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Don’t look now but Nate Schmidt now has 8 assists in 9 games and is a +5. He could have been acquired this offseason for a 3rd round pick. I still think he would have been a great partner for Parayko.
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Winnipeg made some killer moves this off-season. Schmidt and Dillon were excellent additions to a squad led by Morrissey. I think their D is almost as good as ours. Take Parayko out of the equation and it is as good or possibly better.
And he makes almost 6 mil per year. How would we have fit that?
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Morrissey was fun to watch. As a Moose, it was clear as day that he was going to be a successful NHL defenseman.
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It would have started with not signing Saad. Admittedly, we would have had to have been creative to find the other $1.4M, even if it meant being tougher with the Thomas contract, but this is generally where Army excels.
That’s pretty much a lateral move, don’t really think it makes us a better team as we would then have a hole in the top 6.
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Yeah, I wouldn't like Schmidt, but ultimately, I think it's better we didn't make that decision. It only would've made sense if Tarasenko was traded and we believed Schmidt was our long-term LHD solution. I'd rather have Saad over Schmidt, and banking on Tarasenko has been the correct decision as well. I'm fine waiting on a different option.
The Flyers have a bit of a logjam coming on the left side of their defense. They currently have Provorov, Sanheim, and Yandle there, but they also have Cam York and Yegor Zamula down in Lehigh. How much longer do they want to keep them there? I wonder if there’s something that could get done between us and them. Sanheim would be a consummate Blue, but that would be an expensive trade for sure
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I guess maybe I see the situation differently than others, but I just don't understand these ideas of bringing in 3rd pairing LD in season or next offseason to make our D "better". We have guys like Walman, Mikkola, Perunovich and even Rosen and Tucker that you could hide on your 3rd pair and be OK with them playing 12-13 minutes a night.
To me, the idea is to bring in someone like Lindholm (just to use an example) who either pushes Scandella down to the 3rd pairing or out of the lineup/off the roster because they are a legitimate Top 4 defender. Scandella has been fine on the shut down pair with Parayko from time-to-time, but he's far too inconsistent to rely on in that role every night.
If we can find a guy who fits the mold and leaves us [New Guy]-Parayko and Krug-Faulk for our Top 4, spending $6.5M-$7.5M on [New Guy] (or $26M-27M on those four guys combined) while filling in 5-7 with Bortuzzo money and less is certainly viable, especially as the cap starts to rise. Assuming you have a long term commitment for [New Guy] at that level, just like you have for the other three, that leaves you $55M-$56M to fill in your forwards and goaltending when the cap hits $85M. Right now we're spending around $47M on 14F and 2G with the current roster if you assume that you are moving Tarasenko out to accommodate [New Guy] in your salary structure, so the cap room is there if you want it.
To me, the idea is to bring in someone like Lindholm (just to use an example) who either pushes Scandella down to the 3rd pairing or out of the lineup/off the roster because they are a legitimate Top 4 defender. Scandella has been fine on the shut down pair with Parayko from time-to-time, but he's far too inconsistent to rely on in that role every night.
If we can find a guy who fits the mold and leaves us [New Guy]-Parayko and Krug-Faulk for our Top 4, spending $6.5M-$7.5M on [New Guy] (or $26M-27M on those four guys combined) while filling in 5-7 with Bortuzzo money and less is certainly viable, especially as the cap starts to rise. Assuming you have a long term commitment for [New Guy] at that level, just like you have for the other three, that leaves you $55M-$56M to fill in your forwards and goaltending when the cap hits $85M. Right now we're spending around $47M on 14F and 2G with the current roster if you assume that you are moving Tarasenko out to accommodate [New Guy] in your salary structure, so the cap room is there if you want it.
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Yeah, we simply need to upgrade Scandella and move him somewhere else. Perunovich will most likely be the 3rd pairing guy next year.
Agree and Lindholm is the ideal guy.. it's just about cap and is he willing to part ways with the Ducks etc..
A trade paths assuming Tarasenko is moved.
Short Version:
Stl receives M. Tkachuk
Tyler Pitlick
Cgy receives V. Tarasenko, Jordan Kyrou, protected 1st
Long Version:
Tkachuk’s contract is kind of a problem if the assumption is that he wants to try free agency - which seems possible given his lack of extension or captaincy. He earns 9 mil cash on 7AAV, and is 1 year from UFA. Calgary has to 9 mil his qualifying offer, which Tkachuk could accept walking him straight to UFA.
and Tarasenko - rumors I respect from 32 thoughts guys is Tarasenko was not thrilled he didn’t get captaincy. Calgary doesn’t have one. I’m not saying he goes there and is given the C - but he should get a shot at it.
Kyrou is added to assure value, and a 1st to accommodate risk.
Pitlick a cap casualty who could go anywhere - Arizona for example - for what I’d guess is a modest fee given his small contract and final year remaining.
Saad-ROR-Perron
Kostin/Barbashev-Schenn-Buchnevich
Barbashev(Filled in by Neighbors when ready)-Thomas-Tkachuk
Sundqvist-Bozak-Neal/Clifford/Pitlick
Short Version:
Stl receives M. Tkachuk
Tyler Pitlick
Cgy receives V. Tarasenko, Jordan Kyrou, protected 1st
Long Version:
Tkachuk’s contract is kind of a problem if the assumption is that he wants to try free agency - which seems possible given his lack of extension or captaincy. He earns 9 mil cash on 7AAV, and is 1 year from UFA. Calgary has to 9 mil his qualifying offer, which Tkachuk could accept walking him straight to UFA.
and Tarasenko - rumors I respect from 32 thoughts guys is Tarasenko was not thrilled he didn’t get captaincy. Calgary doesn’t have one. I’m not saying he goes there and is given the C - but he should get a shot at it.
Kyrou is added to assure value, and a 1st to accommodate risk.
Pitlick a cap casualty who could go anywhere - Arizona for example - for what I’d guess is a modest fee given his small contract and final year remaining.
Saad-ROR-Perron
Kostin/Barbashev-Schenn-Buchnevich
Barbashev(Filled in by Neighbors when ready)-Thomas-Tkachuk
Sundqvist-Bozak-Neal/Clifford/Pitlick
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Are you at least going to buy us dinner before f***ing us like that?
Kyrou is not an add to assure value. He IS the value.
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I can understand if other fan bases think it is ridiculous, but I wouldn't trade Kyrou for Tkachuk straight up at the moment. Kyrou is going to be something special and this season looks like it might be his coming out party. I would love to have Tkachuk on this team, but Kyrou could very well be just as impactful in the lineup this season at 40% of Tkachuk's cap hit. I'd rather move Tarasenko for futures in the off season and gamble that Tkachuk walks as a free agent and not give up anything for him. Even with Tarasenko off the roster, Tkachuk would be a luxury when you still have ROR, Schenn, Perron, Thomas, Kyrou, Saad and Buchnevich to fill out your Top 6.
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I'd love to see Chucky play for Blues someday but not for that package. For the record Jeff Marek suggested on a recent podcast that he got the sense Tarasenko specifically didn't want to be captain, so take that for what it's worth. Considering Tarasenko doesn't love talking to the media or breaking down specific plays or situations, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want the responsibility of being captain. He's a great teammate no doubt, but I don't think he likes being in the public spotlight so much.
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The more I think about the whole Tarasenko captain thing. I'm starting to think he wanted Schwartz to be captain. But that's just my opinion.
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The price for Tkachuk is only one veteran elite RW plus one world class skating, up and coming RW?
I could imagine a universe where Tkachuk and Tarasenko are moved for each other and certainly it would be the Blues adding but not Kyrou.
I could imagine a universe where Tkachuk and Tarasenko are moved for each other and certainly it would be the Blues adding but not Kyrou.
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I feel I use different means to value players.
But I digress. The proposal is meant only for the universe where both Tkachuk and Tarasenko will be on new teams within 2 years. It only makes sense if GMDA is still being pushed to move Tarasenko and/or knows that he will walk in 2 years, and Calgary is fearful Tkachuk will walk to UFA that same time. In all cases both players would also want to participate in the trade: Tarasenko via no trade and Tkachuk by contract status. GMDA cannot make this move without being awfully sure he can sign Tkachuk and the AAV fits the cap structure.
I personally find this trade appealing, as you’re essentially paying Kyrou to secure Tkachuk long term during some high performing years based on historic trends, replacing Tarasenko’s contract, especially given Thomas’ relation with Tkachuk, and what those 2 could do in tandem.
I’d rather not offer Bolduc, Neighbors, or Peronvich, due to our existing prospect needs, and given STL’s depth, a playoff seed is highly possible, making future draft picks less valuable. Even though he seems very consistent so far, I don’t see Calgary enticed by Alexandrov and I don’t see them in the goalie market where STL has assets. I don’t think they’d want Kostin, but who knows. Tarasenko, Kostin, and a 1st would be robbery .
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I could imagine a universe where it occurred but I don’t think it is likely. If we are being honest about things it’s a lot more likely Tkachuk comes to STL as a UFA than Tarasenko comes to Calgary as a UFA. It’s really a world where Calgary looks like a contender destination that Tarasenko wants to be part of longer term. If Tarasenko is willing to remain with Calgary then I could see it being something Armstrong would look into. But if everyone knows it’s only two seasons of Tarasenko then he leaves in UFA I don’t see the trade basis happening.
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