Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

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Thallis

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The 5-0 start is awesome but I won’t ignore the fact we played:
Colorado: without MacKinnon/Landeskog
Vegas: without Stone/Pacioretty
LA: without Doughty
Arizona: without an NHL roster to begin with

We have been missing players at forward so I’m not taking too much away from the great start. However, I will certainly recognize that 3 of our 5 wins came against awful teams and Colorado and Vegas were missing significant offensive firepower.

Our true needs on defense will be determined by Jan/Feb as the sample size grows larger. My gut says we will need help in order to shut down the Avs/Knights at 100%. I don’t think the D has been that great to begin the year. I believe we are middle of the pack in expected goals against.

It's not so much the injury situation that concerns me, it's the fact that all of our underlying numbers are below average and suggest our record is significantly better than our performance. Teams starting off with a 107 PDO typically don't stay at the top for very long. We need to improve on the ice by a decent amount of we're going to remain competitive, because our goalies will have off games and we're not going to shoot at 10% for very long.
 

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Faulk also spent a whole period in the box in the same game. You’d think that Bortz would’ve snagged an extra couple minutes there.
Bortuzzo has also always had very sporadic ice times. Some games its 10 minutes some games its 20 minutes.


Edit:idk why I typed 8
 

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Parayko playing big minutes is really just more of an indication that his back is fully healthy.
 

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I was listening to 101 ESPN this morning for whatever reason, and JR was on there answering Blues questions. As an insider, I don't understand how someone can claim to have such valuable information such as Tarasenko still wanting out despite the team doing well and him being obviously healthy, when he couldn't answer what the Blues might want or might receive in return for Tarasenko. He had very vague opinions like "Could the Blues maybe get a top 4 defenseman, sure, but this and that" completely avoiding the question and deciding to talk about Tarasenko's situation. Idk, I'm just super annoyed at the Blues coverage because it honestly feels like other people cover this team better despite having zero connection to the city than JR does.
 

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JR is a good beat writer, Stickland is the better local insider. My bigger problem with the JR/Tarasenko stuff is how everyone has gone complete lizard brain on it. Just because Tarasenko is healthy and just because the team is playing well, it doesn't mean the relationship has magically been fixed between him and management/medical.

We are still in the same situation where we have a player that we know will 100% not extend his contract here. In 2 summers, he's gone, similar to the Shattenkirk situation. Now it's probably more likely that Tarasenko isn't moved this season unless a big offer comes, but Army will still have him out there and he'll definitely have him available in the summer.
 
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I was listening to 101 ESPN this morning for whatever reason, and JR was on there answering Blues questions. As an insider, I don't understand how someone can claim to have such valuable information such as Tarasenko still wanting out despite the team doing well and him being obviously healthy, when he couldn't answer what the Blues might want or might receive in return for Tarasenko. He had very vague opinions like "Could the Blues maybe get a top 4 defenseman, sure, but this and that" completely avoiding the question and deciding to talk about Tarasenko's situation. Idk, I'm just super annoyed at the Blues coverage because it honestly feels like other people cover this team better despite having zero connection to the city than JR does.
JR seems determined to single-handedly keep the trade watch going. If he's had a single source on this topic that wasn't someone in Tarasenko's employ, he kept it secret very well.

I understand that Armstrong isn't going to share a lot of details with him, and probably less now than he might have done previously. But someone around the league would be able to give more information about the Blues' asks. And if you can't get any information like that, you don't really have a story to write other than a propaganda piece for Vlad.
 

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I was listening to 101 ESPN this morning for whatever reason, and JR was on there answering Blues questions. As an insider, I don't understand how someone can claim to have such valuable information such as Tarasenko still wanting out despite the team doing well and him being obviously healthy, when he couldn't answer what the Blues might want or might receive in return for Tarasenko. He had very vague opinions like "Could the Blues maybe get a top 4 defenseman, sure, but this and that" completely avoiding the question and deciding to talk about Tarasenko's situation. Idk, I'm just super annoyed at the Blues coverage because it honestly feels like other people cover this team better despite having zero connection to the city than JR does.
I always take concepts like this with a grain of salt anyway because there isn't likely a fit for a "hockey trade" in-season in this situation. The likeliest scenario where Tarasenko gets traded in season between now and the TDL is that we trade him for futures to a team in need of offense with cap space (LTIR or organic) and we flip those futures and/or use some of our own to supplement the current roster. It seems like a bit of a unicorn, as capped out as almost all contenders are at this point, that there would be a team with a glut of LD in need of offense that could match up with our need of a LD where Tarasenko would actually waive his NTC to go to.
 

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I always take concepts like this with a grain of salt anyway because there isn't likely a fit for a "hockey trade" in-season in this situation. The likeliest scenario where Tarasenko gets traded in season between now and the TDL is that we trade him for futures to a team in need of offense with cap space (LTIR or organic) and we flip those futures and/or use some of our own to supplement the current roster. It seems like a bit of a unicorn, as capped out as almost all contenders are at this point, that there would be a team with a glut of LD in need of offense that could match up with our need of a LD where Tarasenko would actually waive his NTC to go to.
How do you like Ryan Graves?
 
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About the only valuable insight JR could be providing if he has a legitimate insight into Tarasenko's current thinking from the Tarasenko source is how picky Tarasenko is being about where he will be traded. "Trade me anywhere the first time you get the price you want and I'll maneuver myself from there" is attitudinally different than "I only want to play for a team that will be in the playoffs." I'm assuming that since nobody who reads or listens to JR is citing info about how picky Tarasenko will be with his NTC, JR does not know about that either.

If Tarasenko is prizing competing for a championship above all else then he will either be traded East to a contender who can give a 1st + prospect too valuable to resist or he will stay on the Blues. Armstrong can get a 1st round pick at the draft for 1 year of Tarasenko who can be extended.
 

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Yana Tarasenko literally posted and told people to "ignore the media" or "stay away from the media", I forget how the exact wording was but that seems like a better source for ignoring JR than anything JR has said to validate anything he has said.
 

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Yana Tarasenko literally posted and told people to "ignore the media" or "stay away from the media", I forget how the exact wording was but that seems like a better source for ignoring JR than anything JR has said to validate anything he has said.
I am basing this only on my own speculation, but I'd started to wonder if part of the trade request is pressure from Yana even more than Vlad. Maybe it makes no difference, but it would put his relationship with the team NOW as being less important to the decision staying firm.

I don't see much chance there is a mid-season trade. The teams that want a guy like Vlad aren't going to want to give valuable roster pieces when they think they're contenders. And the Blues won't want to gut their chances by taking mainly futures in the mid-season. In the off-season or at the draft, a lot of possibilities open up. Even better, Vlad will be owned 2M less than his cap hit. I think it will be easy to move him for something worthwhile then.
 

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The Blues could trade their 1st at the deadline for the LD, and, before the draft, recoup it by moving Tarasenko. That would mean tighter in-season capwork and almost automatically means Scandella goes back in the LD trade if the team has no big contract on LTIR. With Scandella already the only left side semi-reliable defender, simply upgrading him does not feel like an Armstrong move. An Armstrong move feels like adding to the defense.

The luckiest situation would be getting 50 games in then Krug going on LTIR until the playoffs.
 

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The Blues could trade their 1st at the deadline for the LD, and, before the draft, recoup it by moving Tarasenko. That would mean tighter in-season capwork and almost automatically means Scandella goes back in the LD trade if the team has no big contract on LTIR. With Scandella already the only left side semi-reliable defender, simply upgrading him does not feel like an Armstrong move. An Armstrong move feels like adding to the defense.

The luckiest situation would be getting 50 games in then Krug going on LTIR until the playoffs.


You can’t hope someone gets hurt.

With Montreal tanking maybe the Blues target Chiarot
 

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You can’t hope someone gets hurt.

With Montreal tanking maybe the Blues target Chiarot
To be clear I don't root for injuries. It's a tough task to add without subtracting D while keeping Tarasenko; to do so they would need an LTIR; it's really the only alternate scenario to mention. If rehabbing for 30 games then coming back fine had to happen to any player with cap, the one the Blues could probably most easily replace internally is Krug. I probably shouldn't have said it would be "lucky" for Krug to be injured, I don't mean that at all even if I think he's better suited to a 4/5 role.
 

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Likely (pure guess, nothing I've read) any day now we will hear about a Lindholm extension forcing us to focus on the next best options
 

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JR is a good beat writer, Stickland is the better local insider. My bigger problem with the JR/Tarasenko stuff is how everyone has gone complete lizard brain on it. Just because Tarasenko is healthy and just because the team is playing well, it doesn't mean the relationship has magically been fixed between him and management/medical.

We are still in the same situation where we have a player that we know will 100% not extend his contract here. In 2 summers, he's gone, similar to the Shattenkirk situation. Now it's probably more likely that Tarasenko isn't moved this season unless a big offer comes, but Army will still have him out there and he'll definitely have him available in the summer.
JR as a beat writer is fine, but he's no longer just a beat writer. He's with the Athletic and is looked upon to give insights to the Blues that other people probably shouldn't have, or at least post articles that are worth more than a "wElL gOlLy tHiS tEaM sUrE iS gReAt". He should have a better grasp on actual hockey information besides surface level stuff. Also, I do agree with you that people are lizard-braining right now because everything is seemingly going well. I've maintained the stance that Tarasenko wants a trade, and until more information comes out, he still probably wants a trade. But unless JR is going to give reasons why he knows this or at least beat around the bush hard that someone close to Tarasenko has confirmed this to him, then why tf even say it. I just found his discussion so much more annoying because having information like "What would the Blues ask for in return for Tarasenko" seems like such baseline, easy information to receive from someone in the front office and he couldn't answer that directly.

I always take concepts like this with a grain of salt anyway because there isn't likely a fit for a "hockey trade" in-season in this situation. The likeliest scenario where Tarasenko gets traded in season between now and the TDL is that we trade him for futures to a team in need of offense with cap space (LTIR or organic) and we flip those futures and/or use some of our own to supplement the current roster. It seems like a bit of a unicorn, as capped out as almost all contenders are at this point, that there would be a team with a glut of LD in need of offense that could match up with our need of a LD where Tarasenko would actually waive his NTC to go to.
I ALWAYS take opinions from these sorts of guys with a huge grain of salt. St Louis isn't known for its hockey reporting, so there's not really any use in trusting these opinions, even from guys like Jamie Rivers. Nothing against him, but like what valuable connections does he have in the front office right now that would tell him something important and what's the likelihood that he'd even release that information? 101 ESPN is hardly known for breaking big time stories or news so I don't expect high journalism there. Like I said before, I find it annoying that I can give a better, more clear answer to the question "What would the Blues look in return" than a 10+ St. Louis Blues writer can, and my information is solely just based on looking at team performance and roster construction. Maybe I'm being too hard on JR, but I mean c'mon.
 

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To me the most likely outcome is a trade in the summer. We are going to need to free up some room for Perron, hopefully upgrade top 4 LHD, and round out the roster. The other piece in all this is the potential bonus overage we'll have because of Bozak, Army isn't going to want a big cap penalty for next season because of it.

I could easily see Army being somewhat aggressive on future assets to get a top 4 LHD if he has a strong belief that Tarasenko will return something good at the draft. If he scores 30+ and has 60+ points, then he'll have a good return at the draft to recoup whatever we give up for a top 4 LHD upgrade.
 

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Everything comes down to leverage. The only leverage Tarasenko has is to go home and sit out the season.

He's not going to do that. No trade coming anytime this year.
 

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Only way I see Tarasenko being traded before the offseason is if we completely fall off a cliff or Tarasenko becomes a big locker room cancer. I can't see the former happening and I don't think the latter would happen because it doesn't seem like that'd be in Vlad's personality.
 
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