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Management Bill Guerin

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BagHead said:
I appreciate what you're attempting to do with this, but I think this more measures the overall fan sentiment about a team over a period of time, rather than a GM's actual success at building a good team.
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If all you wanna do is measure a GM's actual success:

Did the team win a Cup: A
Did the team not win a Cup: F

Nothing else matters.
 
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BagHead said:
I appreciate what you're attempting to do with this, but I think this more measures the overall fan sentiment about a team over a period of time, rather than a GM's actual success at building a good team.

Imagine having to build a team with a bare prospect pool, no stars, and bad contracts, building that up over multiple years of missing the playoffs, and then getting canned before the team sees success because the owner (or fans) lost patience. You then see the next GM win multiple Cups with your guys that you put together, as he slowly burns it to the ground and turns it back into a non-playoff team. Yet you're the GM with the bad grade. This is an extreme example, I just meant to use it as a very clear model for why I believe your grading system actually measures sentiment rather than success.
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It's not really about the time period of building the team. It's more about the years after the has been "built" and the focus has now shifted to winning, whenever that might occur. I guess I thought that I was specific enough on that but maybe I wasn't. I think to the post-Parise/Suter signings, with the Granlund/Coyle/Zucker/Brodin prospect pool. From then on, how did we do, that is what reflects on Fletcher. Again, probably oversimplified but whatever.
 
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BagHead said:
lol I mean, for a lot of people that's true. I think some people care about other things as well.
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Maybe, but a GM's job is to win the Cup.

Especially when their motto is "it's about f***ing winning".
 
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GordieGallant said:
I give him a solid B as well. I like the guy.
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I ditto the B. And I like him too, he seems pretty straightforward.

I have different mindset than others - BG basically cemented his course when he went for the buyouts and I understand the rationale. It was a hard reset button. Until then, I expect status quo while nurturing the future prospects. But once we hit the 2025-26 season when the dead cap drops alot, I'm going to be alot more critical (which were the whole point of the buyouts).

But so far so good - the prospect pool have become a top 5 group - we just better starting seeing results from them in 2025. Otherwise his grade is drop VERY quickly for me. That is when my job performance review is scheduled :)
 
AKL said:
Maybe, but a GM's job is to win the Cup.

Especially when their motto is "it's about f***ing winning".
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What a ridiculously over simplified way to think.

"but the fires still burn buildings" - Firefighters get an F

"but bad guys still hurt people" - Police get an F

"but people still die" - doctors get an F
 
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P10p said:
What a ridiculously over simplified way to think.

"but the fires still burn buildings" - Firefighters get an F

"but bad guys still hurt people" - Police get an F

"but people still die" - doctors get an F
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Not even remotely equal scenarios but I won't stop you from getting angry.
 
MuckOG said:
So, every season there are 31 GMs you would grade out with an F?
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If you're looking at a "did they win the Cup or not" dichotomy, it would be based on their tenure, not per year. But ultimately every GM is hired with the express intention of building a Cup winner, not getting to the playoffs and losing in the first round.

I believe that in a single year, there are various degrees of success based on expectations for that year. A lot more nuance.

Obviously it should go without saying that Anaheim and Arizona's GM's don't get an F for not winning the Cup this season.
 
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If things go the way i think, it'll be at least 6 years before this team has a chance to go far in the playoffs. That is on Guerin, and will be part of his legacy. It can be partially overcome with a Cup contending run(lets say at least two series wins), in year 6, but if he doesn't get that accomplished, then all his talk is just bluster.

He will be judged even more harshly if he isn't able to re-sign Kaprizov, who is, by far, the best player ever to play in MN.

So far, I have mixed feelings about him. More positive than Fenton, for sure. I do like that he seems not to be mortgaging the long term future like Fletcher did, even though I haven't liked some of his moves.

Things will come to a head depending on how 2025-26 playoff season plays out. Long time to wait, for some of us... part of the reason i am less enthusiastic about watching the team than i have been in the past. I mean, I am getting to the age where it's becoming more than likely that I'll be dead before the Wild win a Cup. I was so spoiled growing up where and when I did, where winning a Cup was expected, and normal.
 
57special said:
If things go the way i think, it'll be at least 6 years before this team has a chance to go far in the playoffs. That is on Guerin, and will be part of his legacy. It can be partially overcome with a Cup contending run(lets say at least two series wins), in year 6, but if he doesn't get that accomplished, then all his talk is just bluster.

He will be judged even more harshly if he isn't able to re-sign Kaprizov, who is, by far, the best player ever to play in MN.

So far, I have mixed feelings about him. More positive than Fenton, for sure. I do like that he seems not to be mortgaging the long term future like Fletcher did, even though I haven't liked some of his moves.

Things will come to a head depending on how 2025-26 playoff season plays out. Long time to wait, for some of us... part of the reason i am less enthusiastic about watching the team than i have been in the past. I mean, I am getting to the age where it's becoming more than likely that I'll be dead before the Wild win a Cup. I was so spoiled growing up where and when I did, where winning a Cup was expected, and normal.
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Edmonton?
 
Guerin needs to be on the hot seat and fired before he ends up turning Minnesota into Buffalo. The only damn reason why he is skating by is he lucked into Kaprizov.
 
thestonedkoala said:
Guerin needs to be on the hot seat and fired before he ends up turning Minnesota into Buffalo. The only damn reason why he is skating by is he lucked into Kaprizov.
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Lucked into Gus as well. I can’t think of a single move he’s made that made any sense at all except maybe Bracket. He’s a dinosaur and an asshole. Evason can be lumped into the same basket. Just pure trash.
 
Quite honestly, he might be the greatest GM we've ever had. I'm thoroughly enjoying some of you freaking the f*** out over this most recent trade.



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f7ben said:
Lucked into Gus as well. I can’t think of a single move he’s made that made any sense at all except maybe Bracket. He’s a dinosaur and an asshole. Evason can be lumped into the same basket. Just pure trash.
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Cole for Pateryn. Dub for a positive return. Zucker trade.
 
Someone needs to slip something in Guerin’s beer before he does any more damage. Let’s have him sleep through the TDL.

I can’t imagine that the locker room is going to be jazzed about getting MJ back.
 
Minnewildsota said:
Quite honestly, he might be the greatest GM we've ever had. I'm thoroughly enjoying some of you freaking the f*** out over this most recent trade.
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Dont think the GM whose entire success has come from the moves from past GMs can be considered our greatest GM ever.

At this point, I think Guerin could trade Kap for a 3rd and you’d find someway to fellate him for the move.
 
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Spurgeon said:
Dont think the GM whose entire success has come from the moves from past GMs can be considered our greatest GM ever.

At this point, I think Guerin could trade Kap for a 3rd and you’d find someway to fellate him for the move.
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Oh yeah? In the same way that you'll chastise him for any moves he makes, or doesn't make?

I've gone on record, and will repeat it, I think he's an average GM. I just find the over reactions so hilarious.
 
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Main board laughing at us about the MJ trade. Just have to hope they're wrong about Guerin.
 
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