Blackwood/Vanecek/We Really Need to Move On/Goalie Thread

[MadDevil]

More relevant?

The guy that had 32 wins, with a .916 SV% on teams that were some of the worst in in Devils history seems more relevant than a guy with the same SV% on one of the best defensive teams in the league right now...but that's just me.

How is what Blackwood did 3-4 years ago relevant to this season? I'm pretty sure people were higher on Blackwood back then but then he followed that up by not being any good for two seasons. Injury played a part in that but that's also why people don't have faith in him being a starter. It's kind of hard to be a starter when you're injured half the time.

Is your point (assuming you actually have one) that we shouldn't be so quick to anoint the Vitek an NHL starter yet?

 

[JrFischer54]

i have a sneaking suspicion we may sell high on macblack

Yes selling your backup goalie in a playoff race is exactly the recipe for success.

 

[OmNomNom]

Yes selling your backup goalie in a playoff race is exactly the recipe for success.

schmid is not that bad. if someone gives us an overpay?

we should be building for long-term success

 

[JrFischer54]

schmid is not that bad. if someone gives us an overpay?

we should be building for long-term success

Lol the fascination with this board and future assets is really remarkable.

Btw what’s an overpay? That would make you move your backup goalie that is a decent starter again while you are in a legit playoff position.

 

[OmNomNom]

brought this up w @JrFischer54 - if someone overs a massive package for macblack during deadline, do you make the deal? yeah it might not set us up for a deep run, but if the package is right, i'd rather deal him now and build for longer success. his value has gotta be pretty high rn

 

[JrFischer54]

brought this up w @JrFischer54 - if someone overs a massive package for macblack during deadline, do you make the deal? yeah it might not set us up for a deep run, but if the package is right, i'd rather deal him now and build for longer success. his value has gotta be pretty high rn

I still want to know what the overpay is. Say you go through with it. Call schmid up then vitek goes down you’re going to roll into the playoffs with schmid and daws? I’m not one that worries about injuries but I’m sorry I don’t care what the overpay is it’s just an unnecessary risk.

 

[JrFischer54]

Goaltending is the least of this teams issues no reason to make it one of them.

Vitek def earned the starter role this year. Blackwood is a very capable backup.

 

[OmNomNom]

I still want to know what the overpay is. Say you go through with it. Call schmid up then vitek goes down you’re going to roll into the playoffs with schmid and daws? I’m not one that worries about injuries but I’m sorry I don’t care what the overpay is it’s just an unnecessary risk.

everything happening this season is bonus, i'd be happy to be out in 2nd round. what if the overpay included a backup goalie?

again it's all hypothetical, but my point is idt you can say macblack is completely untouchable. if someone wants a starter goalie, he might be an option, depending on the return

 

[MadDevil]

In theory, yes. In reality, I don't see his value being enough to another team where they're going to offer us enough to be worth it. You're talking an at best inconsistent goalie with a history of getting banged up who is also an RFA said team would then have to qualify and/or re-sign.

 

[OmNomNom]

Lol the fascination with this board and future assets is really remarkable.

Btw what’s an overpay? That would make you move your backup goalie that is a decent starter again while you are in a legit playoff position.

i'm not defining it, but if it included an actual backup goalie you have to consider it, he can't be 100% untouchable.

there is no disagreement he's a very capable backup, but i think other teams can see him as more. and all i was trying to say is i have a gut feeling he'll be traded

 

[billingtons ghost]

I think he'd have surprising value if a goalie goes down. If he's in his game he's a 1b, and there aren't too manyb teams around the league that have that.

I was and still am all about moving him if we get a good piece back. Before it was for a veteran goalie. Now I think we see what Schmid can do.

 

[Nubmer6]

Honestly? I think Vanecek has proven himself an NHL-caliber starter, and I think Shmid was on the verge of proving himself an NHL caliber back-up. San Jose is desperate in goal, both now and for the foreseeable future. And I'd rather add Blackwood to the offer than another high end prospect or pick.

Ugh. My comment wasn't meant to start a goalie debate. The only thing I was trying to say was that we've had such bad luck with goalie injuries that I'd be shocked if Fitz traded goalie depth away for the playoffs.

I would LOVE for us to do it, but I just can't see it happening.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Does it matter? I thought goaltending was largely irrelevant and a product of the team?

It is.

It isn't a surprise that Blackwood looks a helluva alot better this year behind an incredibly improved team.

If VV played on last year's team, he wouldn't have been as bad as this other goalies, but we wouldn't be calling him a bona fide #1 goalie, that is for certain. We'd still be hunting for a goalie.

Ugh. My comment wasn't meant to start a goalie debate. The only thing I was trying to say was that we've had such bad luck with goalie injuries that I'd be shocked if Fitz traded goalie depth away for the playoffs.

I would LOVE for us to do it, but I just can't see it happening.

This. I was hoping for a mb29 change of scenery trade beginning back Reimer or equiv, but now I don't see how Fitz runs the Wedgewood risk to trade him without a goalie coming back, and now it's hard to see where we'd actually win that deal.

 

[Nubmer6]

This. I was hoping for a mb29 change of scenery trade beginning back Reimer or equiv, but now I don't see how Fitz runs the Wedgewood risk to trade him without a goalie coming back, and now it's hard to see where we'd actually win that deal.

We'd win the deal if we moved Schmid to backup and neither goalie gets injured the rest of the season... of course that requires a sizeable return for Blackwood.

 

[Nubmer6]

I think he'd have surprising value if a goalie goes down. If he's in his game he's a 1b, and there aren't too manyb teams around the league that have that.

I was and still am all about moving him if we get a good piece back. Before it was for a veteran goalie. Now I think we see what Schmid can do.

If he was the make or break piece to get Meier over here, personally I'd take the risk. I just don't think Fitz would unless we got a goalie in return.

 

[Bleedred]

I’m not saying he’s a legit starter but he’s more than capable backup goalie in limited roles. More than happy to keep him around next year before moving to schmid.

We can’t keep him next year, unless he wants to take a big discount from his qualifying offer. And he can get that money from somebody else, unless he really likes it here.

His qualifying offer is $3-$4 million for next year. Where are we supposed to cut costs to accommodate him? We’re already at the cap this year because we had to give Miles Wood over $3 million.

The qualifying offer is too much and I don’t think many people here besides me are talking about that or are even aware of it at all.

 

[OmNomNom]

We can’t keep him next year, unless he wants to take a big discount from his qualifying offer. And he can get that money from somebody else, unless he really likes it here.

His qualifying offer is $3-$4 million for next year. Where are we supposed to cut costs to accommodate him? We’re already at the cap this year because we had to give Miles Wood over $3 million.

The qualifying offer is too much and I don’t think many people here besides me are talking about that or are even aware of it at all.

whats the rule for QOs? isn't it just whatever his current cap is ($2.8MM)?

 

[Nubmer6]

We can’t keep him next year, unless he wants to take a big discount from his qualifying offer. And he can get that money from somebody else, unless he really likes it here.

His qualifying offer is $3-$4 million for next year. Where are we supposed to cut costs to accommodate him? We’re already at the cap this year because we had to give Miles Wood over $3 million.

The qualifying offer is too much and I don’t think many people here besides me are talking about that or are even aware of it at all.

According to CapFriendly, his qualifying offer is $3,360,000 (120% of his current AAV).

 

[Clam Jensen]

I didn’t read the entire thread but thought it timely per the talk about Vitek proving himself to be a solid starter and the subsequent pushback from the vocal minority: Skaters have no impact on their goaltenders performance

 

[NJDevs26]

i have a sneaking suspicion we may sell high on macblack

This offseason? Possibly. Now? I find that hard to believe unless Blackwood (still) wants out and they try to accommodate him on the sly, but this isn't the NBA where the player generally gets catered to. Unless he's unhappy with being a backup - tough shit if that's the case - it doesn't actually seem like he's in sulkypuss mood this year anyway, especially given he and Vitek are supposedly tight.

Plus they clearly don't want to play Vitek (who's never started more than 40 games) a 60-game schedule plus playoffs and I don't think they want to force Schmid in the backup role long-term this year.

 

[NJDevs26]

Who in the world would want to specifically talk about goalies?

Maybe you weren't here at the specific point in the season where the team thread was inundated with goalie talk and people were begging for a separate thread, and since then you guys STILL post the goalie stuff in the team thread 90% of the time, which renders the goalie thread pointless unless and until the posts get moved. Moving posts is a lot easier on a computer (now) than it is mobile (later in the day).

 

[JrFischer54]

We can’t keep him next year, unless he wants to take a big discount from his qualifying offer. And he can get that money from somebody else, unless he really likes it here.

His qualifying offer is $3-$4 million for next year. Where are we supposed to cut costs to accommodate him? We’re already at the cap this year because we had to give Miles Wood over $3 million.

The qualifying offer is too much and I don’t think many people here besides me are talking about that or are even aware of it at all.

If the team wants him they want make it work. They aren’t going to let him walk over the 3-4 million that much I can tell you. I think he’s a fine backup but I’ll be honest I don’t know what the market price is for average backup goalies in the nhl is it less than 3-4 million?

 

[My3Sons]

This offseason? Possibly. Now? I find that hard to believe unless Blackwood (still) wants out and they try to accommodate him on the sly, but this isn't the NBA where the player generally gets catered to. Unless he's unhappy with being a backup - tough shit if that's the case - it doesn't actually seem like he's in sulkypuss mood this year anyway, especially given he and Vitek are supposedly tight.

Plus they clearly don't want to play Vitek (who's never started more than 40 games) a 60-game schedule plus playoffs and I don't think they want to force Schmid in the backup role long-term this year.

If the team sees Blackwood as unreliable they could get a veteran goalie to backup and move Blackwood if the return warranted it but my guess is the juice wouldn’t be worth the squeeze.

 

[HBK27]

Woo - so how about that game last night by MacBlack?!?!? .971 SV% with some massive saves.

 

[Blackjack]

Guys MacBlack isn’t returning a big package at the deadline and 110 point playoff teams don’t trade their 1b goalie going into the playoffs. It just doesn’t happen.