Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

[bleedblue1223]

I kinda think the Strickland guarantee is significant. Strickland is sometimes a clown but he usually doesn’t guarantee things and he obviously talks with the Tkachuk family a lot.

It just feels like one of those things destined to happen, but we’ll see. Crazy and exciting indeed.

What did Strickland guarantee?

 

[BlueDream]

What did Strickland guarantee?

On the radio he guaranteed that Tkachuk will sign with the Blues in the summer of 2023. Basically made it sound like this is the only place he wants to be.

 

[bleedblue1223]

On the radio he guaranteed that Tkachuk will sign with the Blues in the summer of 2023. Basically made it sound like this is the only place he wants to be.

Well shit, lets go.

 

[MissouriMook]

On the radio he guaranteed that Tkachuk will sign with the Blues in the summer of 2023. Basically made it sound like this is the only place he wants to be.

Alternate take:

Vegas trades Karlsson, Marchessault, Martinez and a 1st to Calgary for MT and Hanifin and MT immediately extends there for 7 x $10M. HFBlues melts down.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Can he not sign a 1 year contract and be a free agent next year? He'll be turning 25 with at least 3 years of NHL experience. That fits the criteria for UFA eligibility if I'm not mistaken. If he really wants to be in St. Louis next year, he can sign one-year deal wherever and the Blues can sign him and Kyrou next summer while shedding ROR, Tarasenko, and hopefully Krug.

He could. But I’d expect if he’s dealt to Nashville or Dallas or somewhere it’s with extension likely agreed upon in advance, unless he is 100% that he won’t sign anywhere else.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

All in Saying is Matt Tkachuk liked the post about Thomas getting his 8 year deal.

 

[rumrokh]

All in Saying is Matt Tkachuk liked the post about Thomas getting his 8 year deal.

They're good friends. Means nothing.

 

[Oberyn]

Still not sure where I am on the fence when it comes to acquiring Tkachuk. It'll really boil down to what we're offering and the type of contract Tkachuk is looking for. It's pretty obvious that there will need to be some cap management done to stay compliant, and the prime contract to move would be Tarasenko.

The Flames likely ask for Kyrou and that's a tough sell to me. Kyrou has his inconsistencies but we've also seen what he's capable of when he's on top of his game. If they are insistent on Kyrou, then I certainly wouldn't add much on top of him. He's young and cost controlled for the next couple years, you don't add a first round pick plus A prospect on top of that.

My preference, if we are hell bent on getting Tkachuk, would be to swing a three way deal and get a team like the Islanders involved who are looking for scoring to take on Tarasenko. I highly doubt Tarasenko waives his NTC for Calgary and the Flames really have no use for him since they're likely going to be entering a rebuild phase.

There's a ton of smoke around Tkachuk and the Blues, but I don't think there's any sort of guarantee that Tkachuk ends up in the blue note. This next week will be interesting for sure.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

They're good friends. Means nothing.

I know it's a joke

 

[rumrokh]

Still not sure where I am on the fence when it comes to acquiring Tkachuk. It'll really boil down to what we're offering and the type of contract Tkachuk is looking for. It's pretty obvious that there will need to be some cap management done to stay compliant, and the prime contract to move would be Tarasenko.

The Flames likely ask for Kyrou and that's a tough sell to me. Kyrou has his inconsistencies but we've also seen what he's capable of when he's on top of his game. If they are insistent on Kyrou, then I certainly wouldn't add much on top of him. He's young and cost controlled for the next couple years, you don't add a first round pick plus A prospect on top of that.

My preference, if we are hell bent on getting Tkachuk, would be to swing a three way deal and get a team like the Islanders involved who are looking for scoring to take on Tarasenko. I highly doubt Tarasenko waives his NTC for Calgary and the Flames really have no use for him since they're likely going to be entering a rebuild phase.

There's a ton of smoke around Tkachuk and the Blues, but I don't think there's any sort of guarantee that Tkachuk ends up in the blue note. This next week will be interesting for sure.

Kyrou is only under contract for '22-'23. He and Thomas were set to become RFA's at the same time until Thomas signed his extension.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Im just going to continue my thoughts of "he's not coming here, and definitely not for under 10mil"

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I'm starting to think Buchy is centerpiece of who we send to Calgary. Real good player but when DA lists emerging core it's always Thomas and Kyrou, never Buchy. He is cost controlled for another 3 years so that would be appealing to Flames. And he doesn't have NTC. I'd hate to part with him, but for MT I definitely would.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I'm starting to think Buchy is centerpiece of who we send to Calgary. Real good player but when DA lists emerging core it's always Thomas and Kyrou, never Buchy. He is cost controlled for another 3 years so that would be appealing to Flames. And he doesn't have NTC. I'd hate to part with him, but for MT I definitely would.

Armstrong said he was part of the core at the end of season call

 

[Memento]

I'm starting to think Buchy is centerpiece of who we send to Calgary. Real good player but when DA lists emerging core it's always Thomas and Kyrou, never Buchy. He is cost controlled for another 3 years so that would be appealing to Flames. And he doesn't have NTC. I'd hate to part with him, but for MT I definitely would.

No way I'd do that. Buchnevich just had a PPG season with excellent defense, all while playing his off-wing. If Tkachuk wants to come here so badly, let him come in free agency, but there's no way I give up Buchnevich for him.

If there's anyone on the Flames I'd go for, it would be Hanifin. He's young and solves an important need that we have.

 

[Zezel’s Pretzels]

How about, like, yesterday?

The Cardinals are one of the top two teams by Vegas odds in the Juan Soto sweepstakes, there are reports they actually made an offer for him, and Soto just turned down a contract worth half a billion. The Cardinals have had a lot of top guys linked in trades, Goldschmidt and Arenado were acquired by trade and are both Hall of Fame candidates after all, but Soto at this point is probably a bigger name than any of them, Tkachuk included.

It certainly is fun, though!

One of the hallmarks of both the Blues and Cardinals are being in contention and in the playoffs in nearly every year, so they lack the high draft picks typically needed to acquire franchise-level talent that's built championship winning juggernauts like the Hawks, Lightning, Avs, and Astros, so it's certainly exciting.

It's rare to be able to acquire a player like Tkachuk or Soto at age 24/23 respectively even if you have to sign them to a huge contract. Those type of players are usually only available at those ages if you drafted them yourself (or in baseball's case signed them as an international FA).

It'd be nicer if Tkachuk was a defenseman of this caliber since that'd fit our team needs more, but I still think it's an opportunity for the Blues.

Imagine Soto to the Birds and MT to the Blues in the same month. This will set an entire generation of kids in St. Louis up with their Ozzie Smith/Albert Pujols or their Brett Hull.

 

[trevorftw]

No way I'd do that. Buchnevich just had a PPG season with excellent defense, all while playing his off-wing. If Tkachuk wants to come here so badly, let him come in free agency, but there's no way I give up Buchnevich for him.

If there's anyone on the Flames I'd go for, it would be Hanifin. He's young and solves an important need that we have.

If Tkachuk and Hanifin came together as a package with Krug + Tarasenko going the other way, I'd be open to letting Kyrou go with picks and prospects. That would give us a really complete team that on paper looks stronger than COL imo.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

If Tkachuk and Hanifin came together as a package with Krug + Tarasenko going the other way, I'd be open to letting Kyrou go with picks and prospects. That would give us a really complete team that on paper looks stronger than COL imo.

Does it? You’re down two wingers (Tkachuk only replaces one) from last years playoff team that lost to Colorado in 6.

 

[PocketNines]

If I had a choice of having ROR or Kyrou on the team I would keep the player that isn't a fraction of the other player.

 

[Memento]

Imagine Soto to the Birds and MT to the Blues in the same month. This will set an entire generation of kids in St. Louis up with their Ozzie Smith/Albert Pujols or their Brett Hull.

I just hope Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn don't go in a deal for Soto. Not that I wouldn't trade for and pay Soto, but Walker, in my mind, is a generational prospect, and Winn is our shortstop of the future. I'd deal Gorman, Liberatore, Carlson, and Yepez for Soto for sure (and I'd probably trade O'Neill in a deal for a similarly-aged pitcher as well. Call me crazy.)

Tkachuk, if he would just quit his rat-like tendencies (which is honestly the main reason I don't want him), would be a fantastic get. I just don't want to deal one of Kyrou/Bolduc/Snuggerud/Neighbours for him (especially Kyrou and Bolduc. Bolduc could be special; Kyrou already is.) We're already down Perron - and likely Tarasenko, Barbashev - hell, maybe O'Reilly if Tkachuk signs a mega-deal - after this year. We're going to need all of the young cost-controlled players and prospects we can get.

The reason I'd trade a Neighbours or Snuggerud for Hanifin is simply because he's on an amazing deal and he fits a need. Tkachuk doesn't fill an absolute need; he's a luxury.

 

[BlueMed]

If Tkachuk and Hanifin came together as a package with Krug + Tarasenko going the other way, I'd be open to letting Kyrou go with picks and prospects. That would give us a really complete team that on paper looks stronger than COL imo.

If Calgary traded Hanifin with Tkachuk, they would be doing so out of full intention to quickly rebuild the way Chicago is doing now.

Or the Blues can wait until next summer and let ROR and Tarasenko walk, freeing up 15 M in cap space. Then resign Kyrou for an additional 5.5 M and sign Tkachuk for 9 M for a combined 14.5 M.

Then our new forward core will be Thomas, Kyrou, Tkachuk, and Buchnevich with Schenn sliding into a veteran role. That would easily make one of Neighbours, Bolduc, or Snuggerud expendable for future trades.

 

[trevorftw]

I do think so. Imo we had D problems and trouble matching with COL top end skill players. We lose depth to upgrade those areas.

Kyrou shouldn't be dealt as a "cap casualty." That's madness. Hanifin is an excellent player though with a good contract though.

 

[trevorftw]

If Calgary traded Hanifin with Tkachuk, they would be doing so out of full intention to quickly rebuild the way Chicago is doing now.

Or the Blues can wait until next summer and let ROR and Tarasenko walk, freeing up 15 M in cap space. Then resign Kyrou for an additional 5.5 M and sign Tkachuk for 9 M for a combined 14.5 M.

Then our new forward core will be Thomas, Kyrou, Tkachuk, and Buchnevich with Schenn sliding into a veteran role. That would easily make one of Neighbours, Bolduc, or Snuggerud expendable for future trades.

It's not like I'm against this scenario. Essentially, the difference is Krug+Kyrou for Hanifin, but you get a crack at the P.O.s one extra year while you still have ROR shutting down opposing team's top players. It's a gamble, but I can see an argument for either side.

Also, you might get MT at a slight discount with the option of an 8th year in scenario 1.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I don't think we should trade for him. He's a UFA next summer, if he wants to come here then let him come at that point. Giving up pretty much any assets for him seems silly.

Should we sign him next summer? Honestly, I don't see how we can. ROR should be retained. Full stop. When he's right, he's one of, if not our best, player. Thomas is a good player now, with some room to grow and I'm excited to see him do just that - but ROR is the superior player now and probably will be for the next 2-3 years. ROR is getting at least 7.5M, so no cap savings there. Tarasenko's money is going mainly to Thomas' extension. We still need to resign Kyrou, and he won't be cheap. probably coming in just under Thomas, let's say 7.5 as well (and I think that's low).

So between Thomas and Kyrou we need to find 8.125+7.5-2.8-2.8-7.5 = 2.525 we still need to come up with in cap savings - BBshev is worth 2.25, so that's most of it there, but then we need to replace BBshev. The cap is expected to go up 1M as well, so that helps.

Basically, we're going to lose both Tarasenko and BBshev to pay for Thomas and Kyrou - assuming ROR sticks with his current cap number (Which he probably won't, I'd ask for more then Thomas if I'm ROR right now). So how do we pay for MT? Let ROR walk? Trade Schenn? That's a lot of juggling. We could move Scandella, but he's only worth 3.25 - that's still not enough for MT's supposed 9.5M. Trade Krug as well? But for whom and what's the $$ coming back?

I think MT is a pipe dream unless we want to give up ROR, Kyrou, or Schenn due to cap.

 

[Mike Liut]

Can we afford:
Thomas - 8.15 x 8
Kyrou - 7.5-8 x 8
Tkachuk - 9 x 8
ROR - 6 x 3

We’d need to move Tarasenko now
Krug either now or before signing ROR
Barbashev before next year

 

[Reality Czech]

Crazy thought...if Tkachuk is dead set on coming here, how willing would Calgary be to eat salary? And how much extra would it cost for them to retain anywhere from 25-50% of his salary this year? I know it's unrealistic, just trying to figure out ways to add him this year without gutting the team.