Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

[DatDude44]

Tkachuk's arbitration date is August 11th, so that's the deadline for a trade.

uhhhh...this is gonna drag on forever..... lol

 

[Linkens Mastery]

uhhhh...this is gonna drag on forever..... lol

That's why it's easier to say to yourself "he's not coming here so there's no need to get worked up over it" lol

 

[Celtic Note]

Not only are people overstating the gap between Tkachuk and Kyrou, but man, I keep banging this drum, but we are understating the gap between Schenn and ROR.

ROR since he became a Blue:

Regular Season//Playoffs

GP - 287 G - 85 A - 165 P - 250 // GP - 51 G - 19 A - 31 P = 50

Won a Selke and a Conn Smythe

Schenn since ROR became a Blue (Clips one regular season but overlaps playoffs.)

GP - 261 G - 82 A - 124 P - 206 // GP - 51 G - 8 A - 18 P - 26

ROR in the playoffs is a PPG player for his career here so far. Schenn is a .5 per game player in the playoffs here. ROR gets the most tough matchups night in and night out. The difference in going from ROR to Schenn is enormous. I cannot highlight enough the similarities to the AP/Parayko situation. Parayko wasn't going to "replace" AP, he was going to continue being Parayko, much like Thomas isn't really going to "replace" ROR, as much as continue to be Thomas, at least for the next 2-3 years.

ROR certainly gets better as the playoffs role around and Schenn gets worse. I think Schenn has decent value for his contract in the regular season, but in the playoffs his value is subpar IMO.

 

[DatDude44]

That's why it's easier to say to yourself "he's not coming here so there's no need to get worked up over it" lol

Lol i know been trying to do that all along....but it's not working

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If the Blues do trade Tarasenko this off season, I feel like 80% he goes to NYI. The last 20% is a mix of Anaheim, NJD, or Philly.

 

[TheDizee]

If Blues are to get MT then you package Kyrou or Tarasenko into the trade. Kyrou is not worth the money he will end up getting next season because hes a f***ing nightmare defensively. That highlight Mackinnon goal in G5 came mainly due to a horrendous backcheck from him and he plays that way all the time, nowhere close to being a 200 foot player. If the Blues are gonna dump 7 million+ into someone like Kyrou, I'd rather they just say no and put that money towards MT. Kyrou and Tarasenko are both floaters.

Either way, Armstrong needs to make cap space by dumping Scandella and then either Krug or Tarasenko cause unless Calgary absorbs some cap hit which is gonna cost a fortune, Scandella and Barbashev alone is not enough cap wise.

also if it between 91/90 on who to bring back next year, thats a no brainer aslong as 90 does not fall off a cliff. he had a down reg season last year and if it happens again this season then IMO thats a clear downward trend. but ROR does much more for this team than 91 does.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I love the hate Kyrou gets. Scores a PPG, but because he's not fantastic defensively in his 2nd full NHL season people want to trade him.

 

[TheDizee]

I love the hate Kyrou gets. Scores a PPG, but because he's not fantastic defensively in his 2nd full NHL season people want to trade him.

not worth the cash for a one trick pony

 

[Linkens Mastery]

not worth the cash for a one trick pony

Could have said the same thing about Tarasenko when he signed his 7.5mil contract. Dude still takes nights off defensively at 30+ years old.

 

[Reality Czech]

I love the hate Kyrou gets. Scores a PPG, but because he's not fantastic defensively in his 2nd full NHL season people want to trade him.

I don't think anyone hates Kyrou, but he will likely always be a one dimensional player albeit very good at that one dimension. If I have the choice between Tkachuk and Kyrou I'm taking Tkachuk easily, but of course the question is how much money will he demand and what assets will it require to get him?

I would have no interest trading Kyrou under normal circumstances, but I will admit his long-term salary scares me a bit. I kind of see him as a similar type player to Gaudreau, so it would be ideal to somehow get Tkachuk while keeping Kyrou but something would have to give. But I would even prefer Tkachuk to Gaudreau as I just feel like he does more to impact a game and has the killer instinct which Kyrou may not have.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I don't think anyone hates Kyrou, but he will likely always be a one dimensional player albeit very good at that one dimension. If I have the choice between Tkachuk and Kyrou I'm taking Tkachuk easily, but of course the question is how much money will he demand and what assets will it require to get him?

I would have no interest trading Kyrou under normal circumstances, but I will admit his long-term salary scares me a bit. I kind of see him as a similar type player to Gaudreau, so it would be ideal to somehow get Tkachuk while keeping Kyrou but something would have to give. But I would even prefer Tkachuk to Gaudreau as I just feel like he does more to impact a game and has the killer instinct which Kyrou may not have.

My main issue with trading Kyrou for Tkachuk is the fact that after that we have to again trade another top player (Krug or Tarasenko) which we will end up being down either 3 top 6 forwards (Perron, Tarasenko, and Kyrou) or 2 top 6 forwards, and a top 4 defender and PPQB (Perron, Kyrou, and Krug). We will end up being a much much worse team either way.

 

[TheDizee]

I don't think anyone hates Kyrou, but he will likely always be a one dimensional player albeit very good at that one dimension. If I have the choice between Tkachuk and Kyrou I'm taking Tkachuk easily, but of course the question is how much money will he demand and what assets will it require to get him?

I would have no interest trading Kyrou under normal circumstances, but I will admit his long-term salary scares me a bit. I kind of see him as a similar type player to Gaudreau, so it would be ideal to somehow get Tkachuk while keeping Kyrou but something would have to give. But I would even prefer Tkachuk to Gaudreau as I just feel like he does more to impact a game and has the killer instinct which Kyrou may not have.

people like tkachuk are who you need to get under people skin and produce as well. we have schenn but can always use more of that. imagine the first time he plays the refalanche with the blue note, they better hope kadri is not with them still or he will likely leave black and blue.

 

[Xerloris]

Real question here. If we had Tkachuk last post season do you think he would have done some crazy shit to Kadri?

 

[Reality Czech]

people like tkachuk are who you need to get under people skin and produce as well. we have schenn but can always use more of that. imagine the first time he plays the refalanche with the blue note, they better hope kadri is not with them still or he will likely leave black and blue.

Absolutely, his combination of grit and skill is pretty much unmatched in the league. While it is true that the league is trending towards speed and skill, teams still need guys to mix it up who will do whatever it takes. Him and Brady were literally bred to be badass hockey players, having spent pretty much their entire lives around NHL locker rooms. Love the way those guys play.

My main issue with trading Kyrou for Tkachuk is the fact that after that we have to again trade another top player (Krug or Tarasenko) which we will end up being down either 3 top 6 forwards (Perron, Tarasenko, and Kyrou) or 2 top 6 forwards, and a top 4 defender and PPQB (Perron, Kyrou, and Krug). We will end up being a much much worse team either way.

Valid concerns. Here are two possible scenarios:

1. Trade Kyrou as the main piece for Tkachuk, but keep Tarasenko for this season. I'm not sure how they would make the money work, but it would have to be some mix of Scandella, Krug, Barbashev and I'm not sure what else. I also don't know how realistic it would be for Calgary or another team to retain some salary for this year but it might be worth the use of assets to save a few million and not move a bigger piece. If Kyrou is the main piece for Tkachuk then the + wouldn't be as big as it might be otherwise. It would allow us to keep most of our top prospects at the expense of losing a rising star in Kyrou.

2. Trade Tarasenko elsewhere to free up the salary and then acquire Tkachuk for a mostly futures package which would likely involve some combination of Neighbours, Bolduc, Perunovich, a first, etc. It would hurt our prospect pool a lot but a core of Thomas, Kyrou and Tkachuk sets us up very nicely long-term. The problem with this scenario is I'm not sure what kind of value we get for Tarasenko when teams don't have much cap space and know we need to clear salary. I mean if Vegas had to give away Pacioretty for nothing then what could we realistically get for Vladi in this market?

I'm not sure I would actually pull the trigger on either deal, but I agree that I would not want to lose all 3 of Perron, Tarasenko and Kyrou in one off-season. Army will have to be very creative to make this trade happen in the next few weeks. There are so many moving parts that I don't really expect it to happen, just throwing some ideas out there.

 

[TheDizee]

Real question here. If we had Tkachuk last post season do you think he would have done some crazy shit to Kadri?

yeah, i mean perron tried to elbow him to the head so tkachuk would for sure

 

[Mike Liut]

If we had to move either Krug or Tarasenko right now, what do you think we’d get? A 1st rounder for each?

 

[sfvega]

I love the hate Kyrou gets. Scores a PPG, but because he's not fantastic defensively in his 2nd full NHL season people want to trade him.

Kyrou is phenomenal. Was trying to take on entire defenses by himself in the playoffs and getting clobbered, while "better" players were invisible. He showed a lot of heart and grit in addition to that skill. He's a work in progress defensively, but I'm wholeheartedly not ready to write him off on that end.

 

[PocketNines]

Kyrou is phenomenal. Was trying to take on entire defenses by himself in the playoffs and getting clobbered, while "better" players were invisible. He showed a lot of heart and grit in addition to that skill. He's a work in progress defensively, but I'm wholeheartedly not ready to write him off on that end.

Poor Kyrou is just one man and couldn't find anyone to help him carry the team, is that the fairytale?

 

[TheDizee]

If we had to move either Krug or Tarasenko right now, what do you think we’d get? A 1st rounder for each?

Absolutely not for Krug, especially if they take his salary. You'd get a 2nd + some.

91 prob nets you a 1st + some

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

Here’s my ideal scenario for this whole situation

To CGY:
Krug+Barbashev+Bolduc+Kostin+2023 1st

To STL:
Tkachuk(8x$9.25)+Valimaki


Then move Scandella plus a mid prospect or pick to Anaheim to clear more cap.


Blues are left with about $250K in cap for this year and a fully healthy roster of

Tkachuk-Thomas-Tarasenko
Saad-O’Reilly-Buchnevich
Neighbours-Schenn-Kyrou
Highmore/Leivo-Acciari-Toropchenko
Brown, Walker

Leddy-Parayko
Perunovich-Faulk
some duo of Valimaki/Mikkola/Bortuzzo

Binnington
Greiss

 

[BrokenFace]

If Blues are to get MT then you package Kyrou or Tarasenko into the trade. Kyrou is not worth the money he will end up getting next season because hes a f***ing nightmare defensively. That highlight Mackinnon goal in G5 came mainly due to a horrendous backcheck from him and he plays that way all the time, nowhere close to being a 200 foot player. If the Blues are gonna dump 7 million+ into someone like Kyrou, I'd rather they just say no and put that money towards MT. Kyrou and Tarasenko are both floaters.

Either way, Armstrong needs to make cap space by dumping Scandella and then either Krug or Tarasenko cause unless Calgary absorbs some cap hit which is gonna cost a fortune, Scandella and Barbashev alone is not enough cap wise.

also if it between 91/90 on who to bring back next year, thats a no brainer aslong as 90 does not fall off a cliff. he had a down reg season last year and if it happens again this season then IMO thats a clear downward trend. but ROR does much more for this team than 91 does.

Most cup winning teams have guys who produce offensively but aren't strong in their own end. Tarasenko, Ovechkin, Kessel, and Kane all have cups and don't do much defensively. I don't know how good Kucherov is in his own end so I can't say if the same applies to the Bolts. It's fine if you want to trade a guy like that for someone who has more of a 200 foot game, but teams win cups with floaters frequently. Just like every cup winning team has guys who are good defensively but aren't expected to produce on the other end.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I know we've mentioned Hanifin, but I'd also be curious if we could include Kylington in a deal. Different style than Hanifin, probably wouldn't be what some here would want, but would definitely be a bit cheaper than Hanifin.

 

[sfvega]

Poor Kyrou is just one man and couldn't find anyone to help him carry the team, is that the fairytale?

Hey man, don't drag my posts into your schtick.

 

[Louie the Blue]

If Blues are to get MT then you package Kyrou or Tarasenko into the trade. Kyrou is not worth the money he will end up getting next season because hes a f***ing nightmare defensively. That highlight Mackinnon goal in G5 came mainly due to a horrendous backcheck from him and he plays that way all the time, nowhere close to being a 200 foot player. If the Blues are gonna dump 7 million+ into someone like Kyrou, I'd rather they just say no and put that money towards MT. Kyrou and Tarasenko are both floaters.

Either way, Armstrong needs to make cap space by dumping Scandella and then either Krug or Tarasenko cause unless Calgary absorbs some cap hit which is gonna cost a fortune, Scandella and Barbashev alone is not enough cap wise.

also if it between 91/90 on who to bring back next year, thats a no brainer aslong as 90 does not fall off a cliff. he had a down reg season last year and if it happens again this season then IMO thats a clear downward trend. but ROR does much more for this team than 91 does.

Trading for MT is the equivalent of replacing your front tires when your rear left tire is on its tread and the right rear tire is completely blown out.

He doesn't make the team better overall given the assets and cap it would take to acquire him. Trading Krug just means Perunovich's plays more when he has shown he has to be sheltered to be a positive contributor.

 

[Mike Liut]

Trade Tarasenko for a 1st
Send 2-1sts plus Neighbors and Scandella for MT