I hope we lock him up for 8 years before he turns into a 1.5 PPG player, something like 5m/yr
Blues Trade Proposals 2021-2022 Part 1
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I hope we lock him up for 8 years before he turns into a 1.5 PPG player, something like 5m/yr
Kostin, Husso, Bolduc, and a 1st for chychrun.
In all reality i dont see how Arizona could get close to Thomas or Kryou.
If eichel who needed a serious neck surgery can fetch the haul he got than so should a healthy Vladi. Even if he never scores 40 again but is in the area of 30 goal that should get you 2 1st and an A level prospect..
In all reality i dont see how Arizona could get close to Thomas or Kryou.
If eichel who needed a serious neck surgery can fetch the haul he got than so should a healthy Vladi. Even if he never scores 40 again but is in the area of 30 goal that should get you 2 1st and an A level prospect..
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Imo it would be stupid move to trade Husso. He is taking right steps forward and is getting only better (hopefully) and we haven't seen his full ceiling yet. We knew he has toolbox to be successful, but now is question is can he resh that level and what it is. Currently it is back-up B level goaltender which is fine knowing what road he has gone. If he stabilizer to him as back-up goaltender I will say drafting him was right back then.
We need to know that Saros and Husso were that u-18 team goaltenderd back then and they were Finland's two go goaltender prospects. We have seen what Saros is capable so we could potentially see Husso reach that level too.
You hold that kind of player no matter what.
We need to know that Saros and Husso were that u-18 team goaltenderd back then and they were Finland's two go goaltender prospects. We have seen what Saros is capable so we could potentially see Husso reach that level too.
You hold that kind of player no matter what.
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If Chychrun is truly available then we should all in for him. Obviously within reason but I don't think anyone below Thomas and Kyrou should be off limits. Chychrun with Parayko would be perhaps the top pair in the NHL
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The only area in which the Blues have a surplus is goaltending. We have two outstanding prospects in the minors, Husso emerging as a back up, and Lindgren.
Does Arizona need a goalie?
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Yep. One of the keys to maintaining our current cap structure is a high-performing cheap backup goaltender. It sucks that Husso is a UFA at the end of the season, so if he performs well, then he might get a bigger opportunity for more money, but it's still very realistic that we are able to extend him on a very affordable deal to be a backup for 25-30 games a season.
I'm definitely not moving him while COVID is still a risk, having multiple quality goalies in the system will help us survive this season.
Problem is he is UFA after this season. If he is really that good we likely can’t afford him.
Methinks we are overrating Chycrun a wee bit. He is more Darnell Nurse than Chris Pronger. I’d love to have him, but at what cost?
News flash covid isnt going anywhere. There will always be a new strain.
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I agree, bit I'm not here to discuss that. Eventually we'll be at a point where players won't have to sit out, but that won't be this season, and that's why we need 3 or 4 quality goalies.
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I'm late to the Chychrun discussions, but I want the Blues to make a serious run at him. Our organization knows what Bill Armstrong values better than any other team around the league. That doesn't just mean that we know which one of our prospects he loves. We also know his (at the time) stance on every player drafted in 2020 (and earlier). And on top of that we should have a deep understanding of the type of player he values. There is no organization better positioned to create a package of players that fit Bill Armstrong's image of a great young player and that is before you even factor in that we have a number of guys who would have been "his" selection. I have zero interest in moving Thomas/Kyrou. They were untouchable for ROR and have only increased their value since. However, any other sub-24 player in the organization would be in the table for Chychrun if I were Army. Chychrun doesn't perfectly fit the mold of what our blueline needs, but he is good enough fit and comes in at a fantastic AAV and term. He's not a shutdown guy, but I think it is very fair to call him a solid 2 way guy.
I'm not wild about putting trade packages together, but I do think that Perunovich would be a very appealing piece for Arizona. They have absolutely zero intention of winning hockey games this year (and probably next year). They are in a perfect spot to feed him PP time and low-pressure minutes for him to make mistakes while he learns the defensive side of the game on the fly. Perunovich has 4 more years of RFA status and no arbitration rights this year. He is the perfect age to develop into a guy who will be actualized (and somewhat cost controlled) as they exit a rebuild. Or they can pump up his stats for a couple years, get him on a reasonable medium-term deal and then use him as a trade chip like they might do with Chychrun.
I'm also curious if this is an opportunity to resolve the Tarasenko trade request. If you have a deal that includes Tarasenko, then you can take it to him and see what his thoughts are about waiving the NTC to go to Arizona. I doubt he waives straight away, but I think there is value to the conversation. One, you can loop Bill Armstrong in to the talk to assure Tarasenko that his intention would be to flip him by the start of next season at the latest. More importantly, if Tarasenko still refuses then you can use that refusal in a couple ways. It can open the door to a productive conversation about whether Tarasenko has reconsidered things given the team success and the awesomeness of our Russians. And if he hasn't, it can help with the PR game down the line. Next time his agent tries to play games in the media, the team comment can truthfully be "we had a trade in place and he refused to waive the NTC." I hope it doesn't come to that, but it is a nice thing to have in your pocket for PR reasons and to show players around the league that we tried to honor the request.
I haven't watched Kessel to know whether his statistical downtick is because he lost a step or because no one in Arizona can get him the puck. If our staff thinks he could be an effective PP and 3rd line guy, he is probably the best mid-season Tarasenko "replacement" that we can reasonably expect if Tarasenko is used to improve the D. Chychrun and Kessel (with 50% retained) is $8M against the cap. A trade centered around Tarasenko and Perunovich for Chychrun and Kessel could actually provide a net cap savings of $425k. We have no idea how willing Army is to take the forward downgrade mid-season or how much Tarasenko is still lobbying to get out behind the scenes. But it is an intriguing layer to any pitch we make for Chychrun.
Given the organizational history/relationship with Bill Armstrong, I think that we can put together a very competitive package for Chychrun without gutting the futures cupboard or the current roster. He is a good short-term solution to a problem on our blue line and his contract fits the medium-term cap structure. A top 4 of Parayko, Chychrun, Faulk, and Krug for $24.1M is doable over the next 3+ seasons. Scandella would need to be moved by the start of next season, but Mikkola is a cost-controlled asset for the next year or two and then you're just talking about needing to round out your bottom pair with a cheap Bortz or Bortz-like contract.
This has a chance to be that final move Army needs to make to compete his vision of a death by a thousand cuts blueline where you don't have an elite #1 but you have three #1/2 tweeners plus an elite PP guy. We have to plan on Faulk, Parayko, and Krug to be here through the 2024/25 season. They each have full NTCs through at least that season, so any discussion around building the blue line needs to account for their $19.5M combined AAV for each of the next 3 seasons. I genuinely don't see a better option to round out the blue line than Chychrun at $4.6M during that entire stretch. Better D men are going to cost too much against the cap. If Mikkola overtakes Chychrun, then Chychrun's limited trade protection makes him moveable to fit a raise. The cost will be high to get him, but it is a 3.5 year solution. I think Army needs to be making an aggressive bid here.
I'm not wild about putting trade packages together, but I do think that Perunovich would be a very appealing piece for Arizona. They have absolutely zero intention of winning hockey games this year (and probably next year). They are in a perfect spot to feed him PP time and low-pressure minutes for him to make mistakes while he learns the defensive side of the game on the fly. Perunovich has 4 more years of RFA status and no arbitration rights this year. He is the perfect age to develop into a guy who will be actualized (and somewhat cost controlled) as they exit a rebuild. Or they can pump up his stats for a couple years, get him on a reasonable medium-term deal and then use him as a trade chip like they might do with Chychrun.
I'm also curious if this is an opportunity to resolve the Tarasenko trade request. If you have a deal that includes Tarasenko, then you can take it to him and see what his thoughts are about waiving the NTC to go to Arizona. I doubt he waives straight away, but I think there is value to the conversation. One, you can loop Bill Armstrong in to the talk to assure Tarasenko that his intention would be to flip him by the start of next season at the latest. More importantly, if Tarasenko still refuses then you can use that refusal in a couple ways. It can open the door to a productive conversation about whether Tarasenko has reconsidered things given the team success and the awesomeness of our Russians. And if he hasn't, it can help with the PR game down the line. Next time his agent tries to play games in the media, the team comment can truthfully be "we had a trade in place and he refused to waive the NTC." I hope it doesn't come to that, but it is a nice thing to have in your pocket for PR reasons and to show players around the league that we tried to honor the request.
I haven't watched Kessel to know whether his statistical downtick is because he lost a step or because no one in Arizona can get him the puck. If our staff thinks he could be an effective PP and 3rd line guy, he is probably the best mid-season Tarasenko "replacement" that we can reasonably expect if Tarasenko is used to improve the D. Chychrun and Kessel (with 50% retained) is $8M against the cap. A trade centered around Tarasenko and Perunovich for Chychrun and Kessel could actually provide a net cap savings of $425k. We have no idea how willing Army is to take the forward downgrade mid-season or how much Tarasenko is still lobbying to get out behind the scenes. But it is an intriguing layer to any pitch we make for Chychrun.
Given the organizational history/relationship with Bill Armstrong, I think that we can put together a very competitive package for Chychrun without gutting the futures cupboard or the current roster. He is a good short-term solution to a problem on our blue line and his contract fits the medium-term cap structure. A top 4 of Parayko, Chychrun, Faulk, and Krug for $24.1M is doable over the next 3+ seasons. Scandella would need to be moved by the start of next season, but Mikkola is a cost-controlled asset for the next year or two and then you're just talking about needing to round out your bottom pair with a cheap Bortz or Bortz-like contract.
This has a chance to be that final move Army needs to make to compete his vision of a death by a thousand cuts blueline where you don't have an elite #1 but you have three #1/2 tweeners plus an elite PP guy. We have to plan on Faulk, Parayko, and Krug to be here through the 2024/25 season. They each have full NTCs through at least that season, so any discussion around building the blue line needs to account for their $19.5M combined AAV for each of the next 3 seasons. I genuinely don't see a better option to round out the blue line than Chychrun at $4.6M during that entire stretch. Better D men are going to cost too much against the cap. If Mikkola overtakes Chychrun, then Chychrun's limited trade protection makes him moveable to fit a raise. The cost will be high to get him, but it is a 3.5 year solution. I think Army needs to be making an aggressive bid here.
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Just looking at the cap, it seems like we would need to ship out Barbashev and Sundqvist to trade for Chychrun. Those two could be appealing to Arizona because they are both UFAs after next season, so the Coyotes would have two trade deadlines with an offseason in between to deal them for futures. Obviously we would need to add big value in terms of picks/prospects to make it worthwhile for Arizona, but the value added by Barby and Sunny is probably more appealing than the cap dumps other teams would need to send the other way.
Losing Barby and Sunny hurts, but we keep calling up depth forwards who contribute and our forward core looks good to me even without them once Perron, Thomas, and Schenn are back.
Losing Barby and Sunny hurts, but we keep calling up depth forwards who contribute and our forward core looks good to me even without them once Perron, Thomas, and Schenn are back.
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I'm not so sure about that, @Brian39.
DA, BA & Tarasenko/agent agreeing to something like that sounds collusive (almost tampering, but I may be off in my understanding of this). Also, BA could lose significant leverage in Tarasenko flip-trade discussions. Then again, maybe it won't matter and a GM will do whatever it takes to get Vladi.
I still think a 3-way with an Eastern team, like NJ, is the way to go.
As far as Krug, Faulk and Parayko???? Yes. We have to count on them being here for a while.
DA, BA & Tarasenko/agent agreeing to something like that sounds collusive (almost tampering, but I may be off in my understanding of this). Also, BA could lose significant leverage in Tarasenko flip-trade discussions. Then again, maybe it won't matter and a GM will do whatever it takes to get Vladi.
I still think a 3-way with an Eastern team, like NJ, is the way to go.
As far as Krug, Faulk and Parayko???? Yes. We have to count on them being here for a while.
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If you trade Scandella in the deal, you absolutely DON'T have to trade Barby or Sunny. And trading Barby right now is insane. If anything, he's playing himself into becoming a core piece. The guy just turned 26, for crying out loud.
Further, if you're trading for Chychrun, you have to get rid of a current top 6 D man - otherwise, you're benching Mikkola when he needs/deserves time, or Bortz when the lineup needs his steadiness and leadership by example.
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No one would be tampering. We would be giving permission for Tarasenko to talk to the Coyotes as part of his decision to waive his NTC. There is no collusion for Arizona to tell Tarasenko "look, we're clearly rebuilding. We're not interested in acquiring you just for you to play 100+ fully meaningless games here. We would be acquiring you with the intention of flipping you to a playoff team." The Yotes would have no interest in acquiring Tarasenko without knowing where he'd be willing to go and Tarasenko has no interest in going to Arizona to play out the remainder of his deal. It would be a move done to get him away from a team he has asked to be traded from and there is nothing at all against the rules to have that discussion. I don't think Tarasenko would go for that (I wouldn't if I were him), but the conversation is 100% within the rules. Last season Nick Foligno had to waive a trade clause to get traded to SJ (who retained salary) and then again to get traded from SJ to the Leafs. There is no chance that he didn't have a chance to discuss the matter with everyone involved when he made the decision to waive his trade protection. It's no different than granting a team permission to talk extension.
I agree that a 3 way deal would make things cleaner, but those often take time and are more difficult to pull off. Arizona may feel that they could get more value for Tarasenko at the deadline than they could get by simply eating some of his money right now. If that's the case, it makes sense to try and get a Chychrun deal done ASAP while assuring Tarasenko that he isn't going to get stuck in the desert (or wherever the hell the Yotes are next year).
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Thank you for the explanation. Tampering and collusion are two concepts that I don't understand when it comes to the NHL.
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Honestly, if BA wants Barbashev as the main piece for JC, I'm driving him to the airport myself. Barbashev is having a great season, he really is. But he's the classic case of the guy putting up crazy big numbers that one time in his career. He's got the Olympics and UFA looming and he's clearly motived, which is great for us. But most of his underlying metrics are not pretty. And just think about it - is he really the guy driving his line? I'd argue no, it's been Thomas (Until he was hurt) and now it's Buch (Who has been easily our best all-around forward [player?]) this year.
A package of Barbashev, pick any prospect, and a 1st would be a f***ing steal. Throw in Scandella if you need to make the cap balance, or throw in another asset like a future second if Arizona is willing to retain (Now wouldn't that be a coup lol)
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The asking price for Chychrun is apparently the same as what Eichel got. If so. Scandella (cap dump), Kostin (Tuch), Neighbors (Krebs), 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick.
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Tuch is/was worth more than Kostin. But I would argue Eichel is worth more than Chychrun even with his health issues. Is Neighbours worth the same as Krebs?
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Uh yeah thats not the same value.
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