McKenzie: Blackhawks had/have interest in Yakupov

[massivegoonery]

Nope. I watched plenty of him in Rockford. You must be judging him solely on what you see in international tournaments/pre-season.

Bailing Pokka out is basically Svedberg's full time job in Rockford.

 

[Homesick]

So this means they managed to turn a 1st OA into nothing, and they didn't get a single player from the 2012

It happens once in awhile. Good thing the great Leafs got one from the 10,11,12 drafts

 

[ThatSaid]

Bailing Pokka out is basically Svedberg's full time job in Rockford.

It was unfair of me not to credit Svedberg for his play in Rockford. I guess I just forget about him because I think he's too slow to play in the NHL. But in all fairness, a lot of why that pairing works so well is due to Sveddy.

Still think you're being way too harsh to Pokka. He makes mistakes on occasion, but most young D-men do. You make it sound like Pokka is Clendening or something.

 

[Del Preston]

Filipovic is a dimwit.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Filipovic is a dimwit.

on Eklunds payroll

enough said

 

[Blue Goose]

Yakapov is being floated around while his value is low, and there is really no reason to trade him at that low value. You can afford to keep him around and see if his value goes up. What's the risk of holding him until the deadline?

Because his contract expires at the end of the year and he might get worse, thereby killing any trade value he might have had?

Equating Edmonton's management regime to Chicago's isn't an argument you're going to win. We lost guys because we won Cups. You're thinking about trading around a 1st overall pick for next to nothing because he failed to develop next to all of your other 1st overall picks.

I'll agree that the Buff/Saad trades don't equate to Edmonton's situation, but sometimes you just have to move on.

Serious question: aside from respective draft position, how is Edmonton trading Yakupov right now any different than when the Hawks traded Brandon Pirri for a 3rd/5th? They were very similar players who had approximately four professional seasons under their belt, and each team's management seemed to be aware of what they have. Again - sometimes you just have to move on.

 

[Esq]

Serious question: aside from respective draft position, how is Edmonton trading Yakupov right now any different than when the Hawks traded Brandon Pirri for a 3rd/5th? They were very similar players who had approximately four professional seasons under their belt, and each team's management seemed to be aware of what they have. Again - sometimes you just have to move on.

Yak struggled with a poor team. Pirri struggled with a great team.

 

[ThatSaid]

Because his contract expires at the end of the year and he might get worse, thereby killing any trade value he might have had?



I'll agree that the Buff/Saad trades don't equate to Edmonton's situation, but sometimes you just have to move on.

Serious question: aside from respective draft position, how is Edmonton trading Yakupov right now any different than when the Hawks traded Brandon Pirri for a 3rd/5th? They were very similar players who had approximately four professional seasons under their belt, and each team's management seemed to be aware of what they have. Again - sometimes you just have to move on.

I agree, but is this the time when you want to move on? How does his stock possibly go down? Its not like his play at the NHL level has added anything to his value at this point. His value is derived primarily from the fact that he had the skills to go 1st overall, in albeit a weak draft. That fact isn't going to change.

He looked good next to McDavid before he went down. Yeah, McDavid probably was 90% of that, but that doesn't really matter. There have been plenty of trades made by selling the achievements of a player's linemate.

I think throwing him by McDavid and watching him pile up points until the trade deadline is the only correct move. Any trade made before that is probably not getting the same value.

As for Pirri, he wasn't willing to play the way Q needed him to, so he was called up/sent down perpetually until we parted ways. It was clear he wasn't going to crack the roster. He also didn't have the added value of being a former 1st overall pick. They don't just randomly select players at 1OA, he got selected because he had an elite skillset. I refuse to believe he can't have a good season next to McDavid.

 

[V13]

Not sure i understand why Chicago would trade Teraivainen at 800k only to acquire Yakupov @ 2.5m when both guys have 1 year left on their contract and that Teuvo is arguably the better player.

Am i missing something here ?

 

[Stephen Gionta]

they had to get rid of Bryan Bickell

 

[bestmyfeeling]

Not sure i understand why Chicago would trade Teraivainen at 800k only to acquire Yakupov @ 2.5m when both guys have 1 year left on their contract and that Teuvo is arguably the better player.

Am i missing something here ?

brian bickell

 

[Draiskull]

Not sure i understand why Chicago would trade Teraivainen at 800k only to acquire Yakupov @ 2.5m when both guys have 1 year left on their contract and that Teuvo is arguably the better player.

Am i missing something here ?

Bickell, Brian and his 4M cap hit

 

[V13]

they had to get rid of Bryan Bickell

Ah yes i forgot about that, Thank you sir it make sense now

 

[HOPE]

as much as i like the hawks, i'd hate them to acquire yak cause i feel like he would reborn and i always liked yak! i would hate to see him perform somewhere else than the habs if he could be had for cheap but at the same time we dont have room for him with radulov. would edmonton consider taking desharnais + pick for yak, that way we put shaw on the 3C and roll 3 offensive line?

 

[as15]

Not sure i understand why Chicago would trade Teraivainen at 800k only to acquire Yakupov @ 2.5m when both guys have 1 year left on their contract and that Teuvo is arguably the better player.

Am i missing something here ?

They had to get rid of Bickell. Also, no one expected Forsling to be this far ahead in his development. The Hawks have too many NHL defenseman at this point, some of them quite young, which makes them expendable or else risk having them drop in value.

 

[as15]

as much as i like the hawks, i'd hate them to acquire yak cause i feel like he would reborn and i always liked yak! i would hate to see him perform somewhere else than the habs if he could be had for cheap but at the same time we dont have room for him with radulov. would edmonton consider taking desharnais + pick for yak, that way we put shaw on the 3C and roll 3 offensive line?

Shaw at center does not create an offensive line. He is twice the player coming off of the wing.

 

[V13]

as much as i like the hawks, i'd hate them to acquire yak cause i feel like he would reborn and i always liked yak! i would hate to see him perform somewhere else than the habs if he could be had for cheap but at the same time we dont have room for him with radulov. would edmonton consider taking desharnais + pick for yak, that way we put shaw on the 3C and roll 3 offensive line?

If there is a place where Yak can probably rebound it's in a proven winning environment like Chicago , under Quenneville and with guys who have experience and have seen it all (Kane , Toews , Hossa , Keith etc)

Wouldn't surprise me either if he blossom with the Hawks if he gets traded there

 

[Del Preston]

as much as i like the hawks, i'd hate them to acquire yak cause i feel like he would reborn and i always liked yak! i would hate to see him perform somewhere else than the habs if he could be had for cheap but at the same time we dont have room for him with radulov. would edmonton consider taking desharnais + pick for yak, that way we put shaw on the 3C and roll 3 offensive line?

I doubt it. There's a logjam at forward for the Oilers right now, which is part of the reason why Yakupov might be getting moved. I'd be surprised if another NHL forward is coming back in a trade.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Dimitri Filipovic
✔ ‎@DimFilipovic

Selling low on an asset is what poorly run teams do. Buying low on an asset is what good teams do.

This Yakupov trade rumour checks out.

11:17 AM - 6 Oct 2016


wow great tweet

This is a huge oversimplification, and it rarely works that way in real life.

Did Rundbland who was one of the top D prospects in the league at one point find his form when CHI acquired him? No.

What about Filatov when OTT gave up a 3rd for him.

What about Connolly in Boston?

The idea that EDM is selling low on Yakupov right now hinges on whether you think Yakupov would bounce back if EDM continued to hold on to him. The odds of that happening are pretty low. Especially considering he has a 2.5M qualifying offer, getting ANYTHING OF USE for him right now could be considered selling high vs him walking as a UFA next off season because the Oilers refuse to qualify a player sitting in the press box at 2.5M.

Again, that tweet is a massive oversimplification of the issue. With that said, if CHI can get Yakupov half retained for another young player they've given up on or a late pick, that's a good risk/reward proposition for them to take on. There's a good chance they can end up wasting a pick like they did when they acquired Rundbland who despite getting a few years out of him they seemed afraid to give him any real minutes and eventually mutually terminated his contract.

 

[Geoist]

Not sure i understand why Chicago would trade Teraivainen at 800k only to acquire Yakupov @ 2.5m when both guys have 1 year left on their contract and that Teuvo is arguably the better player.

Am i missing something here ?

Yeah, TT was the bait for Carolina to pick up Bickell's contract.

 

[ThatSaid]

This is a huge oversimplification, and it rarely works that way in real life.

Did Rundbland who was one of the top D prospects in the league at one point find his form when CHI acquired him? No.

What about Filatov when OTT gave up a 3rd for him.

What about Connolly in Boston?

The idea that EDM is selling low on Yakupov right now hinges on whether you think Yakupov would bounce back if EDM continued to hold on to him. The odds of that happening are pretty low. Especially considering he has a 2.5M qualifying offer, getting ANYTHING OF USE for him right now could be considered selling high vs him walking as a UFA next off season because the Oilers refuse to qualify a player sitting in the press box at 2.5M.

Again, that tweet is a massive oversimplification of the issue. With that said, if CHI can get Yakupov half retained for another young player they've given up on or a late pick, that's a good risk/reward proposition for them to take on. There's a good chance they can end up wasting a pick like they did when they acquired Rundbland who despite getting a few years out of him they seemed afraid to give him any real minutes and eventually mutually terminated his contract.

I still think a sharp GM would throw him on with McDavid and see what happens. Didn't he look really good there before McDavid got hurt?

 

[Measles]

This is a huge oversimplification, and it rarely works that way in real life.

Did Rundbland who was one of the top D prospects in the league at one point find his form when CHI acquired him? No.

What about Filatov when OTT gave up a 3rd for him.

What about Connolly in Boston?

The idea that EDM is selling low on Yakupov right now hinges on whether you think Yakupov would bounce back if EDM continued to hold on to him. The odds of that happening are pretty low. Especially considering he has a 2.5M qualifying offer, getting ANYTHING OF USE for him right now could be considered selling high vs him walking as a UFA next off season because the Oilers refuse to qualify a player sitting in the press box at 2.5M.

Again, that tweet is a massive oversimplification of the issue. With that said, if CHI can get Yakupov half retained for another young player they've given up on or a late pick, that's a good risk/reward proposition for them to take on. There's a good chance they can end up wasting a pick like they did when they acquired Rundbland who despite getting a few years out of him they seemed afraid to give him any real minutes and eventually mutually terminated his contract.

This is exactly the correct perspective imo. At this point it is irrelevant what Edm has invested in Yakupov in time, $$$, icetime, ego. All that matters is his current value and his trajectory, both of which are poor in Edm. This is classic "loss aversion" and is an easy trap to fall into in all areas of life. The only thing bad here for the Oilers is optics, and bruised egos. Yak succeeding in Edm is a ship that has long ago left port. They have one season to get any return for him. The new management has made it clear they want to effect a culture change, and cutting bait on baggage from the old regime is an important step.

 

[Kamiccolo]

It happens once in awhile. Good thing the great Leafs got one from the 10,11,12 drafts

2012: Rielly and Brown
2011:Leivo, Sparks
2010: Carrick

All have played games in the NHL. Some are legit good players or have good potential. They also never had the #1 pick in that time.

 

[Seanaconda]

I still think a sharp GM would throw him on with McDavid and see what happens. Didn't he look really good there before McDavid got hurt?

Yeah he had basically the same ppg as Eberle did with mcdavid

 

[ThatSaid]

Don't let me talk you out of wanting to trade him though. I'd be extremely excited to see if Yak could put his career back together here.