Blues Discussion Thread 2018-2019

[LetsGoBooze]

In struggling to get what this has to do with it and why Boumeester is relevant to Dunn. Because Bouwmeester as the Blues know him isn't close to what Dunn is

When we traded for Bouw he was a top pairing LD. Bouw has accomplished a lot more in his career than Dunn thus far. Im high on Dunn, but you got to pump the brakes a lil.

Also, part of my point was since Bouw has been here there hasn't been a need on the Left side to fill a hole so we never needed to aquire top 4 LD. Yes, we've added more centers over the years, however its cause there is a perpetual need for Cs that we can never seem to fill. A top 6 C still holds a lot more value then a top 4 D.

 

[Dbrownss]

When we traded for Bouw he was a top pairing LD. Bouw has accomplished a lot more in his career than Dunn thus far. Im high on Dunn, but you got to pump the brakes a lil.

Boumeester dropped fast, and does not posses the same offensive instincts as Dunn. There's no breaks to pump on this topic, I'm talking about style.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Boumeester dropped fast, and does not posses the same offensive instincts as Dunn. There's no breaks to pump on this topic, I'm talking about style.

So for the record if we don't land Tavares, you wouldn't trade Dunn and #29 overall for ROR?

 

[Dbrownss]

So for the record if we don't land Tavares, you wouldn't trade Dunn and #29 overall for ROR?

For the record, no.

 

[The Note in MI]

IMO Dunn is more untouchable than Edmundson and Parayko. He is the kind of player that we need to score more goals. We don’t have a replacement for his type of play. It’s too important IMO.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

He is the kind of player that we need to score more goals. .

You know what kind of players help score more goals? Top 6 Cs, more so then a puck moving Dman.... lol.

 

[The Note in MI]

As has been mentioned, moving for ROR prior to the UFA deadline would be a poor decision as it takes away our flexibility.

 

[Dbrownss]

You know what kind of players help score more goals? Top 6 Cs, more so then a puck moving Dman.... lol.

Sure, but why remove a point producing dman for Stastny 2.0.

 

[Dbrownss]

When we traded for Bouw he was a top pairing LD. Bouw has accomplished a lot more in his career than Dunn thus far. Im high on Dunn, but you got to pump the brakes a lil.

Also, part of my point was since Bouw has been here there hasn't been a need on the Left side to fill a hole so we never needed to aquire top 4 LD. Yes, we've added more centers over the years, however its cause there is a perpetual need for Cs that we can never seem to fill. A top 6 C still holds a lot more value then a top 4 D.

That's because the Blues drafted for the position.... they were very bullish on Edmundson and Dunn. Granted Dunn was quite a few years down the road compared to Eddy. It doesn't make sense to dig a hole to try and fill a hole. The Blues have needed a legit offensive threat/puck move from the left side for a long time. Boumeester has been the best they've had and he wasnt much to write home about.

 

[David Dennison]

As has been mentioned, moving for ROR prior to the UFA deadline would be a poor decision as it takes away our flexibility.

I disagree, if we go after ROR, that is a long term move that locks the top of our roster in for the next few years. I don't think that short term flexibility should factor into our decision making in a move for him.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I disagree, if we go after ROR, that is a long term move that locks the top of our roster in for the next few years. I don't think that short term flexibility should factor into our decision making in a move for him.

Agreed David, also if we accomplished this before Free agency it would be beneficial as we could look for a UFA vet to help replace some of Dunn's minutes. While also exploring follow up trades with other teams

 

[LetsGoBooze]

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[shpongle falls]

I respectfully disagree with trading Dunn, even for a quality player like ROR. I think it'd be a huge mistake trading him, he showed way too much poise, skill, and moxie for such a young rookie defenseman this year. He's gonna get better and be a cheap assest the next few years and we should hang on to him, we need more offense from the left side of the defense.

Unless we can get Tavares I'd be very open to just re-signing Stastny if he would take a reasonable 3 year contract or something along those lines. Wouldn't be very exciting but it saves us assets to trade for a scoring winger instead which should be hypothetically easier than to trade for a center. O'Rielly would be awesome here though I bet.

 

[Celtic Note]

I respectfully disagree with trading Dunn, even for a quality player like ROR. I think it'd be a huge mistake trading him, he showed way too much poise, skill, and moxie for such a young rookie defenseman this year. He's gonna get better and be a cheap assest the next few years and we should hang on to him, we need more offense from the left side of the defense.

Unless we can get Tavares I'd be very open to just re-signing Stastny if he would take a reasonable 3 year contract or something along those lines. Wouldn't be very exciting but it saves us assets to trade for a scoring winger instead which should be hypothetically easier than to trade for a center. O'Rielly would be awesome here though I bet.

Dunn has a lot of room for growth and I think he can make those strides, but similar things were said about Parayko and he isn’t there yet. Just something to ponder.

 

[simon IC]

So for the record if we don't land Tavares, you wouldn't trade Dunn and #29 overall for ROR?

Once again, Buffalo would not accept Dunn and the 29th OA for ROR. ROR would cost much more than that.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Once again, Buffalo would not accept Dunn and the 29th OA for ROR. ROR would cost much more than that.

That was part of my point. It would be a steal for the Blues at that price and some fans would turn in down cause they get so attached to our own. I'm well aware it would cost more, no need for the reminder.

 

[simon IC]

That was part of my point. It would be a steal for the Blues at that price and some fans would turn in down cause they get so attached to our own. I'm well aware it would cost more, no need for the reminder.

My post sounded a bit too terse. My apologies. I get what you are saying, that some of our posters are so attached to our prospects that they wouldn't even include them in a package. And you are correct, Dunn and a 1st for ROR would be a steal. We would still have to replace Dunn, however, and I don't see that as being as easy as some posters have suggested.

 

[Dbrownss]

My post sounded a bit too terse. My apologies. I get what you are saying, that some of our posters are so attached to our prospects that they wouldn't even include them in a package. And you are correct, Dunn and a 1st for ROR would be a steal. We would still have to replace Dunn, however, and I don't see that as being as easy as some posters have suggested.

Exactly. If guys like Dunn were easy to get, we would of had one before Dunn. The Blues left side has been deep but weak. Now its finally looking to be a strength with NHL talent and prospect depth. The Blues have enough futures to get forward help without dipping into the "core" roster. Hypothetical or not, the trade one step forward, 2 steps back. As good as ROR is, he plays like Stastny did....more of the same

 

[Stealth JD]

Sure, but why remove a point producing dman for Stastny 2.0.

Because Stastny 1.0 was traded to Winnipeg and the Blue are very much in the market for a Top-6 C.

Exactly. If guys like Dunn were easy to get, we would of had one before Dunn. The Blues left side has been deep but weak. Now its finally looking to be a strength with NHL talent and prospect depth. The Blues have enough futures to get forward help without dipping into the "core" roster. Hypothetical or not, the trade one step forward, 2 steps back. As good as ROR is, he plays like Stastny did....more of the same

Edmundson - Petro
JBow/Gunnarsson - Parayko
Walman/Mikkola - Schmaltz/Bortuzzo

Trading Dunn would mean that the Blues are 100% confident in Walman or Mikkola becoming NHL'ers by mid-season, and that they'd be comfortable with Schmaltz & Bortuzzo playing the off-side until that happens. I can't see the Blues trading Dunn without another kid ready to backfill his roster-spot...but if you can significantly improve the forward group, maybe a small step back in the immediate term on defense isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

[Dbrownss]

Because Stastny 1.0 was traded to Winnipeg and the Blue are very much in the market for a Top-6 C.



Edmundson - Petro
JBow/Gunnarsson - Parayko
Walman/Mikkola - Schmaltz/Bortuzzo

Trading Dunn would mean that the Blues are 100% confident in Walman or Mikkola becoming NHL'ers by mid-season, and that they'd be comfortable with Schmaltz & Bortuzzo playing the off-side until that happens. I can't see the Blues trading Dunn without another kid ready to backfill his roster-spot...but if you can significantly improve the forward group, maybe a small step back in the immediate term on defense isn't the worst thing in the world.

Yes, I'm aware the Blues are in the market for a top 6 center, we've seen the 2 way center set up isnt enough to push the roster.


Again, your not significantly improving the forward group with ROR over what Stastny brought. I would almost say with 100% confidence the Blues aren't that confident in those 2 making a meaningful impact next year. That defense just looks awful. Your removing alot of mobility and offense.

 

[Celtic Note]

Yes, I'm aware the Blues are in the market for a top 6 center, we've seen the 2 way center set up isnt enough to push the roster.


Again, your not significantly improving the forward group with ROR over what Stastny brought. I would almost say with 100% confidence the Blues aren't that confident in those 2 making a meaningful impact next year. That defense just looks awful. Your removing alot of mobility and offense.

ROR is a lot better player than Stastny in his time here.

And, with Schenn, we wouldn’t exactly be rolling two two-way centers like Stastny and Backes. I would say a Schenn and ROR setup would be quite a bit more dynamic offensively, while being a slight bit worse defensively as a tandem.


None of this means I want to trade Dunn.

 

[Dbrownss]

ROR is a lot better player than Stastny in his time here.

And, with Schenn, we wouldn’t exactly be rolling two two-way centers like Stastny and Backes. I would say a Schenn and ROR setup would be quite a bit more dynamic offensively, while being a slight bit worse defensively as a tandem.


None of this means I want to trade Dunn.

ROR is a 60pt guy, Stastny was pretty much that if he could of played 82. He also works the puck the same way Stastny did. Below the hashmarks and cycle, at least from what I remember in Colorado and the 2 games a year I watch Buffalo. He's the same style player. This wouldn't be some massive boost in offense.

 

[David Dennison]

Because Stastny 1.0 was traded to Winnipeg and the Blue are very much in the market for a Top-6 C.



Edmundson - Petro
JBow/Gunnarsson - Parayko
Walman/Mikkola - Schmaltz/Bortuzzo

Trading Dunn would mean that the Blues are 100% confident in Walman or Mikkola becoming NHL'ers by mid-season, and that they'd be comfortable with Schmaltz & Bortuzzo playing the off-side until that happens. I can't see the Blues trading Dunn without another kid ready to backfill his roster-spot...but if you can significantly improve the forward group, maybe a small step back in the immediate term on defense isn't the worst thing in the world.

IMO the biggest question in moving Dunn would be if you think Schmaltz can take over his PP responsibilities. I'm still not sold on Parayko as a great PP guy so you need another defneder besides Petro who can play some minutes on there.

 

[BlueDream]

IMO the biggest question in moving Dunn would be if you think Schmaltz can take over his PP responsibilities. I'm still not sold on Parayko as a great PP guy so you need another defneder besides Petro who can play some minutes on there.

I don't understand why we don't try out Edmundson there. He has a pretty good shot. I'd have Dunn-Parayko on the point on one unit, and Edmundson-Pietrangelo on the other. Or if he doesn't cut it then yeah we can put Schmaltz with Petro. This way we don't have to use Steen there - he can stay up front as part of the rotation there.

Those units would have to be successful.

 

[Dbrownss]

IMO the biggest question in moving Dunn would be if you think Schmaltz can take over his PP responsibilities. I'm still not sold on Parayko as a great PP guy so you need another defneder besides Petro who can play some minutes on there.

Parayko needs to be a trigger on the PP, not a QB. He doesn't move the puck quick enough to be that guy. Dunn and Petro are the best we have at dynamic puck movement