McKenzie: Blackhawks had/have interest in Yakupov

[Jared Dunn]

Maybe Rozsival + 2nd for Yakupov with some retention?

 

[rick hawk]

Svedberg just cleared waivers. If Edmonton wanted him they could have just claimed him.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Svedberg just cleared waivers. If Edmonton wanted him they could have just claimed him.

Sounds about right for Yak

 

[Bryanbryoil]

No sane GM is going into a bidding war for Nail Yakupov.

Nail gets table offers of the "take it or leave it" variety and chances are Stan is offering the best package if there's even interest.

If Chia gets TVR, who suddenly becomes the Oilers best second pairing defenseman for Yak, he did good.

But I would bet it's closer to McNeil and Svedberg for Yak and retention.

Ever hear of this guy named Andrei Sekera? TVR would maybe be our 4th best defenseman but sure as hell not our 3rd.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Dredger has no ties to the Oilers and Organiztion does not like him for leaking players names in trade talk such as Eberle and Cogliano. I doubt he knows anything.

This. It wouldn't surprise me if he had heard that someone had offered a 3rd for Yakupov, but not that the Oilers had any interest in that kind of value or piece.

 

[Rebels57]

How did scouts get it so wrong with Yakupov? Or was his development ruined by Edmonton?

I just don't get how a 1st overall can bust so hard nowadays.

 

[Idionym]

How did scouts get it so wrong with Yakupov? Or was his development ruined by Edmonton?

I just don't get how a 1st overall can bust so hard nowadays.

Probably ruined by Edmonton. They're the Browns of the NHL.

 

[Sweetpotato]

How did scouts get it so wrong with Yakupov? Or was his development ruined by Edmonton?

I just don't get how a 1st overall can bust so hard nowadays.

The oilers ruined his development about as well as one could. They made his life terrible and crucified him for things other players often did. They took a creative skilled sniper and instead of nurturing that and teaching him to be responsible they cut his playing time and played him with grinders and AHL fodder turning him into the scapegoat of their failed rebuild.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

How did scouts get it so wrong with Yakupov? Or was his development ruined by Edmonton?

I just don't get how a 1st overall can bust so hard nowadays.

He doesn't have a brain that's his problem.

 

[ThatSaid]

He doesn't have a brain that's his problem.

I don't think that's very fair. He's not the smartest player on the ice, but you don't have his kind of junior career if you don't have a good amount of hockey sense.

At any rate, I've always liked and felt kind of bad for the guy. I hope we snap him up and he puts together a nice career. I don't need him to be a superstar, but at 50% retention, if he could put some scoring punch in our bottom six, or even mesh well on either of the top two lines, it probably turns out to be a good trade.

Maybe he'll have a good season and take a small discount to stay around.

 

[Rawg]

I wrote a big rant about why I think Nail is a bad player, but theres no point trying to argue with some people. I think these stats I posted awhile ago are telling

In 2012-2013s lockout shortened season, Yakupov had 17 goals in 48 games, pretty impressive for a rookie right? That's just staring at the outside stats so lets go a little deeper by removing April from that season. You'll see why

On March 30 2013, with 34 games played Nail Yakupov had 6 goals which is a 0.176 goals/game pace, In an 82 game season that comes out to 14.5 goals.

The 2013-2014 season Nail Yakupov had 11 goals in 63 games, this comes out to 0.175 goals/game pace, or 14.3 goals per season.

The 2014-2015 season Nail Yakupov had 14 goals in 81 games.. a 0.172 goals/game pace, in an 82 game season that comes out to well.. 14 goals..

The 2015-2016 season, Nail Yakupov has 5 goals in 37 games, a 0.135 goals/game pace, which is one pace for 11.1 goals/game.

In April of Nails rookie season, he scored 11 goals in 14 games, a 0.78 goals/game pace, which comes out to 65 goals in an 82 game season

Pretty obvious what the outlier is here, that's what happens when you played with Hall at his best.

The oilers ruined his development about as well as one could. They made his life terrible and crucified him for things other players often did. They took a creative skilled sniper and instead of nurturing that and teaching him to be responsible they cut his playing time and played him with grinders and AHL fodder turning him into the scapegoat of their failed rebuild.

In my opinion Nate this is'nt correct, the only difference between Nail and other players is that those players didn't make as many, or as glaring mistakes. They also actually produced offence. Nail wasn't lowered in the lines due to mistakes alone, he cant score either. If he wasn't drafted 1st overall he wouldn't be in the NHL. He is the worst 1st overall pick in NHL history.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't think that's very fair. He's not the smartest player on the ice, but you don't have his kind of junior career if you don't have a good amount of hockey sense.

At any rate, I've always liked and felt kind of bad for the guy. I hope we snap him up and he puts together a nice career. I don't need him to be a superstar, but at 50% retention, if he could put some scoring punch in our bottom six, or even mesh well on either of the top two lines, it probably turns out to be a good trade.

Maybe he'll have a good season and take a small discount to stay around.

I hope he goes somewhere where he can rebuild his confidence. I think that is the biggest problem. Eakins beat him up so badly that he doesn't know what to do out there anymore, you can tell that he is second guessing himself a lot. The defensive side of the game hasn't come and the offensive side has been whipped out of him. But you can see the skill and the instincts. He just needs to go to a team that will nurture his confidence, help him get back to knowing what he can do, and letting him be the player he should be rather than something he isn't built for.

 

[ManofSteel55]

In my opinion Nate this is'nt correct, the only difference between Nail and other players is that those players didn't make as many, or as glaring mistakes. They also actually produced offence. Nail wasn't lowered in the lines due to mistakes alone, he cant score either. If he wasn't drafted 1st overall he wouldn't be in the NHL. He is the worst 1st overall pick in NHL history.

This isn't true. I've seen enough of Nail over the past few years to see what is going on. He was busted down in the lineup even when he was producing at times. And they matched him up with linemates who weren't going to help him. Imagine if the Blues had decided for no reason to put Brett Hull onto a line with Bob Bassen instead of Craig Janney and Adam Oates. Now Yak isn't nearly the player Hull is, but Hull wouldn't have put up 50+ goal seasons with nobody to set him up either. Players who are put in a position to fail will.

Yakupov scored at decent rates when played with decent set up men, even old man Derek Roy who was waiver fodder. Give Yak a smart center with some offensive skill and his career would look much better to date.

 

[MikeModano9]

He has no defensive or positional awareness at all. Gives up on the play. Stops moving his feet at times. Rushes passes that usually end up on the other teams stick. He has a great shot. Can skate fast. Likes to hit at times. But he hasn't put it all together. I hope if we do move him he figures it out. Always liked his attitude and personality.

 

[ThatSaid]

I remember when people couldn't see why Chicago picked up Panik last year. Even fans on our board seemed really low on the guy, and there wasn't much upside perceived. He went on to play really well, and he's a cheap option on our roster this year.

Would be nice to see Yakapov have a similarly dramatic and fast turnaround here.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Knowing the Hawks, Yak will end up being a 20-30 goal scorer on their top 2 lines.

 

[missinthejets]

I hope he goes somewhere where he can rebuild his confidence. I think that is the biggest problem. Eakins beat him up so badly that he doesn't know what to do out there anymore, you can tell that he is second guessing himself a lot. The defensive side of the game hasn't come and the offensive side has been whipped out of him. But you can see the skill and the instincts. He just needs to go to a team that will nurture his confidence, help him get back to knowing what he can do, and letting him be the player he should be rather than something he isn't built for.

Eakins broke Yakupov there is no question about it. He came in with this idea about Yakupov being a lazy player that needed a hard ass but nothing can be further from the truth. Yakupov is a hard working guy who needs to be built up not broken down. Now he's totally ****ed and can't get any traction and he can't over come it.

 

[tony d]

Be interesting to see if he can turn his career around in Chicago if he goes there.

 

[tempest2i]

The biggest issue with Yak was he never had to learn anything on the defensive side of the game when he was in Junior. Once he got to the NHL, Ralph Krueger identified Yaks defensive issues and proceeded to shelter him like crazy and play him with Horcoff who could still cover for his defensive lapses at that time in his career.

When Eakins took over, he decided it was time to get Yakupov to learn some defensive awareness. This didn't really work. What we have been left with is a player that remembers what he did in junior that made him successful and realizes that everything he has tried to do in the NHL he has failed at.

So you've now got a player that still wants to do the things he used to do in the junior and a series of NHL coaches in Edmonton that just don't trust Nail on the ice. It's a really bad situation for both parties.

I'm not sure what the plan in Chicago is for Nail, but whoever ends up with this player has got to find some way to get him some confidence on the ice.

 

[Mr Positive]

Probably ruined by Edmonton. They're the Browns of the NHL.

or maybe sometimes the onus is on the player, or is Chicago also the Browns of the NHL for ruining Barker?

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Yak played well with Gagner, Roy and McDavid.

He plays horribly with Gordon, Letestu.


Thing about Yakupov is he isn't capable of generating offense alone. He's a complimentary player.

Saddling him with a Center who got 2 goals isn't the best way to get the most mileage out of him.

 

[Rawg]

This isn't true. I've seen enough of Nail over the past few years to see what is going on. He was busted down in the lineup even when he was producing at times. And they matched him up with linemates who weren't going to help him. Imagine if the Blues had decided for no reason to put Brett Hull onto a line with Bob Bassen instead of Craig Janney and Adam Oates. Now Yak isn't nearly the player Hull is, but Hull wouldn't have put up 50+ goal seasons with nobody to set him up either. Players who are put in a position to fail will.

Yakupov scored at decent rates when played with decent set up men, even old man Derek Roy who was waiver fodder. Give Yak a smart center with some offensive skill and his career would look much better to date.

I've watched every single game of Nails career, The reason he played with worse line-mates is because he has never been good enough for the top line or to face higher competition. As shown in my post, throughout his career his goals/season is about 14. One hot month doesn't make Nail a great NHL scorer but 4 years of sub par scoring makes him a bad one.
If the only way Nail can score is to play with Mcdavid, I would rather have Eberle there instead because he is a better player, better goal scorer and better defensively. If that is what Edmonton has to do to raise his trade value Id say go ahead, but if we want to win games that's not the answer. I think a forward picked first overall should be the one carrying his line, not relying on someone else too and that's the difference between nail/hall/Mcdavid and even RNH. They all can while he can't. If you played Hall with 2 pylons he would still score, If you played Mcdavid with nothing he would score. Nail just doesn't have the skill or hockey sense thats expected out of the first overall draftpick.

I try and go through the positives and negatives of his game in my head and if you agree with me or don't please add onto this

Positives:
Hard shot
?
Negatives:
Terrible defensively
No "Hockey sense"
Inaccurate shot

Like when I try and describe him I really only can think that he has a hard, yet inaccurate slap shot and doesn't know where to stand or when to shoot or not. When that's all I can think of a first overall pick Idk, its just bad. I thought of other things like him being gritty as a positive, but also diving/complaining as a negative but didn't think they were worth it

I guess I can accept the line-mates idea in general(I will argue the reason for this though) but I'm just of the opinion that a first overall draft pick shouldn't need to play with Mcdavid to score

 

[tempest2i]

I've watched every single game of Nails career, The reason he played with worse line-mates is because he has never been good enough for the top line or to face higher competition. As shown in my post, throughout his career his goals/season is about 14. One hot month doesn't make Nail a great NHL scorer but 4 years of sub par scoring makes him a bad one.
If the only way Nail can score is to play with Mcdavid, I would rather have Eberle there instead because he is a better player, better goal scorer and better defensively. If that is what Edmonton has to do to raise his trade value Id say go ahead, but if we want to win games that's not the answer. I think a forward picked first overall should be the one carrying his line, not relying on someone else too and that's the difference between nail/hall/Mcdavid and even RNH. They all can while he can't. If you played Hall with 2 pylons he would still score, If you played Mcdavid with nothing he would score. Nail just doesn't have the skill or hockey sense thats expected out of the first overall draftpick.

I try and go through the positives and negatives of his game in my head and if you agree with me or don't please add onto this

Positives:
Hard shot
?
Negatives:
Terrible defensively
No "Hockey sense"
Inaccurate shot

Like when I try and describe him I really only can think that he has a hard, yet inaccurate slap shot and doesn't know where to stand or when to shoot or not. When that's all I can think of a first overall pick Idk, its just bad. I thought of other things like him being gritty as a positive, but also diving/complaining as a negative but didn't think they were worth it

I guess I can accept the line-mates idea in general(I will argue the reason for this though) but I'm just of the opinion that a first overall draft pick shouldn't need to play with Mcdavid to score

Why would you do that do yourself? The Oilers have been terrible for basically that entire period of time.

 

[ThatSaid]

or maybe sometimes the onus is on the player, or is Chicago also the Browns of the NHL for ruining Barker?

Again with Edmonton fans trying to compare their terrible regime to the Hawks management team. Just stop, you're going to look bad. You know what else happened the year we traded Barker away? We won the Stanley ****ing Cup.

Its a little different when your player is trying to make in impact on a deep contender than a perennial lottery pick team. You had all the time in the world to develop Yakapov. Instead, you guys decided from an early stage that he was just another lazy Russian, and let him rot in your abysmal bottom 6.

I look forward to more insight from the wonderful player development factory that is Edmonton. Good thing you guys finally got a pick that was impossible to mess up.

 

[smackdaddy]

Again with Edmonton fans trying to compare their terrible regime to the Hawks management team. Just stop, you're going to look bad. You know what else happened the year we traded Barker away? We won the Stanley ****ing Cup.

Its a little different when your player is trying to make in impact on a deep contender than a perennial lottery pick team. You had all the time in the world to develop Yakapov. Instead, you guys decided from an early stage that he was just another lazy Russian, and let him rot in your abysmal bottom 6.

I look forward to more insight from the wonderful player development factory that is Edmonton. Good thing you guys finally got a pick that was impossible to mess up.

The hawks were terrible for a long time. Sounds like you jumped on the bandwagon around the same time barker got traded