Proposal: Blackwood for Gibson (as a basis)?

[JTToilinginToronto]

Blackwood is absolutely terrible.

Add much more from NJ's side going to Anaheim.

 

[Bleedred]

I'd rather keep Blackwood for next year and just throw him in the garbage at the end of the year if he sucks again. His contract is up.

Gibson is no good anymore. Three straight decline seasons. His save percentage over the last 3 years and 135 games played is .905%.

He was a very injury prone player in his prime (but he was VERY good, one of the best in the league until 2019) and it looks like those injuries have finally caught up to him.

I think it's possible he could resurrect his career in a backup/1b role on for another team, just for the change of scenery, however, his current contract SUCKS and it's got 5 years left? Ouch. I don't understand why he gets the benefit of the doubt and Blackwood doesn't. The only edge Gibson has over Blackwood currently is that his career before this decline was outstanding. While Blackwood was only good for 2 seasons and one of those he was used very sparingly and had to still sit too much because they had to give pity starts to Cory Schneider, who was obviously washed up and badly declining by that point. Blackwood (much like Nedeljkovic) had an extremely mediocre at best AHL career, so I'm skeptical it's only the injuries to Blackwood and that he's simply just not good.

And while I'm on the topic of Schneider, John Gibson looks like the new Schneider. Only difference is his decline began when he was about 4 years younger than Schneider. And he's also got 5 years remaining on his deal 3 years into his decline. Schneider only had 3 years left (but was 32-33 years old by that point) when he was this far into his decline.

Funny enough, Gibson looked to be bouncing back this year. I think he had a .922% save percentage after 32 games into this season and then it was down to near .905% (like his last two years) within another 12 games or so.

The same exact thing happened to Schneider in his second decline season. He was like a .920% for the first 25-30 games (I don't want hockey reference freezing my shit up to go and actually look up the exact number) and then within just 12 or so more starts, he was down to .907% which was right around his .908% from the season before. He didn't get too many games combined over the next two seasons following that, but they were bad. He never recovered.

I give Gibson a higher chance of recovering just based on his age, which is only 29 by the start of next season. NOBODY should be taking on his contract though. If we bump this thread in a few years, I'd be comfortable enough to bet that Gibson's current contract is either eventually bought out or LTIR'd.

 

[lwvs84]

Not saying Devils should trade for Gibson, but for those saying he's done need to look at the team in front of him the last 3 years. 1 top line forward (Terry this season, none the last 2), 1 top pair D (Lindholm who missed significant time the last 2 seasons and was asked to babysit a 19 year old adjusting to the NHL this year), Shattenkirk playing significant minutes, and a coach that's better suited for the AHL than NHL. This team usually has at least 1 period where they have more defensive breakdowns than the other team has in the game.

Gibson never has been or will be a Hasek/Price that'll drag a bottom feeder to the playoffs, but he can make a fringe team a threat in the playoffs and a solid playoff team a contender.

 

[Forge]

Not saying Devils should trade for Gibson, but for those saying he's done need to look at the team in front of him the last 3 years. 1 top line forward (Terry this season, none the last 2), 1 top pair D (Lindholm who missed significant time the last 2 seasons and was asked to babysit a 19 year old adjusting to the NHL this year), Shattenkirk playing significant minutes, and a coach that's better suited for the AHL than NHL. This team usually has at least 1 period where they have more defensive breakdowns than the other team has in the game.

Gibson never has been or will be a Hasek/Price that'll drag a bottom feeder to the playoffs, but he can make a fringe team a threat in the playoffs and a solid playoff team a contender.

3 years ago he played comparably to 39 year old Ryan Miller on his own team. Stolarz has been better than him this year.

That's not a good look for him.

 

[lwvs84]

3 years ago he played comparably to 39 year old Ryan Miller on his own team. Stolarz has been better than him this year.

That's not a good look for him.

I mean sure, if you ignore that Gibson gets more starts (wears down physically and mentally with all the breakdowns in front of him) and the backup gets easier matchups. Who do you think is the harder team to face, Dallas or Arizona without 2 key players? Gibson starts out great every year, like the old Gibson. It's a few months in of his team leaving on his own that his numbers drop. It's easier for backups to focus once every couple weeks.

 

[Rydev]

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Well ok but by that logic that would be like asking for crosby for a 4th as a basis but open to adding something else !!! You generally don't make offers with a basis like this . A 1rst, prospect and blackwood would be a good place to start as a basis

Thats fair, dually noted for the future

 

[Rydev]

Gibson won’t pull those 4 pieces, but he’s also not available for a 1st 2 seasons from now.

What about NJs 2023's first with a top-5 or 10 protection on it?

 

[Just Linda]

I wouldn't trade Gibson for 2 Blackwoods.

 

[McJedi]

Would Anaheim and New Jersey fans have any interest in a Blackwood-for-Gibson swap? Extra pieces going either way as needed

The reasoning Id have for Anaheim is they are a year or so behind NJ in the rebuild IMO, and so by the time they are rounding into playoff form you'll probably have Gibson around age 30-31; and thats not old but Blackwood would be a chance for a goalie to grow with them, and he has had a rift with NJ about the way they handled his injury in early 2021

As for NJ they arent much farther in the rebuild as theyre a bottom-7 tram this season with Anaheim, but I think most can see NJ was a case of extremely bad goaltending and injurie woes in net. Theyve scored a lot for such a young team and are bolstering the roster each year with wealthy owners willing to spend, and so a steady starter would likely push them to being a team fighting for a wild card, which is very important for the stud #1 overalls to start seeing (meaningful games in March and April)

As for the exact value Im not too sure, but thats what the discussion is for. This would also be assuming NJ isn't on his modified no-trade list. The only draft pick off-limits for NJ is their 1st this year, which will be top-7. What would make it work for this deal to go through?

Things going the other way? I sure hope you don’t mean from Anaheim to NJ unless it’s a few really bad long term contracts Anaheim wants to unload on Jersey.

blackwood has been a hot mess this season when not injure. His value is at an all time low.

 

[McJedi]

I’ll be open to this as a NJ fan. But 1st round pick, this year or next is not on the table. If Blackwood is going the other way, NJ wouldn’t need to add much more.

Yes they would. Blackwood sucks. He’s got hardly any value right now. His play has been non NHL caliber this season. At best, he’s a reclamation project and those fetch little in return.

 

[Forge]

Yes they would. Blackwell sucks. He’s got hardly any value right now. His play has been non NHL caliber this season. At best, he’s a reclamation project and those fetch little in return.

He doesn't have much value, but you certainly don't give up a bunch of top of Blackwood to get a mediocre nhl goalie like Gibson is the last couple of years. Especially with that contract.

I mean, the devils can basically get what Gibson is providing with a healthy Blackwood at a much smaller dollar figure and less term. Yes, you're stabilizing the floor of your goalie position with Gibson, but I'm not paying out the wazoo to have a baseline of competency at mediocrity

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

New Jersey will need to add.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Has any player done less to deserve praise on here more than Gibson? I don’t think there are many

 

[Billdo]

Yes they would. Blackwell sucks. He’s got hardly any value right now. His play has been non NHL caliber this season. At best, he’s a reclamation project and those fetch little in return.

Colin?

 

[MakoSlade]

Has any player done less to deserve praise on here more than Gibson? I don’t think there are many

Why does he get the praise? There has to be a legit reason.

As a Devils fan I know why I would praise Blackwood. When he first took over as the starter, his play behind one of the leakiest defenses in the league was phenomenal. He was huge in net. And before Covid last year he was along the same line. And this year, he did good for a bit after returning from the heel injury...before slamming into a brick wall. I would give him another chance to play healthy and without the damage Covid did to the team.

Serious question, how would you praise Gibson? I haven't seen him play more than 10 games so I don't know. But keep in mind, the bad defense claim will hold little weight around Devils fans...I doubt Anaheim could have possibly been worse!

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Why would NJ add to get a goaltender that hasn’t even been average for 3 years and is on a shitty contract? Purely reputation?

 

[McJedi]

He doesn't have much value, but you certainly don't give up a bunch of top of Blackwood to get a mediocre nhl goalie like Gibson is the last couple of years. Especially with that contract.

I mean, the devils can basically get what Gibson is providing with a healthy Blackwood at a much smaller dollar figure and less term. Yes, you're stabilizing the floor of your goalie position with Gibson, but I'm not paying out the wazoo to have a baseline of competency at mediocrity

If some team is trading their starter for a likely back up, and a bad one at that in Blackwood, the trade needs to be centered on the good asset they are getting. Say Holtz.

Otherwise, you just got rid of NHL goalie play for a scrub like Blackwood and you got little to snow for it.

 

[Forge]

If some team is trading their starter for a likely back up, and a bad one at that in Blackwood, the trade needs to be centered on the good asset they are getting. Say Holtz.

Otherwise, you just got rid of NHL goalie play for a scrub like Blackwood and you got little to snow for it.

Gibson has been basically as good as blackwood the last three years. I'll pass on giving up holtz for a more expensive, older version of blackwood.

Gibson just isn't as good as his rep the last three years and I don't want the contract for what has been mediocrity. I'd rather just stick with a younger, cheaper blackwood and hope he figures it out

 

[GreeningOil]

I didnt make a proposal?

I said Blackwood for Gibson as a basis, I never offered anything else. Its not 1-for-1.

Things can be added, thats what Im asking people

As a viewer of 3 Gibson v Oiler games… Gibby sux too

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Both goalies suck. Oilers just slaughtered gibson. Suck for a suck sounds about right. Gibson is falling faster than a meteorite.

 

[Buck Dancer]

I wouldn't trade Gibson for 2 Blackwoods.

That's great because I wouldn't trade 1/2 a Blackwood for Gibson and that horrible deal.

If we're going to get shit goaltending, might as well pay a fraction of the price for another year instead of 5.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Cumulative stats for four goalies over the past three seasons:

Goalie A: 46-46-15, .902 SV%, 2.98 GAA
Goalie B: 45-68-22, .904 SV%, 3.05 GAA
Goalie C: 45-40-15, .906 SV%, 2.97 GAA
Goalie D: 42-35-10, .899 SV%, 3.16 GAA

One of these is Mackenzie Blackwood, one of these is John Gibson, two of of them are mystery goalies. Can you tell who is who?

Spoiler

Gibson is B, Blackwood is C. Goalie A is Carter Hart, Goalie D is Brayden Holtby

 

[ManofSteel55]

Has any player done less to deserve praise on here more than Gibson? I don’t think there are many

Mackenzie Blackwood maybe.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Mackenzie Blackwood maybe.

Not seeing much in the way of praise for Blackwood.
I just find it ammusing that even with Blackwood having better stats on an equally bad team, he's trash and only worth a 3rd but Gibson is an elite goalie worth multiple 1st plus Blackwood

 

[ManofSteel55]

Both goalies suck. Oilers just slaughtered gibson. Suck for a suck sounds about right. Gibson is falling faster than a meteorite.

As a neutral party (whose team slaughtered Gibson last night), Gibson didn't look like Gibson of old. Ducks fans, is he burnt out? Overplayed? Unable to cover for a bad team? Or is he actually regressing right now. I know Gibson asked for a trade a year ago, or was rumoured to at least, is he so unhappy that it is affecting his play?

I mean, if the Ducks are needing to dump Gibson because he has given up, I anticipate that there will be interested teams, but given the Gibson contract, it might take a big contract going back to Anaheim to convince them to move him. I know I'd still be interested as an Oilers fan, but I'd need to move out salary, and if he's really in reclamation territory, I'm not sure how many actual assets of value that a rebuilding team would want (picks and prospects) would be offered.