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He who laughs last thinks slowest
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I'd be laughing too if it wasn't MN that made the trade. It's a last minute TDL panic trade.
Dr Jan Itor
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They should be laughing. Guerin has no idea what he's doing. It's a pathetic trade and probably won't be the last.
That thread is 90% Wild fans complaining back and forth, and like 5 other people that seem to like Johansson that just get yelled at for not thinking he's the worst player to ever lace up skates. You're living in your own miserable echo chamber.
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Yeah I'd say a 3rd can be a valuable pick, now wasted. And I don't see what this guy can bring, another bottom six player. I guess Guerin's plan is to put him on Boldy's line...
I don't have a problem trading a 3rd for a rental. As long as it's something that the team needs or at least kind of needs,
This just seems like a Seth Bergenheim trade all over again. 2015 a few days before the TDL with a 3rd going the other way.
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Minnewildsota
He who laughs last thinks slowest
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At least Nyquist still has some wheels , he’s probably somewhat equivalent to zucker or maybe better
I’d imagine , I haven’t seen much of him this year but he’s a speedster and good skater overall.
He'll be well rested, and MN only needs him for 31 or so games (28 in the Playoffs and 3 in the regular season).
That's ok, because Zucker has slowed way down too. Still probably a valid comparison as a result.
Dickie Dunn
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Don’t like the trade but does anybody really expect anything earth shattering?
If you take him for his word, he’s not going into the top prospects to make a trade. The players he’s willing to trade have had terrible years or are bottom 6 guys, hardly any value. Some of the prices being paid for these trades are ridiculous.
The only thing they have going for them is cap room.
Looking at the arms race in the east, you are basically looking to win a round. It’s not fun to see, but going into playoffs with a couple tweaks to the bottom is prolly all that can realistically happen.
Don’t think he is done either. Expecting more of the same.
If you take him for his word, he’s not going into the top prospects to make a trade. The players he’s willing to trade have had terrible years or are bottom 6 guys, hardly any value. Some of the prices being paid for these trades are ridiculous.
The only thing they have going for them is cap room.
Looking at the arms race in the east, you are basically looking to win a round. It’s not fun to see, but going into playoffs with a couple tweaks to the bottom is prolly all that can realistically happen.
Don’t think he is done either. Expecting more of the same.
BagHead
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I'm sorry in advance, this is going to be a well meaning rant. Something has been bugging me for the last couple months- I keep seeing people give all the credit for the Wild's current roster to Fenton and Fletcher. Doing so is somewhat valid, as many current players were drafted by them, but giving them all of the credit ignores the work that Guerin has done since he arrived. Since that day, Guerin has chosen which players stay and which must leave. If a man tends an orchard, does he not get credit for his work because someone else planted the seeds? The seeds he has planted himself simply have not had the time to mature, yet.
What I'm getting at is that the roster turnover from Fenton's '18-19 Wild team to this year's version is quite large. 8 of the Wild's 10 leading scorers from that year are no longer on the team. Out of the 37 guys that played games for the '18-19 Wild, 6 remain (Spurgeon, Greenway, Foligno, Dumba, Brodin, and JEE). If we only want to talk "regular's", instead of all 37 guys, this is the equivalent of keeping your defense unit, but replacing all of the forwards and both goalies. Some of that turnover has been good, and some has been bad, and it was (nearly) all at Guerin's hand.
My point, I guess, is that blame and credit are things that should be shared by all of them, and that reality is more nuanced than "Guerin is only ever bad and I don't like him". I don't like him either, I think he's sort of a prick, but he's done a job.
What I'm getting at is that the roster turnover from Fenton's '18-19 Wild team to this year's version is quite large. 8 of the Wild's 10 leading scorers from that year are no longer on the team. Out of the 37 guys that played games for the '18-19 Wild, 6 remain (Spurgeon, Greenway, Foligno, Dumba, Brodin, and JEE). If we only want to talk "regular's", instead of all 37 guys, this is the equivalent of keeping your defense unit, but replacing all of the forwards and both goalies. Some of that turnover has been good, and some has been bad, and it was (nearly) all at Guerin's hand.
My point, I guess, is that blame and credit are things that should be shared by all of them, and that reality is more nuanced than "Guerin is only ever bad and I don't like him". I don't like him either, I think he's sort of a prick, but he's done a job.
I agree that at this point the roster is basically Guerin's.
He's chosen to mostly make his additions through the draft, and we're still waiting for that to pan out at the NHL level. But choosing who has stayed and who's been sent out is all him at this point, even if he didn't acquire many of these guys.
One thing that does bug me is the way that the media tends to talk about him vs his actual track record. Going by the talking heads you'd think he's the Kool-Aid Man with a chainsaw, and he's more like the Crystal Light Man with a set of tin snips.
