Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Sorry let me rework it a bit more cleanly.

I think Tarasenko can fetch a 1st + Kravstov type return at the draft. So if I give up Tarasenko for this playoff run, which I have reasons to be loath to do, I would want it to be the equivalent of 1st + Neighbors/Bolduc/Perunovich/Kostin return.

I would expect to pay a little more than that to acquire Lindholm.

That seems like highly optimistic return. Who would do that?

 

[PocketNines]

That seems like highly optimistic return. Who would do that?

Who would do which?

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'd honestly want to to find a cheap 4/5 type defenseman at the deadline and keep Tarasenko. If Tarasenko still wants a move, then do it in the summer.

I'd want Chiarot and Tarasenko over Lindholm and whoever we'd have to move off the roster for Chiarot. Or maybe Dekeyser. I'd much rather get a moderate upgrade to the 3rd pair, someone of similar quality to Scandella, so they could top 4 in a pinch. And revisit the top 4 upgrade in the summer.

When healthy we have a really good offense, but I'd be worried that once we remove Tarasenko, if we aren't fully healthy, we'll start to really struggle to produce.

 

[PocketNines]

Krug, Scandella, Chairot group is not winning a Cup IMO

 

[Stealth JD]

Lindholm is exactly the player the Blues are missing to strongly contend. If he is actually available the Blues have to win that bidding war. Pretty much any player on their first contract should be available. Now if the Blues long term think they can supplant Krug skills with cheaper Perunovich, great, but I’m not expecting to get that lucky so I wouldn’t make him the dealbreaker if that’s the prospect Anaheim wanted with the 2022 1st. I’d probably add a 4th or another lesser prospect if that is what it took to win the market contest.

Thing is, trading Perunovich and a 1st could be one of those things that gets a GM fired in the long-run. If Perunovich becomes an impactful NHL'er from day 1 at a fraction of the contract that you've just given to an injury-plagued veteran D-man...the echoes of that misfire will ring forever if Lindholm breaks down and Perunovich breaks out. The first on top would be an after-thought.

I think Army thinks too highly of Perunovich to deal him; kind of like how Kyrou and Thomas weren't available for ROR.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Ideally, the goal is to acquire a bottom-pairing defenseman AND Lindholm.

 

[PocketNines]

I understand why there’s three way trade ideas if the Blues are both targeting and selling a major player at the deadline.

You have to pick your poison you can have a very deep defense but you are going to have to move a valuable cog in your offense, or you can try to do patchwork on the defense and keep Tarasenko for this playoff run.

 

[PocketNines]

Thing is, trading Perunovich and a 1st could be one of those things that gets a GM fired in the long-run. If Perunovich becomes an impactful NHL'er from day 1 at a fraction of the contract that you've just given to an injury-plagued veteran D-man...the echoes of that misfire will ring forever if Lindholm breaks down and Perunovich breaks out. The first on top would be an after-thought.

I think Army thinks too highly of Perunovich to deal him; kind of like how Kyrou and Thomas weren't available for ROR.

It depends on how good they think he can be defensively. If they think he’s going to be the same as Krug then I can see them dealing him if Anaheim says the price is Perunovich plus 1st and you can extend Lindholm

 

[Seattlebjprice]

Part of me thinks Peronuvich is untouchable as it’s rare a draft pick occurs with the players name already on the jersey.

I’d imagine in any case, DA would want to see him in an NHL game before committing to something else.

Hope he gets a call up soon!

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Who would do which?

Give up a 1st and top prospect for declining winger 1 year from free agency?

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

At every stage, the Blues management has given the impression they are very high on Perunovich. If anything, I think his camp ad early season have added fuel to that. It’s hard for me to see him used as a trade piece unless the deal is too old to pass up. If a top LHD comes in, I’d more likely expect Krug going out and Perunovich filling that role. I don’t have specific trade proposals around that.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If we are looking to add a D, couple names I would throw out there are Severenson and Fowler.

Severenson is righty, but adding him would really solidify 3rd pair. Devils have cap space and could use someone like Tarasenko up front. This would get us but of cap space and solidify our weakest area.

Fowler I mention bc if ducks extend lindholm he could potentially become available. He seems like he would be ideal fit if we had cap space for him, either in deal for tank or if we dealt tank elsewhere for picks or prospects. He would also presumably cost less than extended lindholm in both $ and trade.

 

[Ranksu]

If we are looking to add a D, couple names I would throw out there are Severenson and Fowler.

Severenson is righty, but adding him would really solidify 3rd pair. Devils have cap space and could use someone like Tarasenko up front. This would get us but of cap space and solidify our weakest area.

Fowler I mention bc if ducks extend lindholm he could potentially become available. He seems like he would be ideal fit if we had cap space for him, either in deal for tank or if we dealt tank elsewhere for picks or prospects. He would also presumably cost less than extended lindholm in both $ and trade.

I would lean on Fowler. He is capable playing heavy duty at PK and (PP if needed).

But mostly he could be ideal d-partner with Parayko.

It we acquire another D. Somebody needs to. I would rather keep Scandella than Krug. Perunovich can take Krug spot at PP.

 

[Stealth JD]

I've never been a big fan of Cam Fowler, going back to his draft year. Between his own fans calling him Flower and his shot being described as a 'muffin' in the early stages of his career, I've never been able to overcome the negative bias I've had of him, despite admittedly having watched very little of him in his career outside of his games against the Blues. The Ducks just haven't been an interesting team in the past decade; not since the days of Pronger and Niedermayer.

 

[PocketNines]

People want Cam Fowler? Ahahahahaha

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I know I'm probably off on this assessment, but, I've always seen Fowler as a LH Faulk.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I wouldn't have a problem with Fowler, but his play style isn't exactly what we need. We'd want a 2-way guy, but someone that leans more towards the defensive side, like Parayko does.

 

[PocketNines]

Krug>>Fowler for the same price

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Obviously some folks haven’t seen Fowler lately.

 

[PocketNines]

Fowler doesn’t bring more offense than Krug and he isn’t someone we would trust defensively. And he is on basically the Krug contract. I think Krug has an extra year.

 

[PocketNines]

Give up a 1st and top prospect for declining winger 1 year from free agency?

Clearly I was being asked to untangle why I see Lindholm as being worth a little more than I would accept in trade for Tarasenko at this deadline. He is PPG, looks fit and extremely motivated. If he is sold before this deadline that gives the other team 2 playoffs while he’s very much a contributor and they can decide where their roster is when it comes time to extend him. There’s no way that if I can get at least a 1st at the draft for this version of Tarasenko that I would accept less than a 1st + significant prospect to give him up for this run.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Clearly I was being asked to untangle why I see Lindholm as being worth a little more than I would accept in trade for Tarasenko at this deadline. He is PPG, looks fit and extremely motivated. If he is sold before this deadline that gives the other team 2 playoffs while he’s very much a contributor and they can decide where their roster is when it comes time to extend him. There’s no way that if I can get at least a 1st at the draft for this version of Tarasenko that I would accept less than a 1st + significant prospect to give him up for this run.

Would be shocked if anyone gives up a 1st for him, either at draft or before.

 

[PocketNines]

Would be shocked if anyone gives up a 1st for him, either at draft or before.

I think you’re very wrong. If you’re right there’s an even better chance that he stays because Armstrong can tell him that not one team even thinks the PPG version of him is worth the standard deadline price for players of his caliber.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If Tarasenko scores 30+ goals and 60+ points, he'll get a good return at the draft, something along the lines of a 1st and a failing 1st round pick would definitely be in the ballpark.

 

[Stealth JD]

Would be shocked if anyone gives up a 1st for him, either at draft or before.

Not me. Zucker, Coleman, Hall, Pageua, Kevin Hayes, Evander Kane, Foligno, Savard...all of those guys got 1st rounders back in recent years. A healthy Vladi is better than just about all of them.
I would be shocked if Army traded him though. Not unless he has a plan to strengthen the team elsewhere.