Value of: Blackwood to Edmonton (this off season)

[Seachd]

Blackwood and Smith for Bouchard and Skinner

Personally, I wouldn’t trade Bouchard alone for those two, let alone add Skinner.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Oh we have issues cause we wouldn’t do a terrible trade for a goalie? Good to know.

Yea blackwood has done so much for new jersey lol.

Did either of you guys read what I wrote at all? I clearly said not that they should accept this trade specifically. That means they shouldn’t accept this exact deal, but should be willing to pay a price for a better goalie and they aren’t.. and that’s why they have goalie issues

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Did either of you guys read what I wrote at all? I clearly said not that they should accept this trade specifically. That means they shouldn’t accept this exact deal, but should be willing to pay a price for a better goalie and they aren’t.. and that’s why they have goalie issues

That’s not true though. We went after Markstrom in UFA he chose Calgary. Holland tabled a similar offer for Kuemper they went Colorado’s offer. We inquired on Varlamov he said he wouldn’t waive for Edmonton and same with Fleury.

Saying Edmonton won’t pay for a goalie in a post in direct response to a bad value offer for us in a thread with many Oiler posters saying we’d be interested in Blackwood is disingenuous at best.

You responded directly to a response on Puljujarvi for Blackwood with see this is why Edmonton won’t get a goalie and instantly backpedaled in the same post. You’re all over the place in that post. Now claiming we can’t read or something. We see what you were doing clear as day.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

That’s not true though. We went after Markstrom in UFA he chose Calgary. Holland tabled a similar offer for Kuemper they went Colorado’s offer. We inquired on Varmalov he said he wouldn’t waive for Edmonton and same with Fleury.

Saying Edmonton won’t pay for a goalie in a post in direct response to a bad value offer for us in a thread with many Oiler posters saying we’d be interested in Blackwood is disingenuous at best.

You responded directly to a response on Puljujarvi for Blackwood with see this is why Edmonton won’t get a goalie and instantly backpedaled in the same post. You’re all over the place in that post. Now claiming we can’t read or something. We see what you were doing clear as day.

My comment on the Oilers not being willing to pay for goalie was clearly not about the offer, but about the response. I attempted to make this even more clear by saying not that they should accept this offer.

The reason the Oilers continue to look for a goalie is they aren't willing to pay for one.
He tabled a similar offer for Kuemper, obviously not as good or they'd have taken it
He got outbid on Markstrom who was pretty clearly looking for the biggest money

And now they have a shot a young starting goalie but they aren't willing to part with Pulujarvi, a 1st, Bouchard or Broberg in any way to get one.

The Oilers and their fans think teams will give them a starter for spare parts and late round picks and are shocked when the once again miss out on a goalie.

I say all this as a Devil fan living 2 hours away from Edmonton, so I follow this team closely.

 

[ManofSteel55]

My comment on the Oilers not being willing to pay for goalie was clearly not about the offer, but about the response. I attempted to make this even more clear by saying not that they should accept this offer.

The reason the Oilers continue to look for a goalie is they aren't willing to pay for one.
He tabled a similar offer for Kuemper, obviously not as good or they'd have taken it
He got outbid on Markstrom who was pretty clearly looking for the biggest money

And now they have a shot a young starting goalie but they aren't willing to part with Pulujarvi, a 1st, Bouchard or Broberg in any way to get one.

The Oilers and their fans think teams will give them a starter for spare parts and late round picks and are shocked when the once again miss out on a goalie.

I say all this as a Devil fan living 2 hours away from Edmonton, so I follow this team closely.

I don't think comparing Blackwood to Kuemper or Markstrom is really fair here. Both of those guys have a longer history of #1 caliber play, and neither of them is recovering from an injury at the moment (which is somewhat suprising in Kuemper's case), and those things could really affect whether other teams consider him a #1 or a reclamation project with #1 potential. Either way, I see your point, and Holland's desperation may lead to New Jersey winning another trade with Edmonton, ha ha.

Bouchard won't be involved though. His value is not comparable to the other pieces listed IMO.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I don't think comparing Blackwood to Kuemper or Markstrom is really fair here. Both of those guys have a longer history of #1 caliber play, and neither of them is recovering from an injury at the moment (which is somewhat suprising in Kuemper's case), and those things could really affect whether other teams consider him a #1 or a reclamation project with #1 potential. Either way, I see your point, and Holland's desperation may lead to New Jersey winning another trade with Edmonton, ha ha.

I don't even think they'd have to lose the trade, Blackwood and Wood for Puljujarvi, Kassian or another cap dump and a lottery protected 1st
Assuming the Devils find another goalie somewhere else.

And I wasn't comparing them to Blackwood, that was just about other goalies they've missed out on

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Blackwood vs poolparty

How does a guy with a .902 and an .894 the last two seasons have anything approaching Puljujarvi's value?

 

[Eggtimer]

Reimer to Devils for Holtz.

Then Blackwood to EDM for ???

Oh god no. Think Meier type return instead of Remier .Devils don’t move Holtz unless massive overpay. Right shot sniper is exactly what the Devils need . No way they move him.
Back to the Oilers / Blackwood
Blackwood
Zacha
Ty Smith
pick

for
Jesse

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I don't even think they'd have to lose the trade, Blackwood and Wood for Puljujarvi, Kassian or another cap dump and a lottery protected 1st
Assuming the Devils find another goalie somewhere else.

And I wasn't comparing them to Blackwood, that was just about other goalies they've missed out on

That's a pretty sizeable overpayment. I don't think Blackwood and Wood together (post injury) are worth Puljujarvi and while Kassian blows I wouldn't throw away a first just to get rid of him.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Blackwood and Smith for Bouchard and Skinner

This thread is going to give me an aneurysm.

I'll just say no thanks so I don't get in trouble.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Oh god no. Think Meier instead of Remier .

Yea I'd be willing to give you both Reimer and Timo for stuff (probably because I don't believe in Timo), but that will be a blockbuster that probably won't happen. But reuniting Timo with Nico on the Devils would be nice.

 

[Mr Positive]

My comment on the Oilers not being willing to pay for goalie was clearly not about the offer, but about the response. I attempted to make this even more clear by saying not that they should accept this offer.

The reason the Oilers continue to look for a goalie is they aren't willing to pay for one.
He tabled a similar offer for Kuemper, obviously not as good or they'd have taken it
He got outbid on Markstrom who was pretty clearly looking for the biggest money

And now they have a shot a young starting goalie but they aren't willing to part with Pulujarvi, a 1st, Bouchard or Broberg in any way to get one.

The Oilers and their fans think teams will give them a starter for spare parts and late round picks and are shocked when the once again miss out on a goalie.

I say all this as a Devil fan living 2 hours away from Edmonton, so I follow this team closely.

this is so true. I've been harping on this forever. Our org doesn't care enough about goaltending to invest in it, whether it be cap space, trade assets, draft capital, or giving opportunities. The fans see this and understand that goaltending is a problem, but ultimately they don't want to pay anything for goaltending either. It's at least a majority faction that feels this way.

I would hesitate a bit about giving prime assets like those for Blackwood, as his star has fallen a bit, just as Puljujarvi has had a couple seasons where he has regained his form and is fulfilling potential. Even in an expanded deal to get the value right, the important parts are those two pieces. Even then, I do think that perhaps our organization is going to have to pick between Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, so having either has a base for a deal for Blackwood isn't that offensive to me.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

My comment on the Oilers not being willing to pay for goalie was clearly not about the offer, but about the response. I attempted to make this even more clear by saying not that they should accept this offer.

The reason the Oilers continue to look for a goalie is they aren't willing to pay for one.
He tabled a similar offer for Kuemper, obviously not as good or they'd have taken it
He got outbid on Markstrom who was pretty clearly looking for the biggest money

And now they have a shot a young starting goalie but they aren't willing to part with Pulujarvi, a 1st, Bouchard or Broberg in any way to get one.

The Oilers and their fans think teams will give them a starter for spare parts and late round picks and are shocked when the once again miss out on a goalie.

I say all this as a Devil fan living 2 hours away from Edmonton, so I follow this team closely.

Edmonton is a win-now team. Puljujarvi and Bouchard are guys helping us win now, our 1RW and 1RD respectively. They're both very young and contributing extremely well. They're probably not available at all, but they're absolutely not on the table for a struggling goalie posting Joonas Korpisalo numbers.

Broberg is a Holland draft pick and he pinches his pennies like Scrooge McDuck that way. Fans might trade him, but Holland never would.

I agree that a 1st rounder or a guy like Xavier Bourgault should be available in the right deal, but Blackwood isn't that guy. As a fanbase, we'd pay reclamation project prices for reclamation project players and I feel like Blackwood is more reclamation project than bonafide starter at this point. If we have to think about whether he'd even be an upgrade on Mikko Koskinen, that's a pretty good sign that we're going to be a ways off in valuation.

 

[My3Sons]

Like most players in this situation, Blackwood will help himself if he plays well to open next season and NJ can send him out at that point. A medium to low second and a B prospect does nothing for NJ. Presumably they add a goalie and hope that Bernier returns healthy and can play in a reduced role. At that point you send out Blackwood for whatever return NJ deems best. StL didn't move Tarasenko after botching multiple shoulder surgeries in an allegedly irredeemable situation. Look at it now. This likely goes the same way.

 

[Mr Positive]

Like most players in this situation, Blackwood will help himself if he plays well to open next season and NJ can send him out at that point. A medium to low second and a B prospect does nothing for NJ. Presumably they add a goalie and hope that Bernier returns healthy and can play in a reduced role. At that point you send out Blackwood for whatever return NJ deems best. StL didn't move Tarasenko after botching multiple shoulder surgeries in an allegedly irredeemable situation. Look at it now. This likely goes the same way.

The big difference between the Tarasenko situation and the Blackwood one is the cap hit. Tarasenko's larger cap hit was well earned, but if he doesn't play or is a question mark as to his quality, it's just too much risk. Heck, even Seattle didn't take him for free, so it was not a question about trade value.

That isn't an issue with Blackwood. A lot of teams would take on his risk at his low cap hit (although I see his salary is really high next year, which might be a deal breaker for some teams)

 

[belair]

Like most players in this situation, Blackwood will help himself if he plays well to open next season and NJ can send him out at that point. A medium to low second and a B prospect does nothing for NJ. Presumably they add a goalie and hope that Bernier returns healthy and can play in a reduced role. At that point you send out Blackwood for whatever return NJ deems best. StL didn't move Tarasenko after botching multiple shoulder surgeries in an allegedly irredeemable situation. Look at it now. This likely goes the same way.

Tarasenko is also an all-star forward who was an established 30-goal guy playing in the pinnacle of his career. Blackwood is a fringe starter coming off of two consecutive poor statistical campaigns and he's apparently at odds with the organization. He's also a goalie, so the spots are limited.

The way I see it is if New Jersey’s done with him, they cut ties immediately. There's a very active goalie market in the summer. They put their target on a Husso or a Kuemper and run with either paired with Bernier next season. Blackwood may net a modest return, but I wouldn't expect much.

 

[AfroThunder396]

FYI, despite his initial skepticism Blackwood is indeed vaccinated. He waited until October to get his first shot.

Blackwood on His Decision to Get Vaccinated | BLOG | New Jersey Devils

Last week, Mackenzie Blackwood started the vaccination process and is expected to be fully vaccinated before the team's December trip to Winnipeg

www.nhl.com

 

[My3Sons]

Tarasenko is also an all-star forward who was an established 30-goal guy playing in the pinnacle of his career. Blackwood is a fringe starter coming off of two consecutive poor statistical campaigns and he's apparently at odds with the organization. He's also a goalie, so the spots are limited.

The way I see it is if New Jersey’s done with him, they cut ties immediately. There's a very active goalie market in the summer. They put their target on a Husso or a Kuemper and run with either paired with Bernier next season. Blackwood may net a modest return, but I wouldn't expect much.

As others have noted, that only makes sense after NJ sorts out its goaltending alternatives. If Blackwood opens the season with NJ and gets off to a good start they can move him for something decent. Not earth shattering but at least a solid roster player or close to NHL prospect. Right now, I'm guessing they'd get at most a second round pick. For that return I'd rather they try to keep him and hope he turns it around and they repair their relationship.

 

[McFlash97]

yes the Oilers need another average goaltender

Blackwood should not be on the Oilers radar when Skinner is already here.

Find a better replacement for Smith or Koskinen

 

[Sweetpotato]

Reimer to Devils for Holtz.

Then Blackwood to EDM for ???

You either vastly overrate Reimers value or vastly underrate Holtz' value. Blue chip prospects don't get moved for good but not great goalies.

Would you move Eklund for Reimer? Not a chance.

 

[sens13]

lol. typical oilers fan. please give me your decent player for my crap.

Just curious what do oiler fans think the cost will be? because it's for sure not going to be a late pick or garbage prospect. Yes blackwood has struggled lately but he has shown potential of being a #1g and is only 25. if he was this cheap every team would be taking a shot at him

 

[belair]

As others have noted, that only makes sense after NJ sorts out its goaltending alternatives. If Blackwood opens the season with NJ and gets off to a good start they can move him for something decent. Not earth shattering but at least a solid roster player or close to NHL prospect. Right now, I'm guessing they'd get at most a second round pick. For that return I'd rather they try to keep him and hope he turns it around and they repair their relationship.

What is there to sort out? They need to find a goaltender to split starts with Bernier. Are they in the market for a starter or aren't they?

If they are in the market for a big fish in the offseason, Blackwood is gonzo.

 

[My3Sons]

What is there to sort out? They need to find a goaltender to split starts with Bernier. Are they in the market for a starter or aren't they?

If they are in the market for a big fish in the offseason, Blackwood is gonzo.

If Blackwood is gonzo you’d expect them to sign the big fish before they send Blackwood out. That’s the sorting out they have to do. Orherwise they might end up with the same goalies they have right now if they strike out on the other goalies they might be interested in after the move Blackwood out.

 

[bucks_oil]

Did either of you guys read what I wrote at all? I clearly said not that they should accept this trade specifically. That means they shouldn’t accept this exact deal, but should be willing to pay a price for a better goalie and they aren’t.. and that’s why they have goalie issues

Your post was contradictory or illogical (you pick).

On the one hand you weren't advocating that we should accept that (lopsided) deal.

On the other hand, you provided a backhanded jab that we aren't willing to pay enough.

If the proposed deal isn't fair, and we reject it, how does it follow that we aren't willing to pay market rate for a goalie? It doesn't.

Fact is we offered market rate for Markstrom, he just chose to sign elsewhere.

 

[AfroThunder396]

If you trade Blackwood without getting a goalie back in the deal, you're gambling hard on being able to get the guy you want later via trade or free agency.

Seeing how many other teams that are out there who currently need goalies, I don't think that's a great bet. If you get burned, you head into next season with Bernier coming off major season-ending surgery as your #1 and 20 year old Nico Daws as #2, which means you're right back to where you are now.