltending look solid with some pieces up front. The issue is the holes are glaring and difficult to fix. With Vegas and a potentially awful free agent class this is going to be a wild summer for the Kings. Let's just hope it's not a Purcell/Latta/Gilbert kind of wild.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
To me, it's not. I knew this would happen after 2015--he had a terrible start, but he was the same old Kopitar--if not better--after that November. Thanksgiving through the end of the season (11/25/14--he had 54 points in 61 games) and on through to this years World Cup, he was himself. People get caught up looking at the big picture--season end total being lower--and don't see what happened.

This has been the only truly down year of Kopitar's career all around, and I'm eager to see how he rebounds.

(though I will say oddly both Kopitar and Doughty completely unravelled in the Jets game and the Sharks playoffs, which was a very very odd coincidence that kept going)
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He also had 5 goals in the last 37 games in 14-15. Either way, clearly Kopitar's offense is of utmost importance to the team, outside of the 3rd and 4th rounds in 2014. If he has 15 goals next year, they're probably in the same place as this year. If he has upwards of 25, they're probably ok.

ScoreZeGoals said:
Last three seasons:
Missed the Playoffs
Choked away the division, one playoff win
About to miss the playoffs again

I don't want to hear about luck
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They did lose a top 4 defenseman for nothing in 14-15, and lost Pearson half way through the year. Plus they couldn't win in 4v4 OT, even though they're the best team ever at 3v3 OT. Last year, they lost Gaborik for almost half the season, which was the 2nd half of the season, which is when they choked away the division. This year, they did lose Quick, and Kopitar, Toffoli, and Gaborik have been hurt too.

There's also the other side of that context coin, where the guys that were around, couldn't collectively pick their game up for the loss of talent elsewhere on the roster.

There are a lot of factors that have gone into the last 3 years, just like there were a lot of factors that went into the 3 seasons before that. Been damn near the mirror opposite of each other.
 
Winger23 said:
It can't get much worse than what is currently happening....
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No kidding. We currently have a roster this is both old and slow, we play a brand of hockey that has become hard to watch (and is the opposite of the direction the game is heading), have one of the worst prospect pools in the league, and are about to miss the playoffs again. Things need to change, period.
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
No kidding. We currently have a roster this is both old and slow, we play a brand of hockey that has become hard to watch (and is the opposite of the direction the game is heading), have one of the worst prospect pools in the league, and are about to miss the playoffs again. Things need to change, period.
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Slow? The kings are not slow. They aren't old either. Jeez people.
 
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