McKenzie: Blackhawks had/have interest in Yakupov

[Kshahdoo]

I don't think that's very fair. He's not the smartest player on the ice, but you don't have his kind of junior career if you don't have a good amount of hockey sense.

At any rate, I've always liked and felt kind of bad for the guy. I hope we snap him up and he puts together a nice career. I don't need him to be a superstar, but at 50% retention, if he could put some scoring punch in our bottom six, or even mesh well on either of the top two lines, it probably turns out to be a good trade.

Maybe he'll have a good season and take a small discount to stay around.

Back to then, when Yakupov played in the CHL, there were a lot of discussions, what prospect was good and what was bad. Some people said, that Yakupov was way better, than Tarasenko, and I never agreed with them. To me, Yakupov's qualities became obvious at WJCs. He was totally useless there, unlike guys like Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Panarin, Kucherov.

I mean, his statistics looks more or less ok with 17 points in 14 games, but he only scored 3 goals. I mean, really, a kid whos main quality was a goalscorer, scored 3 goals in 14 games vs other kids. He never was good, when it counted the most, so I didn't believe he'd become anything special. Of course, I never thought his suckage would be so epic.

 

[ThatSaid]

The hawks were terrible for a long time. Sounds like you jumped on the bandwagon around the same time barker got traded

Hah. Not quite buddy, but nice try. I'll talk **** about Dollar Bill all day, but he has nothing to do with the current regime. Nobody on our roster, nor in our front office has any responsibility to answer for the mediocrity of the Hawks.

The fact is, your GM traded away the only player besides McDavid who has performed to the expectations that should be set for someone drafted that highly. He got bad value for him, and now he's about to trade Yakapov while his value is at its lowest.

If you can't separate Stan Bowman/Dale Tallon from Chiarelli, McT, and Tambellini, let me help you. The difference is having 3 Cups vs. having a lottery pick every year.

If you can't separate Joel Quenneville from the 5-6 coaches you've had in the last 10 years, let me help you again. Its three Cups vs. lottery picks.

If anything, the Blackhawks should be a cautionary tale. Look what bad ownership/management can do to even the most proud fanbase, in a real sports town.

 

[Mr Positive]

Again with Edmonton fans trying to compare their terrible regime to the Hawks management team. Just stop, you're going to look bad. You know what else happened the year we traded Barker away? We won the Stanley ****ing Cup.

Its a little different when your player is trying to make in impact on a deep contender than a perennial lottery pick team. You had all the time in the world to develop Yakapov. Instead, you guys decided from an early stage that he was just another lazy Russian, and let him rot in your abysmal bottom 6.

I look forward to more insight from the wonderful player development factory that is Edmonton. Good thing you guys finally got a pick that was impossible to mess up.

you realize you are making my point for me right? The Hawks did all the right things and became a great team, and yet that same team totally ruined one of the best defensive prospects of that time. Again, maybe it's the player's fault, not the team's. That's at least a factor, and it shows that drafting is crapshoot.

 

[ThatSaid]

you realize you are making my point for me right? The Hawks did all the right things and became a great team, and yet that same team totally ruined one of the best defensive prospects of that time. Again, maybe it's the player's fault, not the team's. That's at least a factor, and it shows that drafting is crapshoot.

How did we ruin Barker? He's a clear case of a D-man who relied too heavily on his size in juniors. He didn't really regress, he just never became a solid top-pairing guy. He was a serviceable 2nd pairing guy for a couple of years.

Why don't we forget about high picks for a minute. What draft steals have Edmonton come into with your last few GMs? Who's that guy you got in the 2nd round? Or the 6th? What roster players have you drafted low?

Are you comparing the Hawks rebuild to Edmonton's? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make I guess.

 

[tempest2i]

Hah. Not quite buddy, but nice try. I'll talk **** about Dollar Bill all day, but he has nothing to do with the current regime. Nobody on our roster, nor in our front office has any responsibility to answer for the mediocrity of the Hawks.

The fact is, your GM traded away the only player besides McDavid who has performed to the expectations that should be set for someone drafted that highly. He got bad value for him, and now he's about to trade Yakapov while his value is at its lowest.

If you can't separate Stan Bowman/Dale Tallon from Chiarelli, McT, and Tambellini, let me help you. The difference is having 3 Cups vs. having a lottery pick every year.

If you can't separate Joel Quenneville from the 5-6 coaches you've had in the last 10 years, let me help you again. Its three Cups vs. lottery picks.

If anything, the Blackhawks should be a cautionary tale. Look what bad ownership/management can do to even the most proud fanbase, in a real sports town.

I'm very glad most of the Hawks lottery picks turned out and they dragged your team out of gutter so you can be proud of your franchise again. I hope that if the Oilers do somehow stop being an embarrassment, I'll try to show some more humility towards others because I'll remember what it was like to cheer for an organization that continually failed me year after year.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Yakupov wouldn't last 5 minutes in Chiraq

 

[ThatSaid]

I'm very glad most of the Hawks lottery picks turned out and they dragged your team out of gutter so you can be proud of your franchise again. I hope that if the Oilers do somehow stop being an embarrassment, I'll try to show some more humility towards others because I'll remember what it was like to cheer for an organization that continually failed me year after year.

I save my humility for myself and my family personally. Hockey/sports have always been my outlet for being kind of an *******. Maybe I think not being able to watch home games on T.V. while growing up give me license to lash out now.

But, if you want to avoid being called out for making false equivalencies, don't make them. Give us all the **** you want for how terrible the team was under Dollar Bill. That's very fair, and justified. But trying to draw comparisons between a modern day dynasty vs. a team that has drafted in a lottery position for the last decade, and STILL hasn't made the playoffs... well, that's going to get you laughed at every single time.

 

[Mr Positive]

How did we ruin Barker? He's a clear case of a D-man who relied too heavily on his size in juniors. He didn't really regress, he just never became a solid top-pairing guy. He was a serviceable 2nd pairing guy for a couple of years.

Why don't we forget about high picks for a minute. What draft steals have Edmonton come into with your last few GMs? Who's that guy you got in the 2nd round? Or the 6th? What roster players have you drafted low?

Are you comparing the Hawks rebuild to Edmonton's? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make I guess.

I'm not comparing our rebuilds at all. I'm talking about Nail Yakupov.

Hawks: great team that was managed well

Oilers: bad team that was managed awful


Both had high profile picks that didn't do well. So the idea that of course Yak failed all because of what the Oilers did is not necessarily true. We also have a lot of other players who were here during the worst of the rebuild and were not ruined. Hall was looking great last year and looks good so far with New Jersey. Eberle and RNH are looking like important pieces going forward. Klefbom looks really good.

 

[ThatSaid]

I'm not comparing our rebuilds at all. I'm talking about Nail Yakupov.

Hawks: great team that was managed well

Oilers: bad team that was managed awful


Both had high profile picks that didn't do well. So the idea that of course Yak failed all because of what the Oilers did is not necessarily true. We also have a lot of other players who were here during the worst of the rebuild and were not ruined. Hall was looking great last year and looks good so far with New Jersey. Eberle and RNH are looking like important pieces going forward. Klefbom looks really good.

I just don't think most of those guys hit their potential. Eberle certainly did, Klefbom still could. Hall certainly did, but he was rewarded by being traded for a defensive project.

To me, that's the alarming part. I was sold on Edmonton coming out of this terrible run of bad seasons until I watched Chiarelli sell the only forward not named McDavid capable of carrying a line offensively... for cheap. You're telling me there were no other deals to be made? He couldn't wait and see what prospects were being pushed back to the AHL, and buy low on those guys? I have zero confidence in Chiarelli's ability as a GM.

Any idiot could staple Yak to McDavid's hip for half a season and extract a much better return from his inflated point totals. He even looked good there before McDavid got hurt. But no, he'll probably be traded for next to nothing, if the Hall deal is any indication.

Don't take me too seriously. To me, sports are no fun if everyone agrees and nobody argues. Trash talking is fun, and take it from me, it feels much better when your team comes out of the gutter and you get to throw it in the faces of all the naysayers. That said, you guys were one lottery ball away from NEVER making the playoffs with this roster.

 

[Sweoilers]

How did we ruin Barker? He's a clear case of a D-man who relied too heavily on his size in juniors. He didn't really regress, he just never became a solid top-pairing guy. He was a serviceable 2nd pairing guy for a couple of years.

Why don't we forget about high picks for a minute. What draft steals have Edmonton come into with your last few GMs? Who's that guy you got in the 2nd round? Or the 6th? What roster players have you drafted low?

Are you comparing the Hawks rebuild to Edmonton's? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make I guess.

Brandon Davidson was a late round pick (I think 6th round) but that is about it. Oh yeah Erik Gustafsson in the 4th round, you might know him.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Um.....Cam Barker ruined Cam Barker.

There's many draft picks you can point at, like Kyle Beach, etc. But Cam Barker failures fall only on him and him alone.

 

[KGL]

So Yak requested a trade.

 

[Joel Ward]

So Yak requested a trade.

Last season IIRC.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Last season IIRC.

Chia said Yak never asked for a trade:
(Forward to 1:00)

 

[malkinfan]

Last season IIRC.

Yeah hes wanted out for a long time so WTH is taking? His value is obviously not that high and he doesn't want to be around - simple math what should be the end result.... Poor reflection of management.

 

[McTrashBoat]

Yeah hes wanted out for a long time so WTH is taking? His value is obviously not that high and he doesn't want to be around - simple math what should be the end result.... Poor reflection of management.

Chia can't win here

he's got you saying he's doing a bad job by not trading low, and he's got whoever yesterday being hailed as a genius for saying "Buy low, sell high"

 

[Seachd]

Yeah hes wanted out for a long time so WTH is taking? His value is obviously not that high and he doesn't want to be around - simple math what should be the end result.... Poor reflection of management.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to all the situations like Hamonic, Drouin, Trouba, etc...

But a trade request doesn't mean a guy instantly gets traded. And in no way does that reflect poorly on management.

 

[TLEH]

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to all the situations like Hamonic, Drouin, Trouba, etc...

But a trade request doesn't mean a guy instantly gets traded. And in no way does that reflect poorly on management.

somehow yaks name doesn't compare to those names. Yak would be lucky to get a 3rd. The rest have value that is important for the franchise to get back

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

delete

 

[Seachd]

somehow yaks name doesn't compare to those names. Yak would be lucky to get a 3rd. The rest have value that is important for the franchise to get back

The level of player isn't relevant. In fact, if he's "lucky to get a 3rd", what's the point in trading him?

McKenzie said today the Oilers have been talking to a "bunch" of teams about him. If there are offers, and the Oilers like them, they'll take the best one. This isn't a time-sensitive situation.

 

[48g90a138pts]

I feel if the Oilers never would have made the Gagner for Purcell trade things would have turned out better for Yakupov. Once that trade happened it immediately deregulated Nail to 3rd line winger. It's a pity because Purcell never lived up to the expectations that he was brought in for. If at least a 2nd line position was open for Yak here this situation would never of happened.

If he does get traded he'll succeed and the Oilers will look stupid. He was never put in a situation to succeed here.