Blackwood/Vanecek/We Really Need to Move On/Goalie Thread

[My3Sons]

I don't know if it will be a two year deal.

I think something like what Samsonov got from the Leafs, which is $1.5 million for one year.

I wouldn't bet my life on it not being a 2 year deal, but I do seriously doubt it will be.

Who knows? Maybe he replaces Samsonov if they can't afford him this year, because they still have Murray's crippled bone dust for one more year on their books.

To me if you think a guy has some untapped potential and you only give him one year you lose any value. Of the guy is halfway decent you have to pay him immediately and you must see something that gives you faith thr guy has more to give. Look at what Fitz did with Vitek. To me that makes more sense. If someone believes Blackwood is a genuine NHL caliber goalie even as a backup a two year deal for under $2 mil per year makes sense. I don’t see it for Nj but maybe some goalie coach out there can isolate Blackwood’s issues and get him to play well for a full 30 games next year and maybe more than 40 the year after that?

 

[Bleedred]

To me if you think a guy has some untapped potential and you only give him one year you lose any value. Of the guy is halfway decent you have to pay him immediately and you must see something that gives you faith thr guy has more to give. Look at what Fitz did with Vitek. To me that makes more sense. If someone believes Blackwood is a genuine NHL caliber goalie even as a backup a two year deal for under $2 mil per year makes sense. I don’t see it for Nj but maybe some goalie coach out there can isolate Blackwood’s issues and get him to play well for a full 30 games next year and maybe more than 40 the year after that?

I think if he gets a 2 year deal, it will be from a team that isn't expecting to compete or be good next year. Like a San Jose, an Anaheim, Possibly Chicago. They won't have anything to lose by giving him a 2 year deal, as none of those teams could possibly expect to be competing by 2024-2025.

I think if it's a team that expects to be competitive, I don't really see them going more than 1 year.

I could see someone like Lou and the Islanders doing it, if Lou is still the GM. I think the Islanders probably will be bad (not lottery bad, thanks to Sorokin) but if Lou is there he'll try to compete. Maybe he signs Blackwood 2 years with Varlamov's contract up?

 

[MadDevil]

I think if he gets a 2 year deal, it will be from a team that isn't expecting to compete or be good next year. Like a San Jose, an Anaheim, Possibly Chicago. They won't have anything to lose by giving him a 2 year deal, as none of those teams could possibly expect to be competing by 2024-2025.

I think if it's a team that expects to be competitive, I don't really see them going more than 1 year.

I could see someone like Lou and the Islanders doing it, if Lou is still the GM. I think the Islanders probably will be bad (not lottery bad, thanks to Sorokin) but if Lou is there he'll try to compete. Maybe he signs Blackwood 2 years with Varlamov's contract up?

Should I pencil in his shutout against us next year if that happens?

 

[Bleedred]

Should I pencil in his shutout against us next year if that happens?

He’ll probably beat us after allowing 3 goals and Vitek/Schmid/whoever allows 4. Much like the random Cory Schneider start last season against us, which was like the hockey version of when some legend makes a surprise appearance in the royal rumble.

And then we can argue how he’s better and we picked the wrong goalie to keep.

 

[NjDevsRR]

It is now officially the month of Mac

 

[Nubmer6]

Holtz is the prime bait, in my opinion. He'll attract San Jose while not detracting from the Devils future core. If I was Fitzgerald I'd start the bidding with Holtz + Bahl + Blackwood and see where the conversation goes. All three of those guys would immediately play impact roles with the Sharks.

After all the goalies we went through last year, I'd be shocked if Fitz offered up Mac Black.

 

[StevenToddIves]

After all the goalies we went through last year, I'd be shocked if Fitz offered up Mac Black.

Honestly? I think Vanecek has proven himself an NHL-caliber starter, and I think Shmid was on the verge of proving himself an NHL caliber back-up. San Jose is desperate in goal, both now and for the foreseeable future. And I'd rather add Blackwood to the offer than another high end prospect or pick.

 

[JimEIV]

Honestly? I think Vanecek has proven himself an NHL-caliber starter, and I think Shmid was on the verge of proving himself an NHL caliber back-up. San Jose is desperate in goal, both now and for the foreseeable future. And I'd rather add Blackwood to the offer than another high end prospect or pick.

How has a guy that's never had more than 39 starts in a season and 30 starts this season proven he's an NHL starter?

 

[Bleedred]

Honestly? I think Vanecek has proven himself an NHL-caliber starter, and I think Shmid was on the verge of proving himself an NHL caliber back-up. San Jose is desperate in goal, both now and for the foreseeable future. And I'd rather add Blackwood to the offer than another high end prospect or pick.

I would too

But Blackwoods qualifying offer is way too high for literally anybody. Any team that wants him beyond this year just needs to let us not qualify him and they can sign him for probably $1.5 million for one year.

His qualifying offer is something like $3 or $4 million. There seems to be a debate.

He’s making like $4.125 million this season I think? Even though his cap hit is like $2.7 or something.

He’s too much of a liability for anyone to pay that much money for next year, but would generate interest if we just don’t qualify him and they could get him for way cheaper.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

How has a guy that's never had more than 39 starts in a season and 30 starts this season proven he's an NHL starter?

by watching him play goalie for the New Jersey Devils in the 2022-23 season

 

[JimEIV]

by watching him play goalie for the New Jersey Devils in the 2022-23 season

Funny you dismiss Blackwood's first two years out of hand but have a definitive opinion on 30 starts.

Ok.

 

[My3Sons]

It is now officially the month of Mac

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Since coming back from his injury he’s much better than the Vitek and he’s really a .920 goalie.

 

[MadDevil]

How has a guy that's never had more than 39 starts in a season and 30 starts this season proven he's an NHL starter?

Does it matter? I thought goaltending was largely irrelevant and a product of the team?

 

[OmNomNom]

i have a sneaking suspicion we may sell high on macblack

 

[Bleedred]

Funny you dismiss Blackwood's first two years out of hand but have a definitive opinion on 30 starts.

Ok.

Because Blackwood’s last two years have been really bad.

It’s like saying “Well, Fleury is better than almost everybody in the league because look at all those years he was good”, ignoring that extended recent trends would indicate that those prior trends mean nothing anymore.

That said, it’s fair to say Vanecek isn’t a proven starter or to be skeptical he is long term, but he’s certainly played as such this year.

 

[JimEIV]

Does it matter? I thought goaltending was largely irrelevant and a product of the team?

Very true. Any goalie for the Devil's right now is the beneficiary of a team playing well.

At least now you're getting it.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Funny you dismiss Blackwood's first two years out of hand but have a definitive opinion on 30 starts.

Ok.

Blackwood's first 2 years were 4-5 years ago so I don't really know what bearing that has on the 2022-23 season

 

[JimEIV]

Blackwood's first 2 years were 4-5 years ago so I don't really know what bearing that has on the 2022-23 season

And he's pretty much had injury shortened seasons since. The narrative creation is astonishing here.

Edit: I could give a shit about goalies but this notion that Vitek is a starter after 30 starts and a .916 SV%
But McKenzie's 64 starts with a .916 SV% to start his career over his first two years on a horrific team is meaningless is a bunch of stupid bullshit. Numerically speaking.

 

[JimEIV]

Blackwood/Vanecek/We Really Need to Move On/Goalie Thread

Can we just discuss this here? Thanks guys

forums.hfboards.com

Goalie specific talk there, everything else team related here

Who in the world would want to specifically talk about goalies?

 

[NjDevsRR]

I could give a shit

Goes on to give a shit

 

[Forge]

i have a sneaking suspicion we may sell high on macblack

Incoming 3 year extension

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

And he's pretty much had injury shortened seasons since. The narrative creation is astonishing here.

Edit: I could give a shit about goalies but this notion that Vitek is a starter after 30 starts and a .916 SV%
But McKenzie's 64 starts with a .916 SV% to start his career over his first two years on a horrific team is meaningless is a bunch of stupid bullshit. Numerically speaking.

One is happening now and one happened 4-5 years ago. Which is more relevant?

if Blackwood was still a .916 then he would be liked by a lot more people

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point

Dougie has an outside shot at breaking stevens’ single season point record for a dman along with the single season goal record by a dman

Imagine if x2 stevens record and an Elias point record fell this year

more than an outside shot

hes on pace to do it

 

[JimEIV]

One is happening now and one happened 4-5 years ago. Which is more relevant?

if Blackwood was still a .916 then he would be liked by a lot more people

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point



more than an outside shot

hes on pace to do it

More relevant?

The guy that had 32 wins, with a .916 SV% on teams that were some of the worst in in Devils history seems more relevant than a guy with the same SV% on one of the best defensive teams in the league right now...but that's just me.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

and how has Blackwood done the last 3 years?

again, what is even your point? that Blackwood is better than Vanecek? You pick the weirdest fights

 

[JrFischer54]

I’m not saying he’s a legit starter but he’s more than capable backup goalie in limited roles. More than happy to keep him around next year before moving to schmid.