Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1

[Mike Liut]

The asking price for Chychrun is apparently the same as what Eichel got. If so. Scandella (cap dump), Kostin (Tuch), Neighbors (Krebs), 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick.

That’s a hell of a package. I’m really high on Neighbors and Kostin.

 

[TheDizee]

scandella & husso for Ben Chiarot

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

The asking price for Chychrun is apparently the same as what Eichel got. If so. Scandella (cap dump), Kostin (Tuch), Neighbors (Krebs), 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick.

is Chyc being overrated? he's really had just one decent year and 1 really good year... and that was 'bubble' hockey.. basically playing bad teams in SJ, ANA.. etc

now, I'm sure he's a fine player, but I doubt he's Eichel fine..

dunno... I've just seen bits and pieces of his play (mostly when the blues play them).. so maybe I'm missing something

 

[Brockon]

Only if he signs a long term deal.

Because this year and 3 more at 4.6 AAV don't count for enough? He makes 1.325m more than Scandella and is thought to be a massive upgrade on Scandella in terms of all-round play, on top of being 8 years younger.

By the time Chycrun is eligible to sign a new contract, the Blues will either be looking to sell off or retooling.

Perron will likely retire (age 37)
ROR (34) will be a year into his extension or a year gone
Buchnevich 1 year from UFA or signing an extension at 30
Faulk (32) and Krug (33) have 3 years left
Schenn (33) will have 4 years left.
Barbashev (29) 1 year gone, or 1 year into extension.

Our core pieces in 3 years, as I see it:
Thomas 25
Kyrou 26
Parayko 31
Neighbours 23
Perunovich 26

Gotta say Chychrun at 26 fits into that age for another core pretty well and helps us out today. Not to mention Alexandrov is likely in the mix for a middle 6 role. Beyond that, I can't say I see anyone I'm confident is still on our team and thought of as a core piece in 3 years time - I think Schenn, Krug and Faulk are still with us, but are bones of contention with the fan base.

 

[Mike Liut]

Because this year and 3 more at 4.6 AAV don't count for enough? He makes 1.325m more than Scandella and is thought to be a massive upgrade on Scandella in terms of all-round play, on top of being 8 years younger.

By the time Chycrun is eligible to sign a new contract, the Blues will either be looking to sell off or retooling.

Perron will likely retire (age 37)
ROR (34) will be a year into his extension or a year gone
Buchnevich 1 year from UFA or signing an extension at 30
Faulk (32) and Krug (33) have 3 years left
Schenn (33) will have 4 years left.
Barbashev (29) 1 year gone, or 1 year into extension.

Our core pieces in 3 years, as I see it:
Thomas 25
Kyrou 26
Parayko 31
Neighbours 23
Perunovich 26

Gotta say Chychrun at 26 fits into that age for another core pretty well and helps us out today. Not to mention Alexandrov is likely in the mix for a middle 6 role. Beyond that, I can't say I see anyone I'm confident is still on our team and thought of as a core piece in 3 years time - I think Schenn, Krug and Faulk are still with us, but are bones of contention with the fan base.

Sorry, I thought I read he was an UFA

 

[jjniner]

Scott Mayfield fr0m the Islanders available… Mayfield and a 1st for Vladi and Marco?

 

[Reality Czech]

Scott Mayfield fr0m the Islanders available… Mayfield and a 1st for Vladi and Marco?

I would absolutely do that but I can't see the Isles giving up a first. They'll have plenty of interest in Mayfield without giving up a first round pick, especially considering their first this year will likely be a decent one.

 

[Zezel’s Pretzels]

Scott Mayfield fr0m the Islanders available… Mayfield and a 1st for Vladi and Marco?

We're contenders this year. Sending two roster pieces - and Vladi is a HUGE one - out for one and a future seems like a silly move. Plus, would that work for NYI's cap? We'd be saving a ton of money, when we need to be spending to the cap.

If you're saying that we flip the lower 1st out for a F rental at the deadline, I counter with the opinion that Vladi + Marco is likely going to be better for the current team than Mayfield + trade deadline F.

I want to upgrade from Scandella too, but frankly, with the D being healthy now and the D pairings starting to gel - I'd like to see how the team does at full F strength before determining how important a LD upgrade is this year. Marco might be an expensive 3rd pairing guy, but him, Bortz, and Perunovich are quality 3rd pairing options.

 

[Stealth JD]

If a big reason for Tarasenko wanting to be traded is his relationship with Berube, wouldn't it be easier to fire Berube and keep your sniper? Maybe there's a bigger boost to be had from changing head coaches than there is from trading away your leading scorer.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

If a big reason for Tarasenko wanting to be traded is his relationship with Berube, wouldn't it be easier to fire Berube and keep your sniper? Maybe there's a bigger boost to be had from changing head coaches than there is from trading away your leading scorer.

We know this...how?

 

[ChicagoBlues]

If a big reason for Tarasenko wanting to be traded is his relationship with Berube, wouldn't it be easier to fire Berube and keep your sniper? Maybe there's a bigger boost to be had from changing head coaches than there is from trading away your leading scorer.

Whatever the reasons are for Tarasenko's trade request, the fact remains that a trade request was made and DA has already attempted to honor that. Vladi is playing good enough with his buddies that DA is holding off the trade thing.

DA could lose trust of some of the team if Vladi is traded because the Russian line is playing so well. It's hard to justify breaking that up, but I would if the deal was right.

 

[Zezel’s Pretzels]

Whatever the reasons are for Tarasenko's trade request, the fact remains that a trade request was made and DA has already attempted to honor that. Vladi is playing good enough with his buddies that DA is holding off the trade thing.

DA could lose trust of some of the team if Vladi is traded because the Russian line is playing so well. It's hard to justify breaking that up, but I would if the deal was right.

Wait until the season is over; the decision is probably clearer then anyway. I agree with not losing team trust, and you have to see this season through. The way Vlad is playing right now, he'll bring in quite a haul around the draft next year for a team looking to extend him another 5-6 years.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Wait until the season is over; the decision is probably clearer then anyway. I agree with not losing team trust, and you have to see this season through. The way Vlad is playing right now, he'll bring in quite a haul around the draft next year for a team looking to extend him another 5-6 years.

Yeah, maybe that's the best way to go. I'm really not sure.

 

[BlueDream]

If a big reason for Tarasenko wanting to be traded is his relationship with Berube, wouldn't it be easier to fire Berube and keep your sniper? Maybe there's a bigger boost to be had from changing head coaches than there is from trading away your leading scorer.

No.

Keeping Berube over Tarasenko is the easiest decision in the world.

1. It’s harder to find a good coach than a good forward.

2. We receive assets by trading Tarasenko. Firing Berube brings us nothing.

 

[jjniner]

Point! Counterpoint!

 

[Mike Liut]

No.

Keeping Berube over Tarasenko is the easiest decision in the world.

1. It’s harder to find a good coach than a good forward.

2. We receive assets by trading Tarasenko. Firing Berube brings us nothing.

And, Tarasenko has only one more year on his contract.

 

[Mike Liut]

Do we have any interest in Chiarot?

 

[Mike Liut]

I think Mikkola is a lot like Chiarot. Neither one are true 1st pairings, but both are big and physical.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Do we have any interest in Chiarot?

Not for reported asking price. No way I give up 1st for him.

 

[Stealth JD]

We know this...how?

Per this Athletic snipped; take with a grain of salt in your desired amount:

I’ve read that Vladimir Tarasenko's issues are with Blues coach Craig Berube and not necessarily the Blues. Any context you can add? — Jeremy B.

As I’ve written a few times, Tarasenko’s lack of trust in the organization was the biggest factor in his requesting a trade, according to sources. But yes, I believe that from Tarasenko’s perspective, his relationship with Berube is not ideal. Why is that? I think a big part of it was Berube pushing Tarasenko to play better when Tarasenko didn’t think he was healthy enough to perform better, coming back from two shoulder surgeries he felt weren’t handled properly.

 

[Xerloris]

Per this Athletic snipped; take with a grain of salt in your desired amount:

I’ve read that Vladimir Tarasenko's issues are with Blues coach Craig Berube and not necessarily the Blues. Any context you can add? — Jeremy B.

JR is so full of shit I'm surprised it doesn't pour out of his mouth when he talks.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Issues with coaches tend to get smoothed out when performances are going well. I'm sure having Hoffman become the PP shooter last season caused some issues, but now that Hoffman is gone, and Tarasenko is scoring, that's not really an issue anymore. If the team is playing well and Tarasenko is playing well, an issue with the coach isn't going to be a huge factor. To me the situation isn't complicated, Tarasenko didn't like how his shoulder was handled, and he will most definitely not sign an extension here when his current deal is up. He's not the type of player that will become a cancer on the team, so I'd expect him to play out his contract and maximize his FA value if that's what it comes to. It'll be in our best interest to keep him for this season and move him in the summer to get a good return for him.

Keep him with Buchnevich and Barbie or Thomas, and I have no doubt that he'll be 30ish goals and 70ish points. That'll net a good return at the draft.

 

[Brian39]

As I’ve written a few times, Tarasenko’s lack of trust in the organization was the biggest factor in his requesting a trade, according to sources. But yes, I believe that from Tarasenko’s perspective, his relationship with Berube is not ideal. Why is that? I think a big part of it was Berube pushing Tarasenko to play better when Tarasenko didn’t think he was healthy enough to perform better, coming back from two shoulder surgeries he felt weren’t handled properly.

I bolded those to parts to emphasize that this seems to be all speculation from JR. The "according to sources" portion just refers to a lack of trust in the organization at large. While JR has written about this topic a lot, this is the first time that he has mentioned Berube specifically (in articles, I don't know about comments). There is nothing about this quote that suggests any sources have said Tarasenko has a problem with Berube and nothing about this indicates that Tarasenko voiced any health concerns to Berube.

It is possible that Tarasenko did voice these concerns to Berube (or to someone else who would have been reasonably expected to pass them along). It is possible that this conclusion is accurate. But this quote absolutely is informed speculation and not presented as reporting. Or he is doing his "well I can't actually report it because it was said off the record, but I can hint about what I was told" act again.

 

[BlueDream]

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong here but if that's true, that seems like a pretty easy issue to fix.

Berube's job as a head coach is to motivate players and coach who is in his lineup. He's not a doctor.

So if he's told Tarasenko is healthy enough to play, he should be coached just like any other player. If Tarasenko actually wasn't healthy enough to play, then that's on the team doctors, as well as Tarasenko to step up and make that known so he doesn't get put on the ice.

Just seems like a bizarre "issue" that shouldn't be that hard to handle with a little bit of communication. I'm sure they did communicate some obviously, but in that case I don't believe Tarasenko was upfront about how much his shoulder was bothering him.

 

[MissouriMook]

I bolded those to parts to emphasize that this seems to be all speculation from JR. The "according to sources" portion just refers to a lack of trust in the organization at large. While JR has written about this topic a lot, this is the first time that he has mentioned Berube specifically (in articles, I don't know about comments). There is nothing about this quote that suggests any sources have said Tarasenko has a problem with Berube and nothing about this indicates that Tarasenko voiced any health concerns to Berube.

It is possible that Tarasenko did voice these concerns to Berube (or to someone else who would have been reasonably expected to pass them along). It is possible that this conclusion is accurate. But this quote absolutely is informed speculation and not presented as reporting. Or he is doing his "well I can't actually report it because it was said off the record, but I can hint about what I was told" act again.

I seem to remember this past summer that someone was pushing the narrative that Tarasenko felt like his commitment was being questioned during the 2020 bubble because he was clearly limited and that someone in the organization had said to him (or to the media) that he needs to stop babying his shoulder and just play, when the player clearly felt that something still wasn't right. Maybe someone else out there has some context as to where this came from, and whether the comments were from the coaching staff or the front office.