Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 3

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Detroit has plenty of cap space and just need a bridge to Cossa. If he works out, great, but if he doesn't, I don't think they'll care much. Similar to Nedeljkovic.
I get why they're doing it and I certainly get why Husso is taking it. Glad he is not a threat to start against Colorado in the playoffs any more and that the Blues recouped value. Husso himself was a 4th round throw in for the Polak-Game 2 Legend trade
 
I’m too greedy and too much of a draft nerd. So I hope the Blues package these 3rds into a 2nd to snag at least one of Perevalov, Firkus, or Del Bel Belluz. Still loads of talented players in the 2nd round that would be good adds.
 
I’m too greedy and too much of a draft nerd. So I hope the Blues package these 3rds into a 2nd to snag at least one of Perevalov, Firkus, or Del Bel Belluz. Still loads of talented players in the 2nd round that would be good adds.
Wonder if they will try this before the 2nd round begins or wait until after a few picks to see who's still available?
 
DeAngelo is available and surely not as expensive as his production should demand. Wouldn't mind seeing him play a 3RD/1PP role if the Blues can find a taker on Krug.
 
Husso trade invoking Gunnarsson invoked a rewatch of Game 2 OT. So many critical clutch plays by stars there. A great cross ice pass by Tarasenko, a great couple of plays by Schwartz, Perron with tremendous forechecking, O'Reilly with passes and plays, Parayko with a strong move to carry the puck up ice. Krug and MacAvoy being generally overmatched was a major key to winning that series.
 
DeAngelo is available and surely not as expensive as his production should demand. Wouldn't mind seeing him play a 3RD/1PP role if the Blues can find a taker on Krug.
Eff no to that, and he's going to Philly anyway per LeBrun. Which makes me wonder, handedness difference aside, if Sanheim or Provorov are going to be more available.
 
Just believe he is a very average player and just doesn’t add to much to the lineup. As we all know, we need cap space and would rather see Perron signed for 2-3 years at reasonable money <5.0 Million on a 3 year contract than have Saad. The Saad money could be used for LD or put away for next year when the big contract problems occur, i.e. ROR resigning, Thomas contract, Kyrou contract. Where is that money coming from to sign these players. I know the obvious answer is Tarasenko just dont think the Blues can trade him and get back no salary commitment.
I fundamentally disagree with every bit of your assessment on Saad as a player. A very average player tasked with shutting down the league's best 5 man unit would get absolutely caved in. Saad played 43 minutes against Makar and 38 minutes against MacKinnon at 5 on 5 during the playoffs and was on the ice for zero goals against. The only other players to hold that group scoreless for 30+ minutes during the playoffs were Stamkos, Kucherov and Sergachev. You don't have a prayer of beating Colorado in a 7 game series unless you can contain Makar/MacKinnon. Very average players certainly can't and his performance in the playoffs wasn't a deviation from what he did in the regular season.

Saad was unquestionably a top 3 defensive forward for the team all season. There is a significant drop off in defensive ability within our top 9 after ROR, Buch, and Saad. He was used in the biggest defensive role of every forward in our top 9 in the regular season and still came away with 24 goals, 49 points and a +11. There is absolutely nothing decidedly average about a guy who can get you 20+ goals and 45+ points while shouldering a clear defensive burden and playing on the 2nd PP unit.

In addition to absolutely being more than an average player, his strengths are in areas where we don't have much redundancy. We are a below average defensive team and he provides good defensive play. We don't have many forwards willing/able to establish a quality net front presence and that is his best offensive tool. We are deeper at RW than LW and he plays on the left side.

Moving him creates a large hole in areas where we are already weak and we're not filling those holes for cheaper than his $4.5M AAV. I'm optimistic that Neighbours can eventually make Saad redundant and expendable, but we shouldn't bank on that happening in 2022/23. The absolute earliest we should consider moving Saad is the summer of 2023 and I think that the summer of 2024 is more likely.
 
I really do wonder if all the Russia stuff could impact the market for Provorov and if we'd be scared off of him. Much more due diligence is required with younger Russians right now.
 
I like Husso and have been high on him for years. He was one of the few things @Ranksu and I agreed on for years. I'm happy for him to get paid after a long grind in the minors and battling for an NHL crease.

That's a fair price for him in the current goalie market, but I'm happy not to be paying it. The UFA goalie market for anything better than a good backup is a complete nightmare and I'm happy that we didn't dedicate $10M+ into the goaltending position.

Getting pick #73 for a guy that we clearly weren't going to re-sign is fantastic. I think we can thank the Wild for that. Taking Fleury off the market definitely increased the urgency of teams in need of goaltending.
 
Husso trade invoking Gunnarsson invoked a rewatch of Game 2 OT. So many critical clutch plays by stars there. A great cross ice pass by Tarasenko, a great couple of plays by Schwartz, Perron with tremendous forechecking, O'Reilly with passes and plays, Parayko with a strong move to carry the puck up ice. Krug and MacAvoy being generally overmatched was a major key to winning that series.
Thanks, I just rewatched that OT, which we completely dominated. Always brings me right back to that moment. Each time I rewatch I'm surprised to see Fabbri in the lineup that day. What a win.
 
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I think it's a bad look for an organization to move on from a guy to whom they gave a long-term contract after a single season. But as quickly as year 2, should situations have changed, I don't think any UFA would begrudge a team for moving a guy out. Players are more than happy to have simply found the contract terms that they wanted; having to honor those terms for another organization is merely part of the business.

Giving up on a guy after one lackluster year has the feeling of doing a guy wrong. What if the Blues had said, "nope - we've seen enough" after Justin Faulk's first season? He'd probably have been pissed having not had the chance to rebound after an adjustment period; and guys let other guys in the locker-room know what they think of a city/management. If he's immediately traded to Winnipeg, that doesn't go un-noticed.

Krug's had 2 full years, and is an asset for which Armstrong should have freedom to use however he sees best fit for his hockey-franchise. No different than any other player without a NMC.


Yes - this.
I can understand the argument that it's not a great look to move on from a player so quickly after either a down or injury plagued season. But in an era where everything is on demand in the moment and patience has fallen by the wayside, these players should be self aware enough to understand that business is business and having part of your cake and selling the rest for someone else to eat is part of game they signed up for.
 
Eff no to that, and he's going to Philly anyway per LeBrun. Which makes me wonder, handedness difference aside, if Sanheim or Provorov are going to be more available.
Well he just signed a 2 x 5m deal, which is 1.5m/year less than Krug is paid to put up numbers that are superior to Krug's offensively. It doesn't make much sense with the price paid in picks to acquire him, however, for the Blues to have done it, but I think if Philly wanted offense from the back end for cheap with a younger D-man, trading for TDA was a better move than grabbing Krug.
 
I really do wonder if all the Russia stuff could impact the market for Provorov and if we'd be scared off of him. Much more due diligence is required with younger Russians right now.
I don't see how anyone could be willing to give up value for him until we know that he isn't in Russia. Hearing Bettman and Guerin's 'no comments' that were very clearly crafted by legal teams told me that there is real belief that we are heading toward a worst case scenario here. This is obviously speculation, but Guerin's 'I can't talk about that' sounded to me like he is aware of a plan to sneak Kaprizov out of the country and doesn't want to make a comment that brings potential legal liability.

I think it is very reasonable to operate under an assumption that any player young enough to meet Russia's mandatory conscription requirement is going to be forced to stay in Russia unless he can get out of the country without showing a passport at his point of exit.
 
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I don't see how anyone could be willing to give up value for him until we know that he isn't in Russia. Hearing Bettman and Guerin's 'no comments' that were very clearly crafted by legal teams told me that there is real belief that we are heading toward a worst case scenario here. This is obviously speculation, but Guerin's 'I can't talk about that' sounded to me like he is aware of a plan to sneak Kaprizov out of the country and doesn't want to make a comment that brings potential legal liability.

I think it is very reasonable to operate under an assumption that any player young enough to meet Russia's mandatory conscription requirement is going to be forced to stay in Russia unless he can get out of the country without showing a passport at his point of exit.
Yeah, unless a player/team can prove that the player isn't in Russia, I can't see a team giving much value in a trade.
 
Well he just signed a 2 x 5m deal, which is 1.5m/year less than Krug is paid to put up numbers that are superior to Krug's offensively. It doesn't make much sense with the price paid in picks to acquire him, however, for the Blues to have done it, but I think if Philly wanted offense from the back end for cheap with a younger D-man, trading for TDA was a better move than grabbing Krug.
Sorry, just don't want Tony DeAngelo anywhere near my favorite team. He's despicable
 
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Is it possible to keep Tarasenko and still sign Perron and Leddy to 4.5 million per deals? If not, would moving Barbashev solve this?
 
Is it possible to keep Tarasenko and still sign Perron and Leddy to 4.5 million per deals? If not, would moving Barbashev solve this?
No. Even if we round the roster out with young and league minimum type guys, we'd still need to move Scandella at a minimum. Just Barbashev wouldn't be enough due to our overages. I'm preparing for one or both of them walking.
 
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I’m wondering if Army wants to keep Tarasenko for another cup run and let him walk next year. and try to re- sign Perron and let Leddy walk. Then address LD later like he did this year.
 
Is it possible to keep Tarasenko and still sign Perron and Leddy to 4.5 million per deals? If not, would moving Barbashev solve this?
Not without moving Barby. If we only move out Scandella, we have 9.5Mish to sign Perron, a backup goalie and replace Scandella. Its $9.75M with Rosen, Torop, and Brown as our extras. They all make $750k. We have to re-sign RFAs Kostin, Perunovich and Mikkola. If any of them make the team over the three above, they may cost a little more and we'd have a little less. Moving Barby would probably give us the extra little bit we'd need for that if we went cheap with our backup goalie.
 
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