Blues Discussion Thread 2018-2019

[Oberyn]

I'd rather give the opportunity to Schmaltz than Edmundson. He moves puck quickly, and his hockey IQ in the offensive zone has impressed me on more than several occasions.

 

[David Dennison]

I'd rather give the opportunity to Schmaltz than Edmundson. He moves puck quickly, and his hockey IQ in the offensive zone has impressed me on more than several occasions.

Yeah, Im not buying that Edmundson has some kind of untapped offensive potential. He has a decent shot, but that is too easy to neutralize by itself. We need more guys who can create space on our PP.

 

[BlueDream]

The funny thing about hockey is that Schmaltz will have to actually crack the starting lineup before he can be put on the Powerplay.

 

[David Dennison]

The funny thing about hockey is that Schmaltz will have to actually crack the starting lineup before he can be put on the Powerplay.

Yeah and I have concerns that he can stay healthy, he looks and plays small out there.

 

[BlueDream]

Yeah and I have concerns that he can stay healthy, he looks and plays small out there.

I haven't seen as much from him as the people who say they have.

I hope he succeeds, but he still has to earn a roster spot. And I think Bortuzzo does a solid job behind Petro and Parayko. I wouldn't mind him playing on the left side but that won't happen if Bouw/Gunnar are still here. It's an uphill battle for Schmaltz but a trade is also a possibility.

 

[Celtic Note]

ROR is a 60pt guy, Stastny was pretty much that if he could of played 82. He also works the puck the same way Stastny did. Below the hashmarks and cycle, at least from what I remember in Colorado and the 2 games a year I watch Buffalo. He's the same style player. This wouldn't be some massive boost in offense.

Since 2014, Stastny has averaged 53 points over 82 gp projected. ROR has average 62 in the same span. Ten points isn’t exactly nothing.

 

[Dbrownss]

Since 2014, Stastny has averaged 53 points over 82 gp projected. ROR has average 62 in the same span. Ten points isn’t exactly nothing.

It ain't worth Vince Dunn.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I'd do it, but ya'll already know that

 

[Celtic Note]

As I sa

It ain't worth Vince Dunn.

As I said before, I wouldn’t trade him for ROR. I am just saying he is quite a bit better than Stastny at this point in their careers.

 

[Dbrownss]

As I sa

As I said before, I wouldn’t trade him for ROR. I am just saying he is quite a bit better than Stastny at this point in their careers.

I don't see that as quite a bit better, just better. I don't want to argue with semantics though. My overall point was, we've seen what a Stastny/Orielly bring to the team. While it's better then nothing, it's not something that's going to push the Blues forward. Just keep thing doing what they are doing. Solid, but not enough. Then you compound that by removing Dunn and it gets worse

 

[Mike Liut]

I don't see that as quite a bit better, just better. I don't want to argue with semantics though. My overall point was, we've seen what a Stastny/Orielly bring to the team. While it's better then nothing, it's not something that's going to push the Blues forward. Just keep thing doing what they are doing. Solid, but not enough. Then you compound that by removing Dunn and it gets worse

I wouldn’t say worse because of Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin and TT nearly ready and hopefully Fabbri will return to form. That’s potentially a HUGE influx of talent

 

[Dbrownss]

I wouldn’t say worse because of Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin and TT nearly ready and hopefully Fabbri will return to form. That’s potentially a HUGE influx of talent

I would still be against it, we'd see the defense isolated to the right side and breakouts broke down. I'd be happy to add ROR but I wouldn't stray outside of the "agreed" available assets.

 

[Celtic Note]

If you don’t think 10 points is much, then we are completely Taveras or bust. No other player will be enough.

Thomas might become an ROR, so he won’t be enough either.

10 points is the difference between the best year Backes had and the amount of points Schenn had this year. Another way to look at it is that it was the difference between Ovechkin vs William Karlsson this regular season. Or having Schwartz for 11 more games.

Schwartz was on pace for 78 points. One hell of a year from him by the way. Hopefully we see Schwartz and Schenn do that again!

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

I like Vince Dunn a lot, I think he had a terrific rookie season and will continue to improve, buuuut... I also sort of don’t get the dramatic sense of attachment some posters feel towards him at the same time?

If the price for O’Reilly is *just* Dunn and a 1st, I think you have to take that, and my feelings about hanging onto prospects and picks are fairly well established (lol).

Idk, maybe somebody can explain to me why Dunn is so untouchable. The hype is approaching Parayko levels, and already people are starting to sour on him so idk why they necessarily expect Dunn to be different. He will suffer setbacks, go through the sophomore slump, and come out better for it on the other side, and I’m not sure that people’s opinions of him today will survive the season when that happens, and then the talk will be about how dumb Army was to hang onto Dunn when we had a 1C within our grasp.

We also don’t need to even have the conversation if Tavares happens. Then it’s obvious that you hang onto Dunn, and be happy for the privilege. But if push comes to shove... maybe I don’t mind using him as a trade chip for O’Reilly. Everybody seems to be clamoring for the home run this summer, and well that would be one for sure

 

[Mike Liut]

I like Vince Dunn a lot, I think he had a terrific rookie season and will continue to improve, buuuut... I also sort of don’t get the dramatic sense of attachment some posters feel towards him at the same time?

If the price for O’Reilly is *just* Dunn and a 1st, I think you have to take that, and my feelings about hanging onto prospects and picks are fairly well established (lol).

Idk, maybe somebody can explain to me why Dunn is so untouchable. The hype is approaching Parayko levels, and already people are starting to sour on him so idk why they necessarily expect Dunn to be different. He will suffer setbacks, go through the sophomore slump, and come out better for it on the other side, and I’m not sure that people’s opinions of him today will survive the season when that happens, and then the talk will be about how dumb Army was to hang onto Dunn when we had a 1C within our grasp.

We also don’t need to even have the conversation if Tavares happens. Then it’s obvious that you hang onto Dunn, and be happy for the privilege. But if push comes to shove... maybe I don’t mind using him as a trade chip for O’Reilly. Everybody seems to be clamoring for the home run this summer, and well that would be one for sure

What if Dunn becomes Duncan Keith, do you still make that trade?

 

[Mike Liut]

I would still be against it, we'd see the defense isolated to the right side and breakouts broke down. I'd be happy to add ROR but I wouldn't stray outside of the "agreed" available assets.

What is your offer for ROR?

 

[Zamadoo]

I like Vince Dunn a lot, I think he had a terrific rookie season and will continue to improve, buuuut... I also sort of don’t get the dramatic sense of attachment some posters feel towards him at the same time?

This was the beginning of my sense of attachment for Dunn. Dude has killer instinct unlike anything we've seen on this team as far as skilled players are concerned.

 

[Dbrownss]

What is your offer for ROR?

Nothing, because he realistically isn't available

 

[Dbrownss]

If you don’t think 10 points is much, then we are completely Taveras or bust. No other player will be enough.

Thomas might become an ROR, so he won’t be enough either.

10 points is the difference between the best year Backes had and the amount of points Schenn had this year. Another way to look at it is that it was the difference between Ovechkin vs William Karlsson this regular season. Or having Schwartz for 11 more games.

Schwartz was on pace for 78 points. One hell of a year from him by the way. Hopefully we see Schwartz and Schenn do that again!

Once again, I'd be happy to add ROR and maybe with the youth pushing the veterans, we have a breakout similar to 15/16. Except to get ROR, your going to subtract from that. There isn't a guy to replace Dunn that I see.

 

[BlueDream]

Nothing, because he realistically isn't available

I see people say this, what's it based on?

Because even reliable reporters like McKenzie are saying they think there's a good chance he'll get traded.

But on our board there's still this narrative that he's not even remotely on the block. That's not true.

 

[The Note in MI]

I see people say this, what's it based on?

Because even reliable reporters like McKenzie are saying they think there's a good chance he'll get traded.

But on our board there's still this narrative that he's not even remotely on the block. That's not true.

If I remember the timing correctly talks of his availability were prior to Buffalo winning the lottery and the opportunity to draft a defenseman touted as a generational talent.

 

[Dbrownss]

I see people say this, what's it based on?

Because even reliable reporters like McKenzie are saying they think there's a good chance he'll get traded.

But on our board there's still this narrative that he's not even remotely on the block. That's not true.

It doesn't make sense. Their 2c is either a kid or Larsson if ROR is moved. That's not a recipe for taking a step forward

 

[Renard]

I hope the Blues hang on to Dunn, at least
until they give Thomas and Kyrou a chance to play in the NHL.

Dunn has rare skill in gaining the zone on the power play. Lets keep him around until we have some forwards who can help put the puck in the net. Then his full value will be realized.

 

[Majorityof1]

It doesn't make sense. Their 2c is either a kid or Larsson if ROR is moved. That's not a recipe for taking a step forward

Teams do things that don't make sense all the time. You aren't privy to the internal goings-on of the Sabers. He obviously was frustrated publicly with how the season ended and playing for a bottom-dweller. Maybe that frustration is amplified privately. Or maybe the Sabres want to rebuild, or have an internal cap and want to go after a different free agent or any number of things you don't know. Or maybe they are just dumb. Whatever the case, he is strongly rumored to be available. Dismissing him out of hand, repeatedly, does nothing to further any conversation. When discussing any free agent, or trade target, it comes with the obvious caveat of "if he is available" or "if he has even the slightest interest in signing with us". Tavares may be waiting to sign in NYI until they can hold a big press conference with the new head coach, or whatever reason. Point being, he may not be available at all. But why dismiss someone who wants to talk about "what if" he is available and "what if" he wuill sign here. There are always things we can't know that effects a player's availability, but all it takes for Army to find out is a phone call. I would call for Army's head if guys that are rumored to be available like RoR or Kessel move for cheap and Army doesn't even kick the tires.

 

[Dbrownss]

Teams do things that don't make sense all the time. You aren't privy to the internal goings-on of the Sabers. He obviously was frustrated publicly with how the season ended and playing for a bottom-dweller. Maybe that frustration is amplified privately. Or maybe the Sabres want to rebuild, or have an internal cap and want to go after a different free agent or any number of things you don't know. Or maybe they are just dumb. Whatever the case, he is strongly rumored to be available. Dismissing him out of hand, repeatedly, does nothing to further any conversation. When discussing any free agent, or trade target, it comes with the obvious caveat of "if he is available" or "if he has even the slightest interest in signing with us". Tavares may be waiting to sign in NYI until they can hold a big press conference with the new head coach, or whatever reason. Point being, he may not be available at all. But why dismiss someone who wants to talk about "what if" he is available and "what if" he wuill sign here. There are always things we can't know that effects a player's availability, but all it takes for Army to find out is a phone call. I would call for Army's head if guys that are rumored to be available like RoR or Kessel move for cheap and Army doesn't even kick the tires.

It is my personal take on the situation, once they won the 1st OA, that changes things. Beyond that though, argument devolved into "you wouldn't even make an underpayment" for him. I take a firm stance in not digging a hole to fill a hole. I have said that I dont think hes really available but not to the annoying level some have with other targets. I've tried to keep it to arguing removing Dunn isnt a step in the right direction for ROR.