Bobby Hull legacy thread (see admin warning post #1)

[norrisnick]

So I tell you that fans still like to witness a fight and you assume that I - and I guess most fans - solely go to a game to see a fight happen? You need to watch other sports. MMA, the NFL, College football, high school football, etc. if you think junior hockey is dangerous. A fight in hockey is always something that was part in parcel of the game we love. It is like seeing a highlight reel goal, a save, a hit, etc. It is exciting. Nothing has changed when it comes to fan viewing in that regards. It doesn't mean the fans are barbaric animals because of it.




Cherry was watched week after week with high ratings. I have no idea why an earthquake on the news is your comparable.

You should attend a hockey game in 2023. It might not be the reaction you'd like, but the fans still like the emotion in the game. I saw it as early as Friday night. Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. Now, the good news - for you - is that the powers to be, the anti-Don Cherry types I guess you can say, have sprinkled enough soy in the game today that it doesn't have anywhere near the emotion or fighting or anger or animosity that it used to and is less entertaining.

In 2015 Connor McDavid got into a fight in his draft year of the OHL. He hurt his hand in the fight. This is why he only played 47 games that year. When NHLers were asked about it, it was unanimous respect towards him as a player. Are they barbarians too?

Or you know, that hockey game that bookended his segments.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Don't be so sensitive. There is a serious lack of testosterone in the game today. This didn't happen overnight.

Your interpretation of my response is interesting, but I suppose it helps to confirm that yes, in fact, everyone does agree with you (and the only reason people might disagree with you is because they're "too sensitive").

 

[Big Phil]

Or you know, that hockey game that bookended his segments.

It is still the same hockey game on the same night of the week three years later and people don't tune into the 1st intermission anymore. Why do you think that is? (its a rhetorical question). Why is it so hard for you to admit Cherry was liked?

 

[MeHateHe]

To crib from an old joke: I went to a forum on fighting and a discussion about hockey broke out.

 

[Theokritos]

You should attend a hockey game in 2023.

Funny how you keep suggesting that people who happen to disagree with you don't attend hockey games.

Anyway, I'm off now. A plate with ribs is waiting in the kitchen. You wouldn't like them, lots of tasty soy sauce involved.

 

[Big Phil]

Funny how you keep suggesting that people who happen to disagree with you don't attend hockey games.

Anyway, I'm off now. A plate with ribs is waiting in the kitchen. You wouldn't like them, lots of tasty soy sauce involved.

Well, you have the ribs right at least!

Hey, I am just saying attend a hockey game and watch the crowd reaction when a fight breaks out, or a heavy hit happens. It isn't rocket science. Unless the people commenting on here are watching a hockey game on the moon or something I am pretty sure they are seeing the same thing I am.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Hey, I am just saying attend a hockey game and watch the crowd reaction when a fight breaks out, or a heavy hit happens. It isn't rocket science. Unless the people commenting on here are watching a hockey game on the moon or something I am pretty sure they are seeing the same thing I am.

Right, the lack of people "walking out in disgust". Or something.

 

[Big Phil]

Right, the lack of people "walking out in disgust". Or something.

Or the reactions of the fans. Is 2019 too old for you? It was the first video I clicked on with OHL fights. Seems people liked it.


So can you quit with the media-invented idea that fans hate fights?

Sorry man, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Sorry man, I don't know what to tell you.

First time we've agreed in this thread!

 

[Big Phil]

First time we've agreed in this thread!

I guess you were afraid to watch the video of a junior hockey brawl breaking out? It might just, you know, verify the things I have been trying to tell you, that fans still love fights despite the sports media telling us we don't.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I guess you were afraid to watch the video of a junior hockey brawl breaking out? It might just, you know, verify the things I have been trying to tell you, that fans still love fights despite the sports media telling us we don't.

Actually, the video is restricted on my work machine but thanks for your consideration for my well being. But yes, I'm so "afraid" to watch it.

Unless the video shows a lack of people walking out in disgust, I'm not sure how it would verify what you've been "trying" to tell me. More to the point, you've consistently confused "the supporters are loud" with "popular acclaim", so no, a junior hockey brawl video won't convince me that you suddenly have it figured out.

Or the "media invented" conspiracy theory stuff. You've got that baked in there, too.

 

[DaaaaB's]

The game passed him by "decades" ago - apparently - and yet if he were on TV right now he'd still be the most watched personality. As he was in 2019 when he was fired. I mean, say you dislike the guy all you want and there were those who did, but acting as if he was irrelevant is just a false memory. There is a reason no one pays attention to the 1st intermission anymore. You act as if no one paid attention to him after 1992 or something. My dad never liked him, sort of, at least. He always called him an idiot, in a playful way. Yet he watched him all of the time. It was because Cherry was relatable to people, they knew he was authentic, one of them, etc. You don't get that with the wooden announcers/analysts these days.

Where did I say people didn't watch him. I didn't say that at all but as usual you missed the point and made an incorrect assumption. Some people obviously liked listening to him while others watched to what foolishness he would come up with. Most probably watched simply because it was on during the intermission of the game they were watching. Just like most watch the first intermission still today.

And none of that has anything to with my point that his analysis was awful. Any good point he made was basic and obvious.

 

[Big Phil]

Actually, the video is restricted on my work machine but thanks for your consideration for my well being.

And unless the video shows a lack of people walking out in disgust, I'm not sure how it would verify what you've been "trying" to tell me. More to the point, you've consistently confused "loud supporters" with "popular acclaim", so no, a junior hockey brawl video won't convince me that you suddenly have it figured out.

So video evidence and fan reaction on video still won't convince you the sports media is misleading you?

Or..................go to a game yourself and tell me the reaction if there is a tilt.

 

[seventieslord]

Did I miss the part where someone said the words "fans don't like fighting"?

Because Phil's been arguing against that statement for the better part of two pages.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Or..................go to a game yourself and tell me the reaction if there is a tilt.

I go to about twenty NHL games per year, and maybe 40 non-NHL games (plus beer league where I play in multiple leagues).

Appreciate the words, though.

 

[Big Phil]

Where did I say people didn't watch him. I didn't say that at all but as usual you missed the point and made an incorrect assumption. Some people obviously liked listening to him while others watched to what foolishness he would come up with. Most probably watched simply because it was on during the intermission of the game they were watching. Just like most watch the first intermission still today.

And none of that has anything to with my point that his analysis was awful. Any good point he made was basic and obvious.

There is a reason the viewership has dropped like a stone in the 1st intermission since Cherry left.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Did I miss the part where someone said the words "fans don't like fighting"?

Because Phil's been arguing against that statement for the better part of two pages.

Exactly. No one said that at all but he thinks not enjoying watching teenagers bare knuckle box for no money means you don't like fighting. He also compared junior players fighting to MMA and Football for some reason.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

There is a reason the viewership has dropped like a stone in the 1st intermission since Cherry left.

You didn't appreciate my earthquake comparison, but people don't necessarily watch something because they love that thing and endorse that thing's viewpoints.

 

[Theokritos]

Did I miss the part where someone said the words "fans don't like fighting"?

Well, if only you attended a hockey game for once, then you'd able to understand.

 

[DaaaaB's]

There is a reason the viewership has dropped like a stone in the 1st intermission since Cherry left.

Wow, I'd hate play on your rec league team because you're one hell of a cherry picker.

I'm sure viewership has dropped some. Not sure about it dropping like a stone though. I can't find any proof of that.

 

[Big Phil]

I go to about twenty NHL games per year, and maybe 40 non-NHL games (plus beer league where I play in multiple leagues).

Appreciate the words, though.

So why argue against my points then? It means you should know all too well that the fans still love a good tilt.

Exactly. No one said that at all but he thinks not enjoying watching teenagers bare knuckle box for no money means you don't like fighting. He also compared junior players fighting to MMA and Football for some reason.

The talk is the injuries that come from fighting in juniors. It pales in comparison to injuries from high school football for instance, or College ball.

Wow, I'd hate play on your rec league team because you're one hell of a cherry picker.

I'm sure viewership has dropped some. Not sure about it dropping like a stone though. I can't find any proof of that.

If you can find a link for the ratings of the 1st intermission, the go for it. I doubt they would want to release it. Like I said, they fired a popular analyst that people liked, that isn't going to help ratings.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

So why argue against my points then? It means you should know all too well that the fans still love a good tilt.

Don't get me wrong; I understand why you resort to logical fallacies, but I'm telling you once again that this particular fallacy won't work on me.

 

[Big Phil]

Don't get me wrong; I understand why you resort to logical fallacies, but I'm telling you once again that this particular fallacy won't work on me.

Answer this to me, let's simplify it. Do you think the majority of fans like to watch a fight? Or not? Just answer it.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Answer this to me, let's simplify it. Do you think the majority of fans like to watch a fight? Or not? Just answer it.

Answer: I don’t know.

Can we get back to Bobby hull?

 

[Big Phil]

Or the "media invented" conspiracy theory stuff. You've got that baked in there, too.

The sports media has been on the anti-fighting bandwagon for decades. It is nothing new or nothing I came up with.

Answer: I don’t know.

Can we get back to Bobby hull?

You said yourself you go to 40 games a year and you can't tell me one way or another? I think the Hull thing is dead in the water now.