Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays fire manager Montoyo, Schneider takes over

[ShaneFalco]

Austin Martin will always be a car

 

[canucksfan]

I really liked the drafting of Martin but he's been a dud.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[canucksfan]

 

[dredeye]

That’s a real who’s who or hall of fame pitching right there

 

[dredeye]

I really liked the drafting of Martin but he's been a dud.

So has Berrios this year. Except one is paid a boatload of money. Hoping our piece finds his way back to being good

 

[TGB]

Somebody should tell Vladdy

I did, but apparently pointing out flaws in a local celebrity's swing hurt everyone's feelings.

And Groshans has his career best batting average and on base percentage (minors and high school) as a 22 year old in AAA who has missed a lot of development time since drafted (injury and loss of 2020)

According to this guy, Martin isn’t on the list;

Glad the A's were happy to take Smith over Groshans. He has plenty of time to find his power stroke, and given how Chapman and Gurriel are playing, in a couple years he'll slot in nicely in left or 3rd or wherever we need him.

 

[trellaine201]

so much for the Angels. I actually thought this was the year and what Mike Trout deserves but looks like there in a tailspin.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Zulueta 5 IP, 5 K's, 1 hit, 1 BB, 0 runs

Tiedemann goes for the C's tomorrow

 

[canucksfan]

Zulueta 5 IP, 5 K's, 1 hit, 1 BB, 0 runs

Tiedemann goes for the C's tomorrow

I wonder if we will see Zulueta with the Jays later in the year. He's 24 and could be a good bullpen addition.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I wonder if we will see Zuluet with the Jays later in the year. He's 24 and could be a good bullpen addition.

I don't see it. I think they view him as a starter long term, and if they start his 40 man clock you're essentially committing to burning 2 option years to do that as he's not going to be a MLB starter by the start of 2024. They also have Pearson, Juenger, Hernandez, and even Eisert and maybe Palmer who I think they'd go to ahead of him. Perhaps even Frasso as well depending on how they view him long term. IIRC when he was drafted the feeling was more pen arm who could move quickly. Of course if they really believe in him as a starter as well you can ditch that idea right away for the same reasons but even more pronounced as he's in A ball not high A(though I think he and Santos get promoted soon with Robberse moving up to AA)

 

[canucksfan]

I don't see it. I think they view him as a starter long term, and if they start his 40 man clock you're essentially committing to burning 2 option years to do that as he's not going to be a MLB starter by the start of 2024. They also have Pearson, Juenger, Hernandez, and even Eisert and maybe Palmer who I think they'd go to ahead of him. Perhaps even Frasso as well depending on how they view him long term. IIRC when he was drafted the feeling was more pen arm who could move quickly. Of course if they really believe in him as a starter as well you can ditch that idea right away for the same reasons but even more pronounced as he's in A ball not high A(though I think he and Santos get promoted soon with Robberse moving up to AA)

Add to the fact management doesn't rush younger players it's very doubtful.

I just thought with his age he might be an option.

 

[canucksfan]

I'm thinking two of the Twins' unvaccinated players are Sanchez and Urshella. One of the reasons the Yanks got rid of them.

 

[Puckstuff]

I did, but apparently pointing out flaws in a local celebrity's swing hurt everyone's feelings.



Glad the A's were happy to take Smith over Groshans. He has plenty of time to find his power stroke, and given how Chapman and Gurriel are playing, in a couple years he'll slot in nicely in left or 3rd or wherever we need him.

Morris has looked very good as well. .324 avg, .448 obp, .941 ops. He should probably be considered a top 10 prospect soon.

Groshans, Tanner Morris, Orelvis Martinez is some ridiculous prospect talent for the left side of the infield. Jays infield is stacked.

 

[TGB]

Morris has looked very good as well. .324 avg, .448 obp, .941 ops. He should probably be considered a top 10 prospect soon.

Huh. I must have missed him, although I don't have access to my usual resources.

We really need to start thinking about moving some of these guys for depth we need elsewhere. The infield is pretty much set at this point. And Martinez really needs to start hitting better. All power guys don't tend to do much in the majors.

 

[Discoverer]

I don't see it. I think they view him as a starter long term, and if they start his 40 man clock you're essentially committing to burning 2 option years to do that as he's not going to be a MLB starter by the start of 2024. They also have Pearson, Juenger, Hernandez, and even Eisert and maybe Palmer who I think they'd go to ahead of him. Perhaps even Frasso as well depending on how they view him long term. IIRC when he was drafted the feeling was more pen arm who could move quickly. Of course if they really believe in him as a starter as well you can ditch that idea right away for the same reasons but even more pronounced as he's in A ball not high A(though I think he and Santos get promoted soon with Robberse moving up to AA)

Zulueta is in A+. He made 3 starts with Dunedin before moving up (remember that Vancouver leapfrogged Dunedin to A+ when they became a full-season team).

I wouldn't be that surprised to see him at some point this year, but I agree the fact he's starting might complicate it a bit. Even then, he's probably at least in New Hampshire by the end of the year and a legitimate candidate for a roster spot next year.

 

[Eyedea]

Zulueta is in A+. He made 3 starts with Dunedin before moving up (remember that Vancouver leapfrogged Dunedin to A+ when they became a full-season team).

I wouldn't be that surprised to see him at some point this year, but I agree the fact he's starting might complicate it a bit. Even then, he's probably at least in New Hampshire by the end of the year and a legitimate candidate for a roster spot next year.

I believe he was referring to Frasso being in A ball. Also seems like he’s getting some more praise as a starter since FG had good things to say about him and have updated him from a 35+ to a 40+. He’s still a bit behind the curve right now though and should be promoted soon.

 

[TGB]

Not sure if everyone knows about this but I find this site very useful for tracking the day by day game results for all Toronto affiliates. Includes team record and player profiles if you click the player names: Toronto Blue Jays Affiliates

And on that note...there is a guy in the system named Cre Finfrock.

 

[kb]

Morris has looked very good as well. .324 avg, .448 obp, .941 ops. He should probably be considered a top 10 prospect soon.

Groshans, Tanner Morris, Orelvis Martinez is some ridiculous prospect talent for the left side of the infield. Jays infield is stacked.

Yep.

It's absolutely mind blowing that B.A. has dropped Groshans from their top-100 even though he's 22 in Triple A and hitting .350/.449/.874

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Discoverer]

I believe he was referring to Frasso being in A ball. Also seems like he’s getting some more praise as a starter since FG had good things to say about him and have updated him from a 35+ to a 40+. He’s still a bit behind the curve right now though and should be promoted soon.

Ohhhh that makes more sense now that I read his comment again. Carry on!

 

[Bjindaho]

That's their second most productive position player, arguably their 3rd best BP arm, their 6th best, and their worst.

 

[Bjindaho]

That's their second most productive position player, arguably their 3rd best BP arm, their 6th best, and their worst.

Also, Celestino will likely take Kepler's spot since he just cleared COVID protocols, Correa is still out as best we can tell, Ryan appears not ready for TO, and Gray is on the 15 day IL. Paddack is on the 60 day list.

 

[Discoverer]

Also, Celestino will likely take Kepler's spot since he just cleared COVID protocols, Correa is still out as best we can tell, Ryan appears not ready for TO, and Gray is on the 15 day IL. Paddack is on the 60 day list.

This all makes me more nervous about the series, for some reason. Hopefully the team takes advantage and wins at least 2 of 3.

 

[Eyedea]

Huh. I must have missed him, although I don't have access to my usual resources.

We really need to start thinking about moving some of these guys for depth we need elsewhere. The infield is pretty much set at this point. And Martinez really needs to start hitting better. All power guys don't tend to do much in the majors.

Orelvis in April: .188/.224/.516, 1.5% BB, 35.8% K, 92 wRC+
Orelvis since May 1st: .253/.340/.560, 8.7% BB, 25.2% K, 142 wRC+

Remember this is as a 20 year old. Other 20 and under's doing this right now at AA are Ezequiel Tovar, Francisco Alvarez, and Jordan Walker. All are top prospects except Tovar (who should honestly get more praise for adding power to the plus bat and plus defense at SS).

Meanwhile consensus top 10-15 prospect Anthony Volpe as a 21 y/o in the same league: .206/.311/.375, 12.1% BB, 23.7% K, 90 wRC+ (and it's only gotten worse lately).