Blues Discussion Thread 2018-2019

[Xanadude]

I would be unhappy too, But if it meant that we could to keep Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou for our future then maybe it's worth it. I don't think the trades are there that we want to make without giving up one of those two.

Oh yeah, I agree on that point. I mean, in a perfect world we turn some combo of third liners and B prospects into a 2/3C as well.

I'll be a bit more specific: If other 2/3C targets get moved for reasonable prices and Army sits on his thumbs and signs Maroon and calls it a day, I'll be seeing red.

 

[Dbrownss]

Oh yeah, I agree on that point. I mean, in a perfect world we turn some combo of third liners and B prospects into a 2/3C as well.

I'll be a bit more specific: If other 2/3C targets get moved for reasonable prices and Army sits on his thumbs and signs Maroon and calls it a day, I'll be seeing red.

It doesn't really work like that though. A team will want certain players or picks from different teams. If it comes out that Armstrong wouldn't move Berglund+Barbashev+1st for ROR....then we riot

 

[brokeu91]

It doesn't really work like that though. A team will want certain players or picks from different teams. If it comes out that Armstrong wouldn't move Berglund+Barbashev+1st for ROR....then we riot

I think if that's all that they were asking, ROR would be a Blue now. I'm guessing they want one of either Kyrou or Thomas another prospect and a 1st round pick or Parayko. I wouldn't be happy with either of those trades.

 

[Dbrownss]

I think if that's all that they were asking, ROR would be a Blue now. I'm guessing they want one of either Kyrou or Thomas another prospect and a 1st round pick or Parayko. I wouldn't be happy with either of those trades.

Right, that's what I'm getting at. The trades wont be viewed as favorable to Stl. Buffalo holds the cards in that trade

 

[BlueDream]

So can people stop saying Maroon has said he doesn't want to play here? As far as I know that's never been confirmed and it's obviously false now that it's being reported both sides have mutual interest. Plus with his son being here, I highly doubt he'd let anything stop him from being able to see him more.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Call me crazy but I'd be happy if we signed Maroon, offloaded some passenger vets, and played our kids this year.

I don't want to trade any of our high potential youth.

Plus I like the fact that Maroon is from here and would likely want to play in front of his family.

I grow weary of hired guns who have no passion or "all in" mentally and just want the lifestyle and paycheck.

 

[Xerloris]

If I see Maroon in our top 6 for more than a couple games barring a significant injury, I am done with this team. If we pay Maroon more than Berglund which is rumored, I am done with this team. We keep saying we need to get faster, we need to get faster, yet we are only linked to slower players, Maroon being by far the worst of them. Armstrong cannot sign a difference maker in free agency unless the player is super-UTR (Brodziak/Elliott) or is a no-brainer (Stastny). So he keeps going to what is simple. "Maroon is from St. Louis, we can maybe actually get a meeting with him. We don't need his skill set at all, but at least fans won't think I'm not doing my job. Hey fans, I don't know why we are struggling, we brought in Perron, Thorburn and Maroon over the last 3 off-seasons."

isn't Maroon a gritty drive to the net type player? because we definitely need that skill set.

 

[Zamadoo]

isn't Maroon a gritty drive to the net type player? because we definitely need that skill set.

I'm imagining Maroon-Thomas-Fabbri as a line.

 

[MissouriMook]

So when we trade for O'Reilly, what number do you think Soshnikov switches to? He wore 41 and 26 for Toronto. Too soon for 26? Too soon to bring this up at all?

 

[Oberyn]

I honestly don't mind Maroon as a player, but he's just not necessary unless we're offloading at least one of Berglund or Sobotka.

 

[Alklha]

I honestly don't mind Maroon as a player, but he's just not necessary unless we're offloading at least one of Berglund or Sobotka.

I'd hope that it would be both. Schwartz, Steen & Fabbri are already LW'ers, then Soshnikov and Jaškin are fourthliners that can cover there.

I understand that Maroon has personal reasons that mean he would like to be here, but it would need to be a discount. He could probably get $12m over 3 years on the open market.

 

[bleedblue1223]

So when we trade for O'Reilly, what number do you think Soshnikov switches to? He wore 41 and 26 for Toronto. Too soon for 26? Too soon to bring this up at all?

ROR probably goes back to his preferred #9.

 

[Majorityof1]

I'd imagine if we got Maroon, it would be a pretty team-friendly deal. If we were able to move Sobotka/Berglund, and get a team friendly deal, it would work out IMO. He's a quality possession player, so it's not like he's a scrub that only gets garbage points. Wouldn't be ideal, but there are definite scenarios where it wouldn't be a bad move.

Seems like a lateral move to me. Bergland and Sobotka are both good possession players, both 30-40 point ability. Maroon is probably a little better offesnviely, but he's worse defensively and for roster flexibility since he can't play C. Also, Berglund can go full on "Angry Sweede" and be a force for 10 or so games a year. Maroon will never ever drive the play. Unless we gain significant cap savings, shorter term on contract or a decent return on the player we move, I don't see the point. A lateral move isn't going to solve our problems at all.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Seems like a lateral move to me. Bergland and Sobotka are both good possession players, both 30-40 point ability. Maroon is probably a little better offesnviely, but he's worse defensively and for roster flexibility since he can't play C. Also, Berglund can go full on "Angry Sweede" and be a force for 10 or so games a year. Maroon will never ever drive the play. Unless we gain significant cap savings, shorter term on contract or a decent return on the player we move, I don't see the point. A lateral move isn't going to solve our problems at all.

For sure lateral, but a change is a change. If we can upgrade the contract over Bergy or Sobotka, it's a win.

 

[Mike Liut]

I think id rather just sign Stastny for 3 yrs @ 7 mill per yr than trade Kyrou + Dunn + ? for ROR.

 

[Dbrownss]

Seems like a lateral move to me. Bergland and Sobotka are both good possession players, both 30-40 point ability. Maroon is probably a little better offesnviely, but he's worse defensively and for roster flexibility since he can't play C. Also, Berglund can go full on "Angry Sweede" and be a force for 10 or so games a year. Maroon will never ever drive the play. Unless we gain significant cap savings, shorter term on contract or a decent return on the player we move, I don't see the point. A lateral move isn't going to solve our problems at all.

I hate the idea of getting him but MAYBE he'll inject some pride playing for Stl into the room. Having said that....I dont know if he was a childhood Blues fan.


I'm scrapping the bottom of the barrel for positives

 

[EastonBlues22]

I think id rather just sign Stastny for 3 yrs @ 7 mill per yr than trade Kyrou + Dunn + ? for ROR.

Hell, I'd rather sign Bozak than make that trade. Probably would rather just run with Steen at center, too.

 

[Dbrownss]

Hell, I'd rather sign Bozak than make that trade. Probably would rather just run with Steen at center, too.

Hopefully Doug doesn't get desperate

 

[EastonBlues22]

Seems like a lateral move to me. Bergland and Sobotka are both good possession players, both 30-40 point ability. Maroon is probably a little better offesnviely, but he's worse defensively and for roster flexibility since he can't play C. Also, Berglund can go full on "Angry Sweede" and be a force for 10 or so games a year. Maroon will never ever drive the play. Unless we gain significant cap savings, shorter term on contract or a decent return on the player we move, I don't see the point. A lateral move isn't going to solve our problems at all.

I could see swapping out Sobotka for Maroon as a viable short-term strategy to alter the texture of the lines that can be put together, but having all three of Sobotka, Berglund, and Maroon under contract here at the start of the season should not be a consideration, IMO.

Beyond this year, things get kind of messy really fast. What's the point of acquiring/targeting guys like Sanford and Foley in trades if you're going to block them by perpetually clogging your roster with bottom 6 vets? Something is going to have to give, and it would be kind of a **** move to trade Maroon one year into his deal given why he likely would have signed here in the first place.

 

[carter333167]

Read Blanick's write-ups on Kyrou at camp and maybe we can put some of the trade proposals to rest for a bit.

 

[David Dennison]

I'd imagine if we got Maroon, it would be a pretty team-friendly deal. If we were able to move Sobotka/Berglund, and get a team friendly deal, it would work out IMO. He's a quality possession player, so it's not like he's a scrub that only gets garbage points. Wouldn't be ideal, but there are definite scenarios where it wouldn't be a bad move.

I don't understand the logic that removing Sobotka or Berglund and adding Maroon makes this team any better.

And I'm not necessarily against signing Maroon, our cap situation is stable enough for the next 3 years that it won't stop us from acquiring O'Reilly or another big $$$ player.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I don't understand the logic that removing Sobotka or Berglund and adding Maroon makes this team any better.

And I'm not necessarily against signing Maroon, our cap situation is stable enough for the next 3 years that it won't stop us from acquiring O'Reilly or another big $$$ player.

Not saying we'd be better, it would be a lateral move.

 

[Majorityof1]

Read Blanick's write-ups on Kyrou at camp and maybe we can put some of the trade proposals to rest for a bit.

Did he get a chance to play against NHL quality players in prospect camp yet? Cause until he does, its not new info. Its also been reported that his defense and effort level without the puck is pretty bad at prospect camp. Again, not new information.

 

[simon IC]

I would say Berglund > Maroon > Sobotka. All three would be a disaster. If I get to choose one, it's Berglund.

 

[carter333167]

Did he get a chance to play against NHL quality players in prospect camp yet? Cause until he does, its not new info. Its also been reported that his defense and effort level without the puck is pretty bad at prospect camp. Again, not new information.

He'll get his chance in a few months. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.