Proposal: Blackwood for Gibson (as a basis)?

[Smitty426]

Why does he get the praise? There has to be a legit reason.

As a Devils fan I know why I would praise Blackwood. When he first took over as the starter, his play behind one of the leakiest defenses in the league was phenomenal. He was huge in net. And before Covid last year he was along the same line. And this year, he did good for a bit after returning from the heel injury...before slamming into a brick wall. I would give him another chance to play healthy and without the damage Covid did to the team.

Serious question, how would you praise Gibson? I haven't seen him play more than 10 games so I don't know. But keep in mind, the bad defense claim will hold little weight around Devils fans...I doubt Anaheim could have possibly been worse!

Agree on all of this but what about the rumors of Devs and he wanna split? Not sure what to read into it, but hes worth little right now. Would want to get his game up before giving him away. If he does not want to be here, bye!

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not seeing much in the way of praise for Blackwood.
I just find it ammusing that even with Blackwood having better stats on an equally bad team, he's trash and only worth a 3rd but Gibson is an elite goalie worth multiple 1st plus Blackwood

Well, again, as an impartial party, Blackwood's track record is much shorter, he's having issues with his team apparently, and he's recovering from an injury, so I don't know if he has much value.

Gibson's contract, NTC, and performance the last few years likely has him in the same boat though. Not sure what's happened to him, he was really good a few years ago. Teams might try Gibson out because he used to be so good. They might want to try out Blackwood because at one time he was considered a very good "goalie of the future", and his contract is easy to trade for on a "let's try him out and see" basis, where Gibson is the guy, whether he rebounds or not.

Both seem like their value is pretty low to be honest.

 

[Unknown Caller]

As a neutral party (whose team slaughtered Gibson last night), Gibson didn't look like Gibson of old. Ducks fans, is he burnt out? Overplayed? Unable to cover for a bad team? Or is he actually regressing right now. I know Gibson asked for a trade a year ago, or was rumoured to at least, is he so unhappy that it is affecting his play?

I mean, if the Ducks are needing to dump Gibson because he has given up, I anticipate that there will be interested teams, but given the Gibson contract, it might take a big contract going back to Anaheim to convince them to move him. I know I'd still be interested as an Oilers fan, but I'd need to move out salary, and if he's really in reclamation territory, I'm not sure how many actual assets of value that a rebuilding team would want (picks and prospects) would be offered.

Gibson sucks. He's been below average by any analytical basis for years on end. Add that to the fact that he's signed at $6.5M for another five (!) seasons, and anyone who thinks a 1st round pick or high end prospect need to be added to a deal are completely out to lunch.

Most teams shouldn't be touching this guy for free and you have people in this thread evaluating him on name brand alone. Just insane.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Well, again, as an impartial party, Blackwood's track record is much shorter, he's having issues with his team apparently, and he's recovering from an injury, so I don't know if he has much value.

Gibson's contract, NTC, and performance the last few years likely has him in the same boat though. Not sure what's happened to him, he was really good a few years ago. Teams might try Gibson out because he used to be so good. They might want to try out Blackwood because at one time he was considered a very good "goalie of the future", and his contract is easy to trade for on a "let's try him out and see" basis, where Gibson is the guy, whether he rebounds or not.

Both seem like their value is pretty low to be honest.

I don't mean it imply that Blackwood has a whole lot of value, I just think Gibson and his declining stats for the last 3 years plus his inflated contract don't have near the value people here think he does.
If these two were traded for each other I think the Devils add but nothing close to a 1st and Holtz.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Gibson sucks. He's been below average by any analytical basis for years on end. Add that to the fact that he's signed at $6.5M for another five (!) seasons, and anyone who thinks a 1st round pick or high end prospect need to be added to a deal are completely out to lunch.

Most teams shouldn't be touching this guy for free and you have people in this thread evaluating him on name brand alone. Just insane.

I'm going to need more evidence than JFresh to be conclusive here. JFresh's charts aren't reliable for me. He has tons of charts out there that show players in bad situations as being worse than they are. They are especially bad for defensemen and goalies. I'm not saying Gibson is great, his numbers have been bad since the Ducks have been bad, I'm just saying that JFresh sucks.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I don't mean it imply that Blackwood has a whole lot of value, I just think Gibson and his declining stats for the last 3 years plus his inflated contract don't have near the value people here think he does.
If these two were traded for each other I think the Devils add but nothing close to a 1st and Holtz.

The most the Devils should be adding is something like a 2nd or Nolan Foote/Chase Stillman. But given their age, contract status and production, Blackwood for Gibson is probably just a bad trade for the Devils straight up.

If it was strictly based on production/contract and the name "Gibson" was redacted, nobody would do this deal. It's just psychological value at this point.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I'm going to need more evidence than JFresh to be conclusive here. JFresh's charts aren't reliable for me. He has tons of charts out there that show players in bad situations as being worse than they are. They are especially bad for defensemen and goalies. I'm not saying Gibson is great, his numbers have been bad since the Ducks have been bad, I'm just saying that JFresh sucks.

You just said yourself that his regular baseline counting stats suck too in addition to his analytics sucking from any reliable source. Instead of asking for even more evidence that he sucks, why don't you produce any evidence that he's even decent other than his name being John Gibson?

And that's not even accounting for his market value compared to his contract.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You just said yourself that his regular baseline counting stats suck too in addition to his analytics sucking from any reliable source. Instead of asking for even more evidence that he sucks, why don't you produce any evidence that he's even decent other than his name being John Gibson?

And that's not even accounting for his market value compared to his contract.

I'm not saying he's good. I've asked Ducks fans who have watched more of him than I (and likely you) to give their accounts of what they feel is going on with him as at one time he was a near elite goalie. "Gibson suck, look at these charts" is a fair opinion to have, but it doesn't address what I was asking in my post in the least. How many games have you watched Gibson play in this year? If the answer isn't significantly more than I have watched him play in so far, then I don't think you have the answer to the question I asked.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

As a neutral party (whose team slaughtered Gibson last night), Gibson didn't look like Gibson of old. Ducks fans, is he burnt out? Overplayed? Unable to cover for a bad team? Or is he actually regressing right now. I know Gibson asked for a trade a year ago, or was rumoured to at least, is he so unhappy that it is affecting his play?

I mean, if the Ducks are needing to dump Gibson because he has given up, I anticipate that there will be interested teams, but given the Gibson contract, it might take a big contract going back to Anaheim to convince them to move him. I know I'd still be interested as an Oilers fan, but I'd need to move out salary, and if he's really in reclamation territory, I'm not sure how many actual assets of value that a rebuilding team would want (picks and prospects) would be offered.

Well first half of the year he was likely in the vezina conversation…. But I think he’s def gotten burned out and overworked the last 3 years, lost motivation as the team around him has just gotten worse and worse, wants to play meaningful games but those arnt going to happen in Anaheim during this time frame… I think he def wants out.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

You just said yourself that his regular baseline counting stats suck too in addition to his analytics sucking from any reliable source. Instead of asking for even more evidence that he sucks, why don't you produce any evidence that he's even decent other than his name being John Gibson?

And that's not even accounting for his market value compared to his contract.

I mean he was literally a top 5 goalie in the league up until all star break, then the wheels fell off , I don’t think trade deadline talks help him mentally, as he is ultra competitive and wants to be in the playoff race/big games and Anaheim basically threw the white flag up right after the all star game

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'm not saying he's good. I've asked Ducks fans who have watched more of him than I (and likely you) to give their accounts of what they feel is going on with him as at one time he was a near elite goalie. "Gibson suck, look at these charts" is a fair opinion to have, but it doesn't address what I was asking in my post in the least. How many games have you watched Gibson play in this year? If the answer isn't significantly more than I have watched him play in so far, then I don't think you have the answer to the question I asked.

Most duck fans think he’s great and will be great when we move him, which is why a lot don’t want to move him.

Me personally I just think we’re 2-3 years out, dostal looks promising and we can move him if we can get solid assets… team just needs to start fresh and Gibson isn’t going to want to stick around with the rosters we will ice

 

[lwvs84]

As a neutral party (whose team slaughtered Gibson last night), Gibson didn't look like Gibson of old. Ducks fans, is he burnt out? Overplayed? Unable to cover for a bad team? Or is he actually regressing right now. I know Gibson asked for a trade a year ago, or was rumoured to at least, is he so unhappy that it is affecting his play?

I mean, if the Ducks are needing to dump Gibson because he has given up, I anticipate that there will be interested teams, but given the Gibson contract, it might take a big contract going back to Anaheim to convince them to move him. I know I'd still be interested as an Oilers fan, but I'd need to move out salary, and if he's really in reclamation territory, I'm not sure how many actual assets of value that a rebuilding team would want (picks and prospects) would be offered.

He's pretty much playing for nothing on a team that leaves him on his own too much. Look at the defense in front of him: Fowler (#2/3), Drysdale (currently #4/5), everyone else is a #6 at best. Half the top 6 forwards have cleared waivers in the last year, there are no top line forwards on the team if Terry is out (Z will be, but still probably a #2 C), and they're probably one of only 2 or 3 teams that doesn't have a true star player (even if they're not good defensive players, star players tend to play more in the other zone). Also, as an Oiler fan, you should know what kind of coach Eakins is.

Gibson likes to win, if you watch him the first couple months of the season, it's very different from when he gets burned out. When the team in front of him can't play offense or defense, he gets disinterested and the goals against go up and save % go down. Ducks desperately need high picks, but having Gibson has made it so the Ducks have only had 1 top 5 pick.

 

[Jerkbait]

Thats fair, dually noted for the future

Common sense and hockey logic can go long way....

 

[OilerTitanFan]

As a neutral party (whose team slaughtered Gibson last night), Gibson didn't look like Gibson of old. Ducks fans, is he burnt out? Overplayed? Unable to cover for a bad team? Or is he actually regressing right now. I know Gibson asked for a trade a year ago, or was rumoured to at least, is he so unhappy that it is affecting his play?

I mean, if the Ducks are needing to dump Gibson because he has given up, I anticipate that there will be interested teams, but given the Gibson contract, it might take a big contract going back to Anaheim to convince them to move him. I know I'd still be interested as an Oilers fan, but I'd need to move out salary, and if he's really in reclamation territory, I'm not sure how many actual assets of value that a rebuilding team would want (picks and prospects) would be offered.

I want the oilers to get Gibson so they will see how good koskinen is compared to all these hasbeens names that the oiler fans have been throwing out there. Gibson is worse than Smith and skinner.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I want the oilers to get Gibson so they will see how good koskinen is compared to all these hasbeens names that the oiler fans have been throwing out there. Gibson is worse than Smith and skinner.

No he isn't. Gibson played really well for the first half of the season, when the Ducks were playing respectable hockey. They traded 2 of their 3 decent defensemen, and the team has fallen apart now, including Gibson. I don't know how good he still is, but he isn't worse than Smith or Skinner, and you should be embarrassed that you said it.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I want the oilers to get Gibson so they will see how good koskinen is compared to all these hasbeens names that the oiler fans have been throwing out there. Gibson is worse than Smith and skinner.

If the oilers did get Gibson... you would prob have a different reaction after year 1 or 2.

 

[Andre Palot]

We certainly need a goaltender.

It is not the human form of pyrite known as John Gibson

 

[Zippy316]

Gibson + Comtois for Blackwood + Zacha seems like it could also be quite interesting for both sides. Maybe an extra piece to balance out the deals.

I’m really intrigued as to the decision making that goes into goaltending from a GM standpoint. Seems like the position is so fickle that is has to rely incredibly heavy on pro scouting which obvious differs immensely from person to person.

How do Ducks fans feel about Gibson? For Blackwood, you can trace a lot of his poor play to specific instances and injuries. He also hasn’t gotten the goaltending support he clearly needs and Fitzgerald has been targeting the last two years. Has Gibson fallen off a bit or is it injuries or what?

 

[Eggtimer]

Gibson + Comtois for Blackwood + Zacha seems like it could also be quite interesting for both sides. Maybe an extra piece to balance out the deals.

I’m really intrigued as to the decision making that goes into goaltending from a GM standpoint. Seems like the position is so fickle that is has to rely incredibly heavy on pro scouting which obvious differs immensely from person to person.

How do Ducks fans feel about Gibson? For Blackwood, you can trace a lot of his poor play to specific instances and injuries. He also hasn’t gotten the goaltending support he clearly needs and Fitzgerald has been targeting the last two years. Has Gibson fallen off a bit or is it injuries or what?

I posted something simular. Gibson plus Comtois for ???
If the Devils did get Gibson , I hope amd I think his “decline” is more so him gettig burnt out plus essentially not maybe giving it his all 100% balls out effort . I think he is the type where he is very competitive l and when the rest of the team essentially leaves him out to dry , maybe he just somewhat gives up or maybe just thinks “what’s the point “ and his effectiveness sags ?

 

[Zippy316]

I posted something simular. Gibson plus Comtois for ???

Even if something around Gibson for Blackwood doesn’t work out, Comtois for Zacha seems like it could work out.

 

[Naslundforever]

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[OilerTitanFan]

No he isn't. Gibson played really well for the first half of the season, when the Ducks were playing respectable hockey. They traded 2 of their 3 decent defensemen, and the team has fallen apart now, including Gibson. I don't know how good he still is, but he isn't worse than Smith or Skinner, and you should be embarrassed that you said it.

You are relying on past performance which is not a good indicator.

 

[Gliff]

Gibson + Comtois for Blackwood + Zacha seems like it could also be quite interesting for both sides. Maybe an extra piece to balance out the deals.

I’m really intrigued as to the decision making that goes into goaltending from a GM standpoint. Seems like the position is so fickle that is has to rely incredibly heavy on pro scouting which obvious differs immensely from person to person.

How do Ducks fans feel about Gibson? For Blackwood, you can trace a lot of his poor play to specific instances and injuries. He also hasn’t gotten the goaltending support he clearly needs and Fitzgerald has been targeting the last two years. Has Gibson fallen off a bit or is it injuries or what?

Personally, I would rather take a shot that this is just a "sophomore slump" for Comtois then trade him for Zacha.
This is Zacha's 6 fulltime season. We know who he is. The difference between these 2 players is not even close to the difference between these 2 goalies.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I always find it odd when proposals are made for a certain player, yet then the said players worth is torn down in response to fans that wouldn’t want to deal him without a certain net value coming back. Why ask for someone if he’s so bad to begin with?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Would Anaheim and New Jersey fans have any interest in a Blackwood-for-Gibson swap? Extra pieces going either way as needed

The reasoning Id have for Anaheim is they are a year or so behind NJ in the rebuild IMO, and so by the time they are rounding into playoff form you'll probably have Gibson around age 30-31; and thats not old but Blackwood would be a chance for a goalie to grow with them, and he has had a rift with NJ about the way they handled his injury in early 2021

As for NJ they arent much farther in the rebuild as theyre a bottom-7 tram this season with Anaheim, but I think most can see NJ was a case of extremely bad goaltending and injurie woes in net. Theyve scored a lot for such a young team and are bolstering the roster each year with wealthy owners willing to spend, and so a steady starter would likely push them to being a team fighting for a wild card, which is very important for the stud #1 overalls to start seeing (meaningful games in March and April)

As for the exact value Im not too sure, but thats what the discussion is for. This would also be assuming NJ isn't on his modified no-trade list. The only draft pick off-limits for NJ is their 1st this year, which will be top-7. What would make it work for this deal to go through?

Make what you think a fair offer for Gibson is without Blackwood in it. Then put Blackwood in it. There you go, that's a fair offer.