Why the high price? Blackwood #20.
Last season was worse.
We are def. buying at the peak price, but he is playing well. Great form.
GEORGE:
George is the second last.. In the whole NHL.
BASED ON THIS: we didn't just upgrade small, we upgraded HUGE.
Confirmed with Link: Blackwood traded to Colorado
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Why the high price? Blackwood #20.
Last season was worse.
We are def. buying at the peak price, but he is playing well. Great form.
GEORGE:
George is the second last.. In the whole NHL.
BASED ON THIS: we didn't just upgrade small, we upgraded HUGE.
we were always going to take a hit for that 4giev salary/contract. It is what it is. we jus had to get rid...
Me, shimmying home after seeing The News on my phone:
Not a CMac fan what so ever but I recognize it's not easy to move on from 2 goalies who everyone knows are bad In the same season!
But he has accomplished that.
Of course, he should have never got himself into such poor position in the 1st place (which is why I think he is a poor GM....), but he has managed to recover. At a time where he has the boat anchor of a maxed out cap tied around his neck.
But he has accomplished that.
Of course, he should have never got himself into such poor position in the 1st place (which is why I think he is a poor GM....), but he has managed to recover. At a time where he has the boat anchor of a maxed out cap tied around his neck.
After this trade the Avs need two bottom 6 (third line forwards). And a bottom pairing Dman.
Before this trade the Avs needed two bottom 6 (third line forwards). And a bottom pairing Dman. And a starting goalie.
I see this as an absolute win.
Gumballhead
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He walked past me at a bar in LA carrying a martini and that wasn't even the weirdest part of that night.
LOFIN
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I agree. They should have made the move during offseason. Now he had to pay a high price to fix things up.
Colorado bug hit him already.
Freaky Styley
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I don't love it from an asset management perspective. The two moves together boil down to:
Georgieve
Annunen
Kovalenko
2nd
6th
For
Blackwood
Wedgewood
G. Smith
which at least one of those positions could have been filled by signing Lankinen in the offseason and waiving Annunen - if he gets picked up, at least you still have your 6th. Plus, Lankinen playing steady doesn't put the Georgiev deal in such an act of desperation, and you can probably still pull of the Blackwood deal without Kovalenko,
I know people are saying Kovalenko isn't a big loss, and maybe not for this season or next, but he's young, cheap depth with upside that can really come in handy when injuries hit. Having G. Smith or Wagner on the depth chart when healthy is not good.
That being said, it's an improvement both on the ice and in the room. I think the vibe change alone from Annunen -> Wedgewood and subtracting Georgiev is going to spark this team mentally. I think often analytics folks and fans alike really underestimate the power of group dynamics when building a successful team. I bet Mikko was holding out on his extension until Georgiev was moved
All in all, I think it's a net positive. I just think losing Kovy is going to hurt more in the long run than people might want to admit and if CMac was a little more proactive he could have saved some valuable assets.
The biggest thing for me is despite his inconsistency and injury history, Blackwood has the ability to steal games. Georgiev hasn't had that ability since his first season here. It was pure garbage or acceptable goaltending, he was never going to be the sole reason we won a game, and that's something any contender needs.
Georgieve
Annunen
Kovalenko
2nd
6th
For
Blackwood
Wedgewood
G. Smith
which at least one of those positions could have been filled by signing Lankinen in the offseason and waiving Annunen - if he gets picked up, at least you still have your 6th. Plus, Lankinen playing steady doesn't put the Georgiev deal in such an act of desperation, and you can probably still pull of the Blackwood deal without Kovalenko,
I know people are saying Kovalenko isn't a big loss, and maybe not for this season or next, but he's young, cheap depth with upside that can really come in handy when injuries hit. Having G. Smith or Wagner on the depth chart when healthy is not good.
That being said, it's an improvement both on the ice and in the room. I think the vibe change alone from Annunen -> Wedgewood and subtracting Georgiev is going to spark this team mentally. I think often analytics folks and fans alike really underestimate the power of group dynamics when building a successful team. I bet Mikko was holding out on his extension until Georgiev was moved
All in all, I think it's a net positive. I just think losing Kovy is going to hurt more in the long run than people might want to admit and if CMac was a little more proactive he could have saved some valuable assets.
The biggest thing for me is despite his inconsistency and injury history, Blackwood has the ability to steal games. Georgiev hasn't had that ability since his first season here. It was pure garbage or acceptable goaltending, he was never going to be the sole reason we won a game, and that's something any contender needs.
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That's my biggest fear, some goalies are like that and we kinda need the opposite.
The Avs don't allow a ton of shots/chances but when they do they are usually great scoring chances.
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Come back and shop in San Jose! Ceci, Ferraro, or, if you're truly desperate, the corpse of Jan Rutta.
Seriously though, just came to stay Blackwood has been even better than his .911 save percentage. He's only had maybe two bad games this year. Most recent bad game was Ottawa- 4 goals on 11 shots.
*First goal 2v1 where he denied the pass, it went of a sens skate and bounced at a 45 degree angle into the net.
*Second goal, 2v1 after turnover high on PP. Kind of a soft shot, but he may have been screened and had to move across his crease.
*Third blast from the point (after a high turnover)- may have been screened went five hole. Probably saveable.
*Fourth was on an unstoppable shot pass to the slot tipped top corner
Avs would have won that game 6-4 (or gotten the puck out on the 4th goal and won a coach-friendly 4-3). The one other rough game was when we ran into WPG who just annihilated the Sharks from start to finish. Beyond those two, he's had two games under .850 (won both- 43 combined shots) while having six over .940.
In 17 starts, his '3rd worst' start is probably giving up 5 goals on 40 shots and dragging the Sharks to OT. Here's the WPG game which other than Ottawa was the worst. I chalk this up to poor D, but he Blackwood have been better: Confirmed with Link: - Blackwood traded to Colorado
Something tells me Georgiev's worst games are far worse. I think he's going to be huge for Colorado, and had a 1st been included it may very well end up looking fair.
Blackwood has looked far better than we had Hill, and I'd argue Hill had the better team (albeit less fun!). Blackwood is also younger. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being your starter for 3-4 years.
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Gumballhead
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I wonder if they have next contract already on table for Blackwood?
The price was high, so why not sign him now?
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Yeah. And there’s more to it than comparing save % and claiming it’s a lateral move. There’s a very strong chance that Georgiev has lost the room. If Bednar and McFarland keep forcing Georgiev, then Bednar and McFarland risk losing the room. This isn’t a magic bullet. No one is claiming Blackwood is Hasek. But is he better than Georgiev? Will the team play for him? If the answer to both is yes, it’s a small price to pay.
Top guys are logging heavy minutes because they’re playing from behind or can’t trust the G with a lead.
In 2022, the Avs didn’t pick until the 6th round and no one cared. The years with this core are more precious than these draft picks.
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Hopefully it works out great for both teams. Hoping Kovalenko finds a solid role there and runs with it. Also, with you drafting our second, it actually has a chance of producing a player!
Gumballhead
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That's better than a broken bat single and getting on base via error.
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Sounds like a bit of a call out on Georgiev’s temper and not getting along with teammates (like the stories from being in NY and Mikko saying he’d kill him).
It was a steep price to move him but I feel like it’s going to help with the locker room
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Which tells me, regardless of actual ability, they were brought in to cancel the f***ing tumor George was.
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forsbergavs32
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That man is gonna get his Woods confused so damn often now
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Here's my take. He is one of the Avs best prospects for sure, but that's only because our prospect pool is rated in the bottom 5 in the NHL.
He definitely has some skill in his game and has a decent motor, and if you squint, maybe you can make a case that once the NHL game on the smaller ice surface slows down for him, he will be more consistent at chipping in offensively.
He doesn't have the prototypical build of a modern NHL bottom sixer, so if he hits, he would probably slot in as a second line winger or winger on a more offensively oriented third line.
For a team who will have many highly touted prospects coming through the pipeline, it might be hard for Kovalenko to get ice time at the kind of spots in the lineup where he could best perform if ice time gets allocated to younger prospects with a perceived higher ceiling.
Gumballhead
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Well I've already accidentally clicked on the Wedgewood trade thread once today and gotten confused by the line of replies until I realized which thread I was in. This will not be easy, this will be hard. Wood.
